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European navies hold stronger China deterrent than first appears
Long-term engagement in Indo-Pacific changes Beijing's military calculus
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From left, the USS Curtis Wilbur, the JS Hamana and the FS Prairial conduct a joint training mission off the western coast of the Japanese island of Kyushu on Feb. 19 in a move seen as a message from the U.S., Japan and France to China. (Source photos by AP and Japan Maritime Self Defense Force/Kyodo)
HIROYUKI AKITA, Nikkei commentatorMarch 5, 2021 18:40 JST
TOKYO -- When a country flouts international rules, the world's powers respond with a particular pattern of escalation.
First, they condemn the actions with news conferences and statements. If this criticism does not bite, they impose economic sanctions to drive home their point. As a further step, they exert military pressure if needed, including dispatching warships.
When it comes to China, major European countries have begun to take the third option. In one example, France sent a frigate to the waters near Japan on Feb. 19 to conduct a joint military exercise with Japanese and U.S. forces.

Such moves come amid a growing backlash in Europe against China over Beijing's crackdown on human rights in Hong Kong and the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, as well as its heavy-handed actions in the South China Sea.
A survey by Pew Research Center released in October showed that more than 70% of respondents in the U.K., France and Germany have negative views of China. This public dissatisfaction and anxiety over China in Europe's three leading nations has now manifested itself in what could be seen a form of gunboat diplomacy.
This marks an intriguing shift for Europe, whose geopolitical energies have focused mainly on Russia since the end of World War II.
Particularly notable is the move of France, which has New Caledonia and other territories in the South Pacific. France also has several thousand troops, ships and aircraft stationed in the region.
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Clockwise from top-left, Chinese President Xi Jinping, European Council President Charles Michel, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel are seen on screen during a video conference on Dec. 30, 2020. © Reuters
Besides sending a frigate, France revealed on Feb. 8 that it had sent a nuclear-powered attack submarine in the South China Sea. "It is very unusual to go public with a nuclear submarine's highly confidential movements," said an Asian security official.
A "hunter-killer" submarine's primary mission is to find and sink enemy submarines. By dispatching one to the South China Sea, France is sending a clear warning to China, which is suspected by some analysts to have deployed nuclear-missile-equipped submarines there.
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French nuclear sub prowls South China Sea
France is expected to also send an amphibious ship by this summer and hold its first-ever military exercise with Japan and the U.S. with an eye on defending remote islands for the first time.
Meanwhile, the U.K. plans to dispatch the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the Indo-Pacific by the end of this year. The ship is to stay in the region for several months, but a plan to deploy a British aircraft carrier to the Indo-Pacific on an almost full-year basis sometime in the future has emerged.
Germany, though less of a sea power than France or the U.K., is also expected to send a frigate to the Indo-Pacific this year.
A European diplomatic source said these moves reflect rising alarm over China in European capitals. Their already dim views on Beijing were further darkened by the crackdown in Hong Kong and Xinjiang, as well as by the coronavirus pandemic, the source said.
China's military buildup also looms as a risk to Europe's economic interests. The South China Sea is a crucial shipping lane carrying about 10% of trade for the U.K., France and Germany.
The Chinese military possesses about 350 ships, more than the U.S. Dispatching just a few European ships will not budge the military balance now favoring China in terms of material. Even so, security officials in Asia and Europe say the actions of the U.K., France and Germany can be expected to help counter China's military in at least two ways.
First, if the Europeans demonstrate their ability and willingness to project naval power in the Indo-Pacific, China will have no choice but to modify its operations plans with respect to Taiwan and the South China Sea. The Chinese military will have to assume that the U.K., France and Germany, as well as Japan and Australia, will provide some form of support to U.S. forces in the event of a conflict. This would set a higher bar for a Chinese decision on military action.
Even if the U.K., France and Germany do not join a battle directly, they could support U.S. forces indirectly, said Nicolas Regaud, who was deeply involved in Indo-Pacific strategy at the French Defense Ministry until 2019.
"If China takes military action in the Indo-Pacific involving the U.S., for instance in the Taiwan Strait, Europe is unlikely to just watch and do nothing," said Regaud, who now serves as a senior research fellow and director for international development at the Institute for Strategic Research of the Ministry of Armed Forces. "Politically, the Europeans would be obliged to take sides in order to preserve the trans-Atlantic relationship."
"Doing so, they would accept to pay a price, as China will retaliate in weaponizing trade, finance, cyberspace, etc. Militarily, France, Britain and Germany may fill in the gap left by the U.S. Navy in the Atlantic, the Mediterranean or the Gulf," he said.
Regaud said there are "several other options for Europe to support the U.S. military operations, such as providing intelligence and supporting civilians to evacuate."
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The U.K. plans to dispatch the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the Indo-Pacific by the end of this year. © Reuters
Second, if the U.K. and France continue to send ships to the Indo-Pacific, it would lead to a new, U.S.-led naval cooperation framework in the region. The U.K. and France can strengthen their teamwork with the U.S., Japan, Australia and others by repeatedly holding joint maritime exercises in the region.
The HMS Queen Elizabeth is itself an example of hybrid operations of the U.K. and U.S. militaries. It carries U.S. Marine Corps aircraft as well as British planes. U.S. destroyers also join British ships in escorting the aircraft carrier.
The dispatch of warships by the U.K., France and Germany to the Indo-Pacific could draw a backlash from China and create new tension. But its positive effects -- in terms of deterring Chinese adventurism in the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea -- arguably outweigh its negative ones.
European countries hardly present a united front toward China. Hungary and Poland distance themselves from France and Germany. The European Union reached a broad agreement on an investment pact with China late last year and has no intention to give up business in China.
But over the long term, Europe is likely to take a tougher stance on China. A NATO report released on Dec. 1 positioned China as a threat along with Russia.
If Europe deepens its military engagement with the Indo-Pacific, Japan's roles will also increase. Japan is the only Asian country that has a port where aircraft carriers can visit and receive full-scale maintenance.
Japan should assume that British, French and German ships will come regularly. It will be important for Japan to do its part to maintain this cooperation by boosting its ports' preparedness and planning joint exercises.

China is preparing for Five Eyes to come with Western Europe.

No matter if they come or not, we make preparations for their coming.

No matter how many they come around China, they will die.
 
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The lessons being learned in occupied Palestine,

You can never be prepared enough. The same lesson during the world wars. France before WWII, thought France was better prepared than Germany with more forces in key categories. Don't be satisfied with superiority. Keep getting larger and larger.

1000 rockets launched killed 5 in occupied Palestine, and hit limited infrastructure. That means 1 million rocket launched = 5000 dead and maybe 10K targets hit. 1M rockets = small impact. Larger and deadlier missiles have more impact. Though you can never have enough missiles/rockets, and you want your military prepared BEFORE conflict. And you want smart missiles and dumb missiles and mixture of both in one missile. Every kind of missile in every different kind of combination. And 10s of 1000s of advanced missiles guided and not able to be hit with EW weapons.

Iran's underground network to store weapons is smart.

It also showing that a barrage of missiles can take out a fleet. 1000 missiles fired, 10% get by. 100 AShM hit the fleet. Swarming missile is a strategy. And the best defense is 1000s of SSKs/SSNs/SSBNs. Go underwater to protect from missiles.

The Armenian conflict showed the susceptibility of ADS to drones and other new warfare techniques. Isreal is showing ADS still serve a purpose. Though the effectiveness in a defense from air strikes, missile and drone strikes is yet to be determined.

And R&D laser defenses, laser weapons, and ew. Along with having rail gun battleships. This is next generation warfare. You can shell a target over the horizon with railgun battleship and even sink an enemy fleet.

If you don't want an arms race, then still go for EW, laser, ADS, missiles. As you can hide these.

Nobody knows how many missiles Iran has. And trolls on the forum try to get the Iranians to leak info about the Iranian and Chinese military. When these should stay hidden.
 
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And Something like a Roussen class fast attack craft
Hundreds of them, with a drone helicopter to use with AShM to extend range over horizon.
Inexpensive at under 200M yuan each.

Palestinians are reportedly deploying drone subs. US is also focusing on unmanned small subs.

China needs more subchasers. You have 054A for anti-sub warfare. 056s also for this mission. And 037s for subchasing. Multirole very light corvettes, mass produced for Air defense, anti-sub warfare and anti-ship role is a possible strategy. To encounter and destroy hundreds of drone unmanned subs designed to hit Chinese assets. China's shorelines are vast. You need more than several dozen ships patroling.
 
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