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I think this is a good opportunity for PRC to learn shock absorbing. The central government should trivialized the protest. Let those students make noise for a few weeks and let it be a "new normal". Let people get use to it.

India can survive thousands of protest each year, and she has becoming very shock absorbent. Not even civil war, famine or protest can take down state of India. Similarly PRC should learn likewise.

Hundreds of thousands Taiwanese against President Chen Shuibian. Government of Taiwan did not collapse.

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Chen was gone and serving his time now but regardless it is their boss usa who does not want Taiwan to collapse! the boss wants the weaponry trade with Taiwan to continue and prosper!
Get it?8-):coffee::crazy:
 
i SUPPORT yellow ribbon.
Blue ribbon are criminals with weapons.

Meanwhile, a block away from Mongkok protest, a display celebrating 103rd anniversary of Taiwan national day.

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Chen was gone and serving his time now but regardless it is their boss usa who does not want Taiwan to collapse! the boss wants the weaponry trade with Taiwan to continue and prosper!
Get it?8-):coffee::crazy:

If China can collapse due to a protest in a red dot HK, she can only have herself to be blame, for lack of resiliency.

India see thousands of protest each year, her government stand.
 
There are multi dimension factor in HK protest. These are
1) Western fomenting protest
2) HK people rise up against elite
3) HK people want democracy

PRC commenters would rather prefer framed it under western vs China. HK people indeed are not align to PRC values. However, diversity is exactly the strong point of HK. If PRC get rid of all opposing forces in HK, HK will no longer be unique and will be yet another PRC city.

In fact, elements of chaos are inherent in all democratic system. Only N Korea-ism is completely sanitized. The existence of chaos enable democratic countries to be resilient against shock.

PRC looks strong but she is inherently fragile. As we can see, a normal harmless protest common in all western states threaten to diminish the prestige and offer precedence against central government.

India can survive hundreds of thousands of violent protest. State of India will still be there even she screw up big time, fighting civil war, fight terrorist, losing wars, inactions against famine, dieseases and malnutrient...etc Any of these happening in PRC can bring the whole country down.

The structural instability of PRC against shock is what PRC needs to improve on for long term sustainability.

PRC have that mechanism.

But outside mainland, they unable to fight against democracy propaganda.

Even in Taiwan, people are not so convincing about PRC propaganda, and forget about HK young people.


Most Chinese outside mainland, look China as their ancestor land and Chinese civilization, not that funny communism.

But PRC refuse to admit it.

Too arrogant!

HK protest is basically PRC own karma!
 
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Hong Kong authorities accused of hiring thugs after clashes
AFP | Updated: October 13, 2014
(First published on: October 13, 2014 19:38 MYT)



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Pro-democracy demonstrators shout slogans at anti-occupy protesters (not in picture) in the Admiralty district of Hong Kong on October 13, 2014. - AFP PHOTO / Pedro Ugarte

HONG KONG
: Chaos erupted in central Hong Kong Monday as dozens of masked men rushed barricades at the city's main pro-democracy site, sparking renewed accusations that authorities are using hired thugs to disperse demonstrators.

Groups of men, many wearing surgical masks, descended on the front lines of the rally at Admiralty near Hong Kong's central business district, triggering clashes with protesters, just hours after police had moved in to take down some barriers.

Demonstrators, who have come under attack from organised crime gangs known as triads at another flashpoint demonstration site in Mongkok, shouted: "Weapons! Weapons!" and "Arrest the triads" as police struggled to impose order.

Pro-democracy lawmakers rounded on the authorities over the clashes.

"This is one of the tactics used by the communists in mainland China from time to time. They use triads or pro-government mobs to try to attack you so the government will not have to assume responsibility," Democratic Party lawmaker Albert Ho told AFP.

"It seems that the police have duly removed some of the barricades to make way for the suspected triads to get through to the peaceful protesters," Civic Party lawmaker Claudia Mo told AFP.

One lawmaker on the scene of the clashes in Admiralty voiced concern over how the situation had "degenerated".

"From what I can see the police were helping the anti-Occupy actions more than the peaceful protesters," said the Civic Party's Kenneth Chan.

Taxi drivers had also converged on the site with their cars, demanding the barricades be removed and other anti-Occupy groups chanted "Occupy is illegal".

Anti-Occupy protesters mainly dissipated as the afternoon wore on, while pro-democracy demonstrators rebuilt their barricades using everything from bamboo poles to sticky tape.

But as police announced they would soon move to clear more "obstacles" at both the Admiralty site and a secondary site in the shopping hub of Causeway Bay.

"We will not eliminate the possibility of using minimal force or arrest actions," police senior superintendent Hui Chun-tak told reporters.

He said that three men had been arrested, one for assault and two for carrying offensive weapons.

Triad allegations

The demonstrators are calling for Beijing to grant full democracy to the former British colony and have brought parts of Hong Kong to a standstill over the last fortnight, prompting clashes with elements who oppose the blockades and widespread disruption.

Despite repeated orders to disperse, the rallies have taken on an air of permanence, with tents, portable showers and lecture venues.

It was the second time since the mass protests began that authorities had been accused of cooperating with criminal gangs.

In previous clashes at the secondary site of Mongkok 10 days ago, police said eight of the 19 arrested had triad backgrounds.

Furious pro-democracy protesters also accused the authorities of using thugs Monday.

"The government wants Hong Kong people to fight each other, that's how they want to win," protester Angela Li said.

"All the people using violence and causing trouble are paid thugs."

Police said that the clashes were due to "people unlawfully blocking the roads with obstacles".

Earlier Hong Kong's embattled leader Leung Chun-ying had told reporters in the Chinese city of Guangzhou that he wanted the protests to end.

"Under the appropriate situation we hope to allow society to return to normal as quickly as possible," he said on the sidelines of a trade meeting.

Police 'do what they want'

Police took down some peripheral barricades in a dawn operation allowing traffic to pass around the Admiralty site for the first time in two weeks as well as removing several barriers around the Mongkok site.

The overall atmosphere had been calm, but some protesters voiced anger at what they saw as a police swoop.

"The police refuse to communicate with us, they just do what they want," added Wong King-wa, 25.

On Sunday, Chief Executive Leung had said the protesters had "almost zero chance" of changing Beijing's stance and securing free elections.

China announced in August that while Hong Kongers will be able to vote for Leung's successor in 2017, only two or three vetted candidates will be allowed to stand -- an arrangement the protesters dismiss as "fake democracy".

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Students and pro-democracy campaigners have taken to the streets -- sometimes in their tens of thousands -- since last month to call for Beijing to change its position and to demand Leung's resignation.

Talks between student leaders and city officials collapsed last week, deepening the crisis in the semi-autonomous city.

Chinese police detained two Beijing activists who took part in a Hong Kong pro-democracy march, a friend said Monday.

China has in recent weeks held around 40 people on the mainland who had expressed support for the protests in Hong Kong, according to rights groups.

Read more at: Hong Kong authorities accused of hiring thugs after clashes | Astro Awani
 
If China can collapse due to a protest in a red dot HK, she can only have herself to be blame, for lack of resiliency.

India see thousands of protest each year, her government stand.

HK will not collapse because of this. Neither will China!

Do you see any indian protest receive this magnitude of media coverage?
No one cares about India, pathetic!

Mao and Zhou are students leaders as well. Zhou Enlai even murdered innocent women and children.
http://www.republicanchina.org/GuShunzhang-murder-v0.pdf

That was China in a tumultuous period and the accusation on late Premier Zhou is unproven

HK enjoys all freedom except universal suffrage for one man one vote for the CE
It has press freedom, speech freedom, freedom to travel, freedom of everything, a clean and efficient government, good legal and education system, first class infrastructure..pretty measuring up to any developed countries
This "movement" is uncalled for.
If you dont see the reason behind this ridiculous and rat-smelt protest you are confirming you are a fool8-):coffee:
 
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The Yellow ribbons are terrorists.

They are terrorising 99% of the Hong Kong people.

They have gone beyond just being 'protestors'.

Prescisly.
A small gathering of underachived students, religious fanatics, democratic extremists, triads, revellers, street activists, back alley revolutionalists, spies have kept 7 million people under hostage for over 2 weeks.
This is just democratic terrorism at its best. :tdown::angry::stop:
 
PRC have that mechanism.

But outside mainland, they unable to fight against democracy propaganda.

Even in Taiwan, people are not so convincing about PRC propaganda, and forget about HK young people.

Most Chinese outside mainland, look China as their ancestor land and Chinese civilization, not that funny communism.

But PRC refuse to admit it.

Too arrogant!

HK protest is basically PRC own karma!

Taiwan is a democracy according to usa
usa is your boss
These ppl still gathered to protest like they are in hell 8-):sick:

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Tension rise up as pro-democracy protesters clash with masked men who have appeared in the avenue occupied for 15 days near the government siege
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3 persons have been arrested for violence and weapons possession. After Chinese Human rights, 40 persons have been arrested in continetal China for their support for the recent pro-democracy movement
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Policemen dismantling the barrages at Admiralty and Mongkok
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Militias and policement have taken by surprize the protesters
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Restoring traffic to let the governement workers going to their offices in the Admiralty district
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Reinforcing their barrages at Queensway district, after the attack of masked men accused of belonging to the Triad
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Rebuilding the barrages
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Angry Crowd Tries to Storm Hong Kong's Pro-Democracy Protest Zone
Angry Crowd Attacks Occupy Barricades in Hong Kong
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HONG KONG — An angry crowd of people opposed to pro-democracy protests that have paralyzed parts of Hong Kong for more than two weeks tried Monday to charge barricades used by the demonstrators, clashing with police as they attempted to storm the protest zone.

Taxi drivers joined in, some driving their cabs up to the barricades and leaning on their horns to express their anger about the traffic disruptions which have seriously affected their business. The tension later eased as the most of the crowd dispersed. "Before the police came, young men wearing masks and dark clothing came to pick fights with people and we heard that some of them had weapons," said Kevin Ng, a college student who was at the scene saw the scuffles. Demonstrators have flooded the city's streets since Sept. 28 in a civil disobedience movement opposing restrictions on the territory's inaugural 2017 election for its top leader. They want authorities to drop a plan to use a pro-Beijing committee to screen candidates in the election. They also want Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying, the city's Beijing-backed leader, to resign.

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— Ed Flanagan (@edmundflanagan) October 13, 2014

Spoke too soon on quiet admiralty streets. About a dozen taxi drivers have marched back to demand clearing of streetspic.twitter.com/pSIYLnzfRu

-Ed Flanagan (@edmundflanagan) October 13, 2014


- The Associated Press
First published October 13th 2014, 11:05 am
 
Police react as an anti-Occupy protester is held by the police during a confrontation in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.
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A policeman (front R) removes an anti-Occupy Central protester from the main protest site in Admiralty in Hong Kong, October 13, 2014.
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A office worker (2nd L) rushes to join pro-democracy protesters as they attempt to reinforce their barricades, as anti-Occupy Central protesters try to remove the road blocks, in the Central financial district in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.
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An anti-Occupy Central protester (L) holds pliers as he cuts cable ties at barricades setup as road blocks by protesters at Central in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.
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Police try to stop a masked anti-Occupy Central protester as he attempts to remove road blocks set up by pro-democracy protesters in the Central financial district in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.
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Anti-Occupy Central protesters drag a metal fence over a pro-democracy protester at the main protest site in Admiralty in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.
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Police remove barricades erected by pro-democracy protesters at the main protest site in Admiralty in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.
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Pro-democracy protesters stand on a road at the main protest site in Admiralty in Hong Kong October 13, 2014.
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