China Forcibly Separating Thousands Of Children From Families In Xinjiang, Report

[beijingwalker]

We believe after all the debates and discussion, the only that matters the most is still the economy, this single factor beats all others.

The whole fuking world knows and wasnt there was a ban on keeping a fast in all China, maybe the whole world is liar

Is your name the whole world?

No Muslim countries raise Xinjiang issue with China except for Turkey, now Turkey itself says that people in Xinjiang live in a happy and wealthy life. so where is your whole world?

The west media claims that one to three million Uighurs are in concentration camps, Uighur's whole population is 10 million, including the very old, very young, infants, babies and very sick, one to three million makes almost every healthy Uighur adults, if that's true, you won't see any Uighurs in the street in Xinjiang, but recently foreign vlog videos show streets are packed with Uighurs.

Xinjiang has only one city has the urban population over 1 million, that's the capital city Urumqi, one to three million people means logistically impossible, where can China put those one to three million? what about the food, water and electricity? western media just lost their mind.

Xinjiang has 24 million people, working population could be only one third of them, that's roughly 8 million, if you have 3 million are being locked up, one million need to take care of them and do the security job, then you have only 4 million left to work for the economy, how can you explain Xinjiang's double digit economic growth and booming everything you can clearly see on the ground?

 

[Globenim]

China Forcibly Separating Thousands Of Children From Families In Xinjiang, Report

And China is forcing children to read books and do math at school too. A real horror.

Someone needs to liberate those children by bombing their homes.

 

[vi-va]

Another western propaganda article with zero solidity aimed to target gullible Muslims like op(?) across the world.

2 longest pending muslim world issues are Palestine and Kashmir, solve these first just to beg Muslims to approve your sincerity. Else have a middle fingers salute you. @propagandists.

Palestine and Kashmir are part of colonization centuries legacies. The colonists have zero interest to solve it. They are creating more, such as kurds, BLA, ISIS.

China has nothing to do with any of them.

 

[vi-va]

China hasn't seen nothing yet. When you go toe to toe with the white man, they will use all the tricks. They will find every weakness and exploit it. Chinese oppression of Muslims will negatively impact OBOR, as the US and it's western allies exploit the sentiments of Muslim populations, the sentiments the leadership class ignore for Yen. It only takes a tiny violent minority to make OBOR projects unsuccessful.

Right now we see sustained media campaigns, the information in the western press will be regularly printed in the press in Muslim nations, you'll see groups paid to oppose China/OBOR vocally criticising it. In Western markets/countries this will be HK, in Muslim nations it will be Uighurs.

Eventually they'll fund terrorism against OBOR projects, hoping to make it politicall unattractive for the governments of those nations. Once they see that they'll sweep in with alternative promises of investment in exchange for rollback or OBOR projects.

You guys aren't as familiar with the European as we are. They're the perfect war machine.

Hey, Bro. I totally agree with you on all your points and great analysis. Just a tiny issue, we are aware of all those dirty tricks as well, but China didn't talk much about it.

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" -Michael Corleone, The Godfather, Part II

We had wars with below countries on Korea peninsula. China fought with West especially US on Taiwan issues for 70 years. We never ignore their tricks for the sake of our survival.

I hope every Pakistanis can be as wise as you.

United States
United Kingdom
Canada
Turkey
Australia
Philippines
New Zealand
Thailand
Ethiopia
Greece
France
Colombia
Belgium
South Africa
Netherlands
Luxembourg
South Korea

Trump is shutting down western aid for Palestinians both directly from USA and indirectly by withdrawing from numerous UN programs, for which USA has always been main donor. They stop real aid getting through for development while allowing a trickle of cosmetic improvements and mostly lip service - even that is stopping now. USA has no sincerity in its assistance for Palestinian people and in fact aims to fulfil biblical prophecies of the evangelists by covertly and overtly supporting Israel. Any suggestions that USA assists Palestinian people is laughable.

And yes the poster that you responded to has a valid point. The west is being hypocritical each and every time it criticises the Chinese govt. We are far more brainwashed and subservient here in the west; it's just that we are deluded into thinking we have free speech, free expression, freedom to raise our children as we see fit, freedom of opinion etc when in reality we are funneled into a specific way of thinking that suits a certain political viewpoint. Any alternative viewpoint results in loss of career, public shaming/vilification and often even trumped up criminal charges. Julian Assange is the most recent case in point. The charges don't even need to be trumped up any more as the definition of criminal antisemitism includes questioning zionist expansion at the expense of Palestinian rights to the very homes they once lived in and the very lands they once worked. Demanding a right of return for Palestinian refugees will cause a person to be on a terror watch list in western countries.

At least the Chinese are plain and open about it. at least the Chinese will empower and enrich loyal citizens and at least the Chinese seek loyalty to China rather than some obscure ridiculous biblical agenda that only really helps a few people thousands of miles away in a foreign land.

China doesn't allow ANY religion to dominate, and it certainly wouldn't tolerate beef lynchings or Hindutva terror against other groups for starters. It is no surprise that it is clamping down against Uighur separatism in this way. At the same time it is making Xinjiang very wealthy, according to certain indicators that Beijingwalker has posted elsewhere, it may become among the most prosperous in China. China's approach is unique and it remains to be seen if it will work, but I see mainly a bunch of hypocrites from pseudo democracies criticising it.

Wise and insightful comments.

 

[Arsalan 345]

I urge mods to delete this thread.this is useless discussion and it will create more hate between Chinese and pakistani members.whatever Chinese are doing is their internal security matter and most articles are baseless allegations.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Dai Toruko @Dubious @Itachi @Pakhtoon yum @Islamic faith&Secularism @KAL-EL @Hamartia Antidote @Vergennes @gambit @Nein @Indos @damm1t

 

[055_destroyer]

@Dai Toruko @Dubious @Itachi @Pakhtoon yum @Islamic faith&Secularism @KAL-EL @Hamartia Antidote @Vergennes @gambit @Nein @Indos @damm1t

BBC again? Is there some real authentic source? BBC also talks about Indian soldiers systematic rape and kill Muslim Kashmir. Perhaps you will need to agree with their assessment since you are a total fan of their news. Or maybe you will be selective of your stance?

https://www.thecut.com/2015/03/powerful-rape-documentary-banned-in-india.html

 

[Nilgiri]

BBC again? Is there some real authentic source? BBC also talks about Indian soldiers systematic rape and kill Muslim Kashmir. Perhaps you will need to agree with their assessment since you are a total fan of their news. Or maybe you will be selective of your stance?

https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/c1038wnxn2wt/rape-in-india

I never deny there is no human rights abuses going on in Kashmir and rest of India too (and region/world more broadly in all kind of places).

But there is no state sanctioned systemic purging of a culture by destroying numerous places of worship (as can be witnessed by satellite imagery and simple before and after pics on the ground), putting large numbers of people forcefully in re-education camps...and now this, taking their children and putting them in such camps to be brainwashed away from their culture too.

Your govt operates on a scale of several magnitudes higher than anyone else with such insidiousness (i.e total cultural wiping out)....because it fears any other culture and way of thinking.

Whatever you and that beijingwalker type of ppl post in this forum non-stop to try convince a small crowd here...or "justify" in some way, just know that its waste of time in the end....you can read the youtube comments to know why.

The tighter you extreme conformity authoritarians squeeze, the more slips through your fingers. More and more people see this.

 

[SQ8]

I never deny there is no human rights abuses going on in Kashmir and rest of India too (and region/world more broadly in all kind of places).

But there is no state sanctioned systemic purging of a culture by destroying numerous places of worship (as can be witnessed by satellite imagery and simple before and after pics on the ground), putting large numbers of people forcefully in re-education camps...and now this, taking their children and putting them in such camps to be brainwashed away from their culture too.

Your govt operates on a scale of several magnitudes higher than anyone else with such insidiousness (i.e total cultural wiping out)....because it fears any other culture and way of thinking.

Whatever you and that beijingwalker type of ppl post in this forum non-stop to try convince a small crowd here...or "justify" in some way, just know that its waste of time in the end....you can read the youtube comments to know why.

The tighter you extreme conformity authoritarians squeeze, the more slips through your fingers. More and more people see this.

Tis the era of perception wars.. there are no clean hands anymore.

To quote an old urde adage ”Shareef woh hai jis ko mauqa nahin mila”
(The innocent is one who did not get the opportunity)

The Chinese are doing to protect their state interests what India is in Kashmir or Pakistan did in FATA or the US is doing at the Mexican border.

I support the Chinese action in their country regardless of how cruel(or not) it may be just as I expect their support in Balochistan and FATA in what my state needs to do, and how I expect their support against what India is doing in Kashmir.

Wither my conscience in that support for all I care.. at least in letter anyway.

 

[Kai Liu]

@Dai Toruko @Dubious @Itachi @Pakhtoon yum @Islamic faith&Secularism @KAL-EL @Hamartia Antidote @Vergennes @gambit @Nein @Indos @damm1t

Mind your own business instead of posting western bitch media shit which has zero credibility...
This Muslim girl travelled and lived in China and had a great great time, you can watch all her vlogs

but when she came to india, this was what happened:

Not only Muslims, but for everyone especially women:
This girl travalled and lived in China and had a great great time, you can watch all her vlogs

but when she came to india, this was what happend:

 

[Nilgiri]

Tis the era of perception wars.. there are no clean hands anymore.

To quote an old urde adage ”Shareef woh hai jis ko mauqa nahin mila”
(The innocent is one who did not get the opportunity)

The Chinese are doing to protect their state interests what India is in Kashmir or Pakistan did in FATA or the US is doing at the Mexican border.

I support the Chinese action in their country regardless of how cruel(or not) it may be just as I expect their support in Balochistan and FATA in what my state needs to do, and how I expect their support against what India is doing in Kashmir.

Wither my conscience in that support for all I care.. at least in letter anyway.

Like I get what you are saying....and I would support China this way too if its simply putting in its rule of law into the area for a security/nationalist reason.

But stripping ppl away from their culture this way for homogeneous conformity is morally wrong in essence. That too from childhood (basically you have determined their own culture is unfit to even exist and persist). It is orwellian mixed in with "minority report" kind of argument.

I don't see Pakistan doing that in its western regions (again its bringing national unity through security apparatus)...nor I see India doing that or the US/West doing that today. Those can all be argued to be national security measures since those people are not being sent for "re-education" and have their religion and culture demolished. That too the US border concerns illegals in first place (not US citizens)....a better equivalent to that would be the Afghan border situation with Pakistan....should there be a fence there or not?

But this kind of insidious stuff (forcing people to give up their culture and sense of morality even...and doing so to children) needs whole different scale of authoritarianism for sole homogeneous conformity (to essentially the majority) argument....given they (Uighurs) are recognized PRC Citizens aren't they? In the end it just emboldens the argument that Chinese state does not have a right to these areas with these apparently starkly different culture that they say now (through action past the theory) cannot co-exist with majority.

These things never end well.

Mind your own business instead of posting western bitch media shit which has zero credibility...
This Muslim girl travelled and lived in China and had a great great time, you can watch all her vlogs

but when she came to india, this was what happened:

Not only Muslims, but for everyone especially women:
This girl travalled and lived in China and had a great great time, you can watch all her vlogs

but when she came to india, this was what happend:

Yes predictable 50 cent troll....probably super mad at the pakistani members response here to such news:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...istani-women-endure-rapes-china/#.XR_8detKiUk

Want me to post those threads and what your "iron brothers" expressed about you lot?

You aren't fooling anyone bucko when you try to brainwash anyone outside your 1984 orwellian state...that its all perfect and rainbows and roses:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/25/china-refuses-to-admit-it-has-a-rape-problem-i-would-know/

http://news.trust.org/item/20190520093012-01wks/

 

[beijingwalker]

But stripping ppl away from their culture this way for homogeneous conformity is morally wrong in essence.

Maybe that's what India is doing, China helps preserve minorities culture, people can see that first hand if they travel to minority regions , from frigid north the Evenki reindeer herders to tropical south Dai( Thai) culture, from Mongol hermen to Tajik Pamir mountain dewellers, China celebrates all of their unique cultures.

Yes predictable 50 cent troll....probably super mad at the pakistani members response here to such news:

A typical Indian troll when they run out of argument, I 've been called such for hundreds of times.

 

[Nilgiri]

Maybe that's what India is doing, China helps preserve minorities culture, people can see that first hand if they travel to minority regions , from frigid north the Evenki reindeer herders to tropical south Dai( Thai) culture, from Mongol hermen to Tajik Pamir mountain dewellers, China celebrates all of their unique cultures.

Yeah like how you "explained" (or was it dictated?) to those Pakistani members before that Muslims shouldn't pray 5 times a day or grow beards or keep uighur traditional customs...its apparently bad for CPC national cohesion and conformity!

You try too hard pal. These children getting put into camps too, so they grow up forgetting their culture will only prove you lot lost the argument of so called "chinese diversity and tolerance".

I despise any system that seeks to brainwash and eradicate a whole culture.

Political suppression for national unity argument (i.e one party state)...fine.

Suppressing media/flow of information....for same argument....ok fine.

Security intervention for pressing cohesion of the national borders...ok fine.

These are not ideal....but I give the benefit of the doubt to each country (your country, your rules).

But systemic genocide of any kind (people lives, their innate culture) is where I draw the red line. Others can feel free to disagree with that position and state their case why.....but of course some rather use strawmen and whataboutism instead....or just ad-hominem. Nothing quite "wins" an argument for some of your CPC trolls like ad-hominem does. It is actually quite telling to rest of regular people that read this stuff.

@Indos @Dubious @Itachi @Pakhtoon yum @That Guy

A typical Indian troll when they run out of argument, I 've been called such for hundreds of times.

He was one that dragged in my country here in such predictable fashion (when the subject is Uighurs and China)....so its only fair he gets called out on that.

 

[Kai Liu]

Like I get what you are saying....and I would support China this way too if its simply putting in its rule of law into the area for a security/nationalist reason.

But stripping ppl away from their culture this way for homogeneous conformity is morally wrong in essence. That too from childhood (basically you have determined their own culture is unfit to even exist and persist). It is orwellian mixed in with "minority report" kind of argument.

I don't see Pakistan doing that in its western regions (again its bringing national unity through security apparatus)...nor I see India doing that or the US/West doing that today. Those can all be argued to be national security measures since those people are not being sent for "re-education" and have their religion and culture demolished. That too the US border concerns illegals in first place (not US citizens)....a better equivalent to that would be the Afghan border situation with Pakistan....should there be a fence there or not?

But this kind of insidious stuff (forcing people to give up their culture and sense of morality even...and doing so to children) needs whole different scale of authoritarianism for sole homogeneous conformity (to essentially the majority) argument....given they (Uighurs) are recognized PRC Citizens aren't they? In the end it just emboldens the argument that Chinese state does not have a right to these areas with these apparently starkly different culture that they say now (through action past the theory) cannot co-exist with majority.

These things never end well.



Yes predictable 50 cent troll....probably super mad at the pakistani members response here to such news:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...istani-women-endure-rapes-china/#.XR_8detKiUk

Want me to post those threads and what your "iron brothers" expressed about you lot?

You aren't fooling anyone bucko when you try to brainwash anyone outside your 1984 orwellian state...that its all perfect and rainbows and roses:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/25/china-refuses-to-admit-it-has-a-rape-problem-i-would-know/

http://news.trust.org/item/20190520093012-01wks/

Everywhere, there are criminals, no surprising... But when everyone gets the shit, it becomes an icon of you.. I can easily show a million such videos

 

[American Pakistani]

Lives in America.. curses America..

America is true democracy, nevermind a bharti could never ever understand that, now go lynch someone for eating beef.