China factor significant in India’s water war game

[Sheikh Rauf]

India's upcoming projects in Indus basin
http://www.india-wris.nrsc.gov.in/w...=Hydro_Electric_Projects_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir
Even if India uses the western rivers within the treaty, it will have deadly impact. Use entire water of eastern rivers in summer. Diversion of 20 percent water from western rivers. Build more run of the river projects. A single dam while being filled blocks a river like Baglihar in 2008 affected Pakistan most. If huge number of dams are constructed though run of river based dams with a provision to store water to flush out the silt, they will have the combined capacity to block water. Chenab is heading that way. There are many ways to use river as a weapon. Allow less water in Summer, dump untreated sewage and industrial waste before they enter Pakistan. With increasing forex and stronger economy to fund these costly projects, retreating glaciers and unpredictable rains, situation will only worsen. Pakistan due to geography is already water starved with dependence on a single river basin whose water come from enemies Afghanistan and India. With Pakistan being agrarian country, even a portion of water taken away has devastating impact without blocking the entire river. Its not about blocking the western rivers. Its about reducing their flow and their impact in dry months

lol you forgot that you have 1.3 billion population and most of your own rivers are polluted due to your own religious what ever it is.. most of the people dump their bodies in rivers cuz they cant afford to burn them even after they burn they put their ashes in water.. even if you guys have 3 more rivers like indus its not enough.. 2030 will be yours 1.5 billion population... and china will come down to 1.4.. every drop is imp to you ..
Afghanistan is not an enemy just 20kms sqrs of kabul supports india and thats where you guys investing your money China investing more then you cud think of.. india is just good for loud mouth.

It was done on some occasions like Baglihar filling in 2008 or floods in Pakistan . But was not pursued aggressively as there was no necessity for the western river waters as the rivers through Indian Punjab is in India's control. Also the high cost of the projects.
But with relation Pakistan going south, water war is good option to please Indian voters as for the first time common people are also aware of this treaty. Add to it global warming, retreating glaciers, unpredictable rains, Indian appetite for power and water also rising. This will also help Kashmir whose rivers were given to Pakistan. Its a win win situation. Don't block but reduce the flow. Maintain a good image and slow poison Pakistan through long term strategy. No hype or chest thumping.

again talk and meeting.. try it!

 

[Super Falcon]

India should understand one thing which is very very simple it cannot lie down Pakistan in any means Either resolve all issues including kashmir

If india solves issues pros and cons

1. Entire south east Asia will have long lasting peace
2. Entire Asia grow twice the faster and effects will be directly on common public which also grow
3 just imagine China India Pakistan Afghanistan Iran Russia turkey trade entire west economy will be destroyed in seconds

There are no cons no one looses

If india keep doing stupid things

1. War will be imminent Pakistan have no choice to destroy india and India destroy Pakistan
2 after nuke each other which water india is stopping it is not good or use able for anyone

No pros

India has to mature what is significant good for region get out of ego

India. Has circled itself whatever it do at the end haunt them if they stop water China stop their water so it will be war for india to fight against chin a for water at same time Pakistan attack india for Pak share of water in both ways looser will be india

India wanted to isolate Pakistan but geographicaly Pak can never be circled who ever wants to circle Pak it end up in trap

Better for india to mature and understand the geographical interest it has no option other than negotiating with regional players every one contribute with India but india has to get out of its ego first

Next super power is China so india has too many problems better of resolving them than resisting

Kashmir should be separate state Pak and India can negotiate two party system there so both countries has their representatives in kashmir parliment and free visas for Pak and Indian people is a good deal for Pak and India

Yes you are right but i

I think you are not aware of the Indus water treaty. Pakistan was given waters of Indus, Chenab and Jhelum because they flow through Kashmir. India kept the waters of Sutlej, Beas and Ravi as they are required by Indian Punjab, Haryana and Rajasthan. So you can say Kashmiris are deprived by the treaty. So they will only welcome the Indian exploitation of the western rivers.

It is not a question of "if" but "when" the treaty loses its relevance. India Pakistan relation is going south. Power and water requirements are ever rising. India is moving to a more nationalistic and aggressive mindset. So waging a water war is a much safer option with its benefits, low cost, maximum impact and has some justification.

China blocks two main Indian rivers what will you do

Or even China don't than India flood itself

Dear in future every nation has to clean water of sea as few countries already doing it so you are not poisoning us but giving us new options

Anyway plz answer if China blocks your water what will u do

 

[Tom M]

China factor significant in India’s water war game
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September 26, 2016
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NEW DEHLI: As India mulls to revenge Uri attack by illegally stopping Pakistan's share of water promised under Indus Water Treaty, China's role in this saga holds significance.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi chaired a high-level meeting today (Monday) to discuss pros and cons of this unlawful action on the 1960 water treaty signed between India and Pakistan.

According to experts, in case India decides to stop Pakistan’s share, China could respond to this act by blocking River Indus and River Brahmaputra as both of them originate from there.

China has not signed international water sharing agreement, so it has no obligation to let the rivers flow.

If China came in Pakistan's support, and diverted the flow of River Indus, India could lose 36 percent of river water. Additionally, China also has the option of stopping the flow of Brahmaputra river into India. The Brahmaputra feeds millions in India and Bangladesh. China is building 11 mega dams on it and is in a position to hurt India's interests.

Blocking flow of Indus would also cause floods in Occupied Kashmir and Punjab in India.

Violating an international treaty backed by the World Bank, would invite condemnation from across globe putting India under immense pressure amid Kashmir violence.

Well do you know India's trade deficit w.r.t China.It is something around USD 55 Billion, which means India is one of the biggest market to sell "Made in China" products. They export more to India than India does to China. Interestingly the difference is so huge that if ever the trade is to be stopped completely it will be the (already ailing) Chinese economy that will suffer more than India.

Still you seriously think, China will poke their nose into something that doesn't affect them at all ?? LOL

 

[ThinkLogically]

India should understand one thing which is very very simple it cannot lie down Pakistan in any means Either resolve all issues including kashmir

If india solves issues pros and cons

1. Entire south east Asia will have long lasting peace
2. Entire Asia grow twice the faster and effects will be directly on common public which also grow
3 just imagine China India Pakistan Afghanistan Iran Russia turkey trade entire west economy will be destroyed in seconds

There are no cons no one looses

If india keep doing stupid things

1. War will be imminent Pakistan have no choice to destroy india and India destroy Pakistan
2 after nuke each other which water india is stopping it is not good or use able for anyone

No pros

India has to mature what is significant good for region get out of ego

India. Has circled itself whatever it do at the end haunt them if they stop water China stop their water so it will be war for india to fight against chin a for water at same time Pakistan attack india for Pak share of water in both ways looser will be india

India wanted to isolate Pakistan but geographicaly Pak can never be circled who ever wants to circle Pak it end up in trap

Better for india to mature and understand the geographical interest it has no option other than negotiating with regional players every one contribute with India but india has to get out of its ego first

Next super power is China so india has too many problems better of resolving them than resisting

Kashmir should be separate state Pak and India can negotiate two party system there so both countries has their representatives in kashmir parliment and free visas for Pak and Indian people is a good deal for Pak and India

There is only one solution to Kashmir issue which is favourable to both the countries. Stop terrorism and accept LOC as IB. Any thing else will not acceptable to either of us, even this is a very big concession from us.

Pakistan does not have any other choice. If you continue we will bring many more choke points including using our fair share of water. If Pakistan thinks it is a injustice then you start the war.

Next super power is China so india has too many problems better of resolving them than resisting

Kashmir should be separate state Pak and India can negotiate two party system there so both countries has their representatives in kashmir parliment and free visas for Pak and Indian people is a good deal for Pak and India

Yes you are right but i

China blocks two main Indian rivers what will you do

Or even China don't than India flood itself

Dear in future every nation has to clean water of sea as few countries already doing it so you are not poisoning us but giving us new options

Anyway plz answer if China blocks your water what will u do

So you think China can become a super power antagonising its neighbours like India, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines and Myanmar. Without the cooperation and better relation from these countries China will be a regional power forever.

India will be the last country to worry about China stopping water because the first countries to cry will be Pakistan and Bangladesh because China can stop waters of Indus and Brahmaputra.

 

[el che]

lol you forgot that you have 1.3 billion population and most of your own rivers are polluted due to your own religious what ever it is.. most of the people dump their bodies in rivers cuz they cant afford to burn them even after they burn they put their ashes in water.. even if you guys have 3 more rivers like indus its not enough.. 2030 will be yours 1.5 billion population... and china will come down to 1.4.. every drop is imp to you ..
Afghanistan is not an enemy just 20kms sqrs of kabul supports india and thats where you guys investing your money China investing more then you cud think of.. india is just good for loud mouth.


again talk and meeting.. try it!

Your claim, If I accept, further substantiates and justifies the claim of India's demand of western rivers to support its growing population. Pakistan, as per the IMF, is the third most water scarce country in the world and its so unfortunate that you depend on India for all your water. As for 3 more indus, Ganges carry 2.5 times and Brahmaputra carries 3 times the water of Indus. There are other Himalayan and peninsular rivers as well. Most importantly we are not dependent and stupid enough to irritate a country from which all the water comes.

India has already built a dam in Afghanistan. The next one can be on the Kabul river, whats wrong with that. Don't you want some electricity and water for Afghan people. And stop being the Chinese cheerleader. They are not coming to your rescue infact they may dam Indus further deteriorating the situation for you.

China blocks two main Indian rivers what will you do

Or even China don't than India flood itself

Dear in future every nation has to clean water of sea as few countries already doing it so you are not poisoning us but giving us new options

Anyway plz answer if China blocks your water what will u do

China is much stronger than India. Inspite of all the tensions, not a single bullet has been fired in Indo China border since 1962 and the border is peaceful. China is also investing in India with some mobile manufacturing and also RnD for Huawei. Is their similar engagement from China in Pakistan. What I am trying to state is that no person should be deprived of water but for that peace must exist between the two countries. China can block water as they have done in Brahmaputra though it does not affect the north east much. It also has water dispute with other south east asian countries. China could not have been pressurized in such a situation militarily at the moment. Trade and diplomacy would have been used to solve the issue. Actually, the lower riparian countries are very unfortunate.

Pakistan is leaving India with no options, we never know when some mullah blows himself in a public place. We see likes of Hafeez saeed living like kings in Pakistan. War is more damaging to both the countries so water issue is being raised to pressurize Pakistan.

18 soldier killed and India is looking to make maximum use under the treaty provisions. Few more attacks like Mumbai will force India to take a tougher stand.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Your claim, If I accept, further substantiates and justifies the claim of India's demand of western rivers to support its growing population. Pakistan, as per the IMF, is the third most water scarce country in the world and its so unfortunate that you depend on India for all your water. As for 3 more indus, Ganges carry 2.5 times and Brahmaputra carries 3 times the water of Indus. There are other Himalayan and peninsular rivers as well. Most importantly we are not dependent and stupid enough to irritate a country from which all the water comes.

India has already built a dam in Afghanistan. The next one can be on the Kabul river, whats wrong with that. Don't you want some electricity and water for Afghan people. And stop being the Chinese cheerleader. They are not coming to your rescue infact they may dam Indus further deteriorating the situation for you.



China is much stronger than India. Inspite of all the tensions, not a single bullet has been fired in Indo China border since 1962 and the border is peaceful. China is also investing in India with some mobile manufacturing and also RnD for Huawei. Is their similar engagement from China in Pakistan. What I am trying to state is that no person should be deprived of water but for that peace must exist between the two countries. China can block water as they have done in Brahmaputra though it does not affect the north east much. It also has water dispute with other south east asian countries. China could not have been pressurized in such a situation militarily at the moment. Trade and diplomacy would have been used to solve the issue. Actually, the lower riparian countries are very unfortunate.

Pakistan is leaving India with no options, we never know when some mullah blows himself in a public place. We see likes of Hafeez saeed living like kings in Pakistan. War is more damaging to both the countries so water issue is being raised to pressurize Pakistan.

18 soldier killed and India is looking to make maximum use under the treaty provisions. Few more attacks like Mumbai will force India to take a tougher stand.

 

[somebozo]

Pakistan can embark on a serious engineering challenge of glacier diversion and snow fall recover to store water in local dams..glacier diversion will have a heavily negative impact on Indian ecology...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glaciers_of_Pakistan

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

I think india is leaving no chioce what Pakistan will have to lose Nothing one small bullet can make their billions of dollars damn cry away.. if we depend on what you saying ..
i would really like to see india blocking Pakistans water.. from past 60 years you cudnt do it even in war times.. whats so differene now.You dont have in you. those ones died who tried.
you have no choice but to solve Kashmir with Pakistan.. you cant shout your throat out that its integral part but reality is your own leader brought this very issue to UN.
what you guys gonna cry after water.. cuz there is nothing you can do about it.. Pakistan is here and will live till the end insha'Allah.

 

[NHUDA]

what you say is true ? Pakistan's only choice is capitulation. you have to stop support for armed groups in India and Afghanistan

Free Kashmir & Come out of Afghanistan & the issue will sort out themselves !!!!

 

[Levina]

In addition to China factor Pakistan has to seriously consider war with India, if India stops Pakistani rivers.

Incase of India diverting rivers Pakistan should nuke India, as Pakistan has no other option.

Utterly stupid suggestion!!!
Where do you think China will store water more than a 1000 maf??? This will end up flooding the countries on the upstream. China will not pull the plug on this.

Btw it is equallly stupid to assume that India will stop the flow of water. In case of INDUS treaty, India has been very generous to let Pakistan use about 80% of the water.
I'm asssuming India wants to revisit the treaty and work on something which is more pragmatic.

 

[Taygibay]

Water is one of those things that should always be shared.
Animals keep peace at dusk around watering holes, darn it!
And we humans can't?

Whether you're Muslim, Christian, Buddist or atheist, pretty
much anything but psychopath, you won't let someone die
of thirst and yet, it happened before and may again soon, we
fight for possession of it even though Earth has enough for all.

Bluntly, all wars for water are inspired by Sheitan!

Peace out, Tay.

 

[Indika]

Utterly stupid suggestion!!!
Where do you think China will store water more than a 1000 maf??? This will end up flooding the countries on the upstream. China will not pull the plug ok this.

Btw it is equallly stupid to assume that India will stop the flow of water. In case of INDUS treaty, India has been very generous to let Pakistan use about 80% of the water.
I'm asssuming India wants to revisit the treaty and work on something which is more pragmatic.

True , further more what will china do with water other than for hydroelectricity. Most of their agricultural lands are in east not west.

 

[Levina]

Whether you're Muslim, Christian, Buddist or atheist, pretty
much anything but psychopath, you won't let someone die
of thirst and yet, it happened before and may again soon, we
fight for possession of it even though Earth has enough for all.

Bluntly, all wars for water are inspired by Sheitan!.

Yes it happened in the recent past too.
2014>>> Turkey>>> Euphrates river>>> Syria.

 

[Taygibay]

Yes it happened in the recent past too.
2014>>> Turkey>>> Euphrates river>>> Syria.

That one actually isn't finished but ongoing, milady.
So _It's happening_ would have been de rigueur.

All the best to you and yours, Tay.

P.S.

True , further more what will china do with water other than for hydroelectricity. Most of their agricultural lands are in east not west.

And why do you think that is exactly?
With over a billion and a half people
and the world to export to, don't you
think that if water flowed enough to
make fertile plains out of the oases
of the East, they'd grow stuff there too?

I think you just tripped over your untied cause and effect; sorry.​

 

[Levina]

True , further more what will china do with water other than for hydroelectricity. Most of their agricultural lands are in east not west.

True.
Excess water will have to be diverted to sea.


But whoever suggested that China would divert water is being preposterous because

1) Stopping a river is considered an act of war.

2) China will need a huge infrastructure to stop the rivers and also to divert it in a way that doesn't flood its own land. Not happening anytime soon.

3) India is a huge market for Chinese products. China will think twice before stopping the rivers to India.

4) Stopping rivers flowing through China will only effect a part of India and not all of India. Ganges is the lifeline of central and western states of India. Incase somebody suggests tweaking Brahmaputra's path, then they should know NE India gets highest rainfall in the world.

Lol
Common sense is not common, some repeatedly prove it on PDF.

That one actually isn't finished but ongoing, milady

I didn't get it.
6m level drop was reported in lake Assad, in 2014.