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China Currency Bill Passes US Senate

I am surprised it even passed Senate considering biggest losers in this will be US corporations and shareholders. Yep, the real culprits. That said, people are angry as hell and Washington is terrified. If republicans supported this bill, surely Sun must have risen in west.

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This is great news! A trade war will mean hyperinflation for the US. Look at how unstable the US is right now. If there is hyperinflation it's civil war -- the US military branches may have to choose sides between Red state and Blue states. Suppose US army goes with the Red states and US marines goes with the Blue states and fight it out in US homeland...

Yes, China will be hurt economically, but strategically it gains massively because US will be completely incapacitated from any meddling in Asian affairs. In fact, once China knocks out its evil neighbors one-by-one after the US is incapacitated, China can start selling arms to US factions it supports, create a puppet government in the Americas and eventually land PLA and colonize to spread out our 1.3 billion people.

Much of China's currency reserves come from exporting labor-intensive goods. Even if this evaporates in hyperinflation, it's money well spent.


I will take steamed tofu with that BS.
 
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US will not be able to create any jobs with such protectionist policies. Large businesses will now diversify their global exposure by moving to ASEAN, India or East Europe. On the other hand, China can benefit by moving to a free currency regime, trade more with the rest of the world. A stronger Yuan can replace the dollar as international reserve. China must grab the opportunity created through this protectionist experiment by the US.
 
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US will not be able to create any jobs with such protectionist policies. Large businesses will now diversify their global exposure by moving to ASEAN, India or East Europe. On the other hand, China can benefit by moving to a free currency regime, trade more with the rest of the world. A stronger Yuan can replace the dollar as international reserve. China must grab the opportunity created through this protectionist experiment by the US.

All in one day? India can only dream of American businesses coming there like they did in China.
 
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This is great news! A trade war will mean hyperinflation for the US.
It's the China that's suffering from high inflation caused by fixed exchange rate, not the US.

Yes, China will be hurt economically, but strategically it gains massively because US will be completely incapacitated from any meddling in Asian affairs.
Why do you think that way? Everybody else, Korea, Japan, India, Australia, Taiwan, Mongolia, Vietnam, and Philippines, want Americans around. Americans aren't going anywhere and stand to increase influences should any conflict arise with China.

I am surprised it even passed Senate considering biggest losers in this will be US corporations and shareholders.
Once again, those US corporations could simply move to another 3rd world country in pursuit of $1/hr wages.

However, it could affect the US corporations's business interest within Chinese domesticmarkets, like GM, GE, and Boeing.

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The problem is that US corporations can't find any nation to take the place of China for now.
Vietnam and Thailand are popular destinations.

India and Vietnam both have cheaper labor than China, then why they just don't move their business over there?
The exodus is already taking place.
 
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US will not be able to create any jobs with such protectionist policies. Large businesses will now diversify their global exposure by moving to ASEAN, India or East Europe. On the other hand, China can benefit by moving to a free currency regime, trade more with the rest of the world. A stronger Yuan can replace the dollar as international reserve. China must grab the opportunity created through this protectionist experiment by the US.

Strong and Appreciated Yuan also implies costly export products from China. Unless China providing specialized products not available from the other markets, there is a big chance of loosing the edge over a period of time. Though the current scale of manufacturing is not available in any other country, the next 5-10 years will be crucial ball game for maintaining the competence and the scale of export. China is still an export based country with its consumer market not comparable to any scale of US or even the proportion of its export.
 
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A appreciation of the yen did little to help reduce America's trade deficit with Japan in the 1980s.The America do it again deliberately although it won't be able to create more jobs for them.
 
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A appreciation of the yen did little to help reduce America's trade deficit with Japan in the 1980s.
It did, over a long time. The Plaza Accord weakened the Japanese economy, and Japan entered the 20-year depression which greatly weakened the Japanese corporations. A rise in Yuan's value could have same effect on China's economy, while China is still a developing middle-income economy.

The America do it again deliberately although it won't be able to create more jobs for them.
This is more about weakening China than bringing the jobs back to the US.
 
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Any one who thinks its a boon for India is in a wet dream. People easily buy anything made in China with an american label on it. Same would not be true for Made in India..i remember the dirty old days when APC started importing Made in India UPS with boat load of promises..ended up losing market to other players. Made in India tech goods = simply not worth.
 
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^perhaps that's why PK Railways are desperate for Indian rail engines
 
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^perhaps that's why PK Railways are desperate for Indian rail engines
Under zardari regime, it has more to do about corrupt and kick backs..indians will do anything for business..and they are the king pin of illegal kick backs!
 
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Under zardari regime, it has more to do about corrupt and kick backs..indians will do anything for business..and they are the king pin of illegal kick backs!

pleasure doing business. looking for increased profits after the MPN :tup:
but feel free to complain sitting in KSA
 
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A typical indian reply ignoring the reality. China doesn't get free grain from the US, China buys it, on the other hand, the US government pays its employees with the money borrowed from China. Now, tell me, who feeds whom?

So you imply China gives away free money to the US while paying for its grains?

Either the Chinese are incredibly stupid to do that or you are to suggest that, take your pick.

This is great news! A trade war will mean hyperinflation for the US. Look at how unstable the US is right now. If there is hyperinflation it's civil war -- the US military branches may have to choose sides between Red state and Blue states. Suppose US army goes with the Red states and US marines goes with the Blue states and fight it out in US homeland...

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Much of China's currency reserves come from exporting labor-intensive goods. Even if this evaporates in hyperinflation, it's money well spent.

This is what happens when 14 year olds start talking about economics. I bet you don't have an idea why increased inflation would be good for USA and disastrous for China. I'll leave it up to you to get some real education (read non-chinese) and figure out how that will happen.
 
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Ordinary Americans could face rising inflation if Yuan rises too fast.

Bankers are bailed out,
We are sold out!

-- from "Occupy Wall Street"
 
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Chinese posters here may try to play down the bill, but the Chinese govt is concerned

Exclusive: China launches lobbying push on currency bill


(Reuters) - China has launched an intense lobbying effort in Washington to kill legislation that would punish it for its currency system, in the latest display of its more sophisticated approach to influence U.S. policy.

A 12-member "Congressional Liaison Team" inside the Chinese embassy has been meeting with aides to key lawmakers, making phone calls to congressional offices and speaking to the White House on the issue, according to Chinese and U.S. officials.

The Chinese embassy has also been paying a blue chip Washington law firm $35,000 a month to lobby Congress on its behalf and to provide China with a greater understanding of congressional politics.

The effort reflects how sophisticated China's lobbying in Washington has become. Just 10 years ago China routinely ignored Congress, with some of its officials believing the Senate and House of Representatives were mere mouthpieces for the executive branch.

And Beijing's rare attempts to influence U.S. politics were clumsy and ill-informed, officials say.

Chinese officials have been warning Congress and the White House that passage of the currency bill, which advocates retaliatory tariffs on Chinese exports if the yuan remains artificially low against the dollar, could trigger a damaging trade war.

The Senate on Tuesday passed the bill by a 63-35 vote. Its fate in the House of Representatives looks more uncertain.

"China's position on this issue is very clear," a Chinese embassy official told Reuters. "So congressional staff at the embassy have not only been reaching out to the Congress, but have also been talking to all branches of the U.S. government, including the administration."

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said embassy staff had been holding meetings on Capitol Hill with key aides, and "I know there have been communications with the White House." The official did not know which White House officials, or lawmakers, had been approached.

"We have been explaining to them our position and hoping they can convince the majority of senators and representatives to take rational steps by not politicizing this issue," the official said.

Orrin Hatch, a Republican senator who voted against the legislation, said it was important to listen to the Chinese.

"I think we have to give consideration to people who are leaders in their country. I don't know how much influence they would have, but they certainly ought to be given consideration. I always do," Hatch said outside the Senate.

He described the Chinese representatives who came to Capitol Hill as "very concerned" about the currency legislation.

"I did see some in the hallway, and all they did was encourage me with what I was doing," he said. Hatch had proposed an amendment requiring the administration to engage in multilateral negotiations with China, but it was not brought to a vote in the Democratic-controlled Senate.

President Barack Obama declined to support the legislation last week, but he did accuse China of "gaming the system".

Keeping the yuan artificially low boosts Chinese exports because it makes its products cheaper on world markets.

Supporters of the legislation -- a coalition of Democrats and Republicans -- say a rise in the yuan would make U.S. exports more competitive, creating American jobs. Opponents say a trade war would hurt an already anemic U.S. economy.

LOBBYING FIRM

China began to realize the importance of lobbying after being repeatedly outfoxed on Capitol Hill by Taiwan, which had a sophisticated and effective operation to influence legislation.

In 2005, the Chinese embassy retained Patton Boggs, one of the top lobbying shops in Washington. The relationship continues with the embassy paying a monthly retainer of $35,000, according to disclosure forms lodged under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

According to the FARA filings, the Chinese embassy paid Patton Boggs $104,090 on May 5, 2011, and $105,000 on May 13 -- enough to cover six months' retainer fees. A Patton Boggs official declined to comment on the firm's work for the Chinese embassy.

"They have built up a very nuanced understanding of how Congress works," a former U.S. official with extensive experience of dealing with the Chinese told Reuters. "They have much more comprehensive understanding of what role Congress plays in these debates."

The official said that on the currency legislation, Chinese embassy staff "have been engaging with the Hill, and I do know that this is an important issue to the Chinese and they have been putting resources into it."

A congressional aide said in recent years the Chinese lobbying effort has become more sophisticated. They no longer complain about every bill that affects them. "They now realize some of the bills are not going anywhere," the aide said.

These days, the aide said, Chinese diplomats visit Capitol Hill and "they come here and sit down and talk to you, but it's like any other country."

Exclusive: China launches lobbying push on currency bill | Reuters
 
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