China backs bigger role for India, Brazil at UNSC

[sancho]

Dude you are a pessimistic person and I even doubt your nationality.

You guys need to read the quoted part as well, to understand the reply! It's not about India not getting a permanent member, but about Brazil and India together, because that would be against US / NATO interests.

 

[Tshering22]

I just think Venezuela and Cuba holds a little to much influence on Brazil atm
Brazil still has a way to go in terms of leadership and a international role.
I would rather Chile be in charge of the South America sphere.

Brazil is a powerful enough country.

You can never convince everybody to vote for you.

When the UN was formed, there was hardly any country to oppose as many of them were under 2 of the P5s.

So this should be simply a majority-BASED voting. If 150 countries out of 220 (or whatever) are in favour, induct them.

If not, just forget about reforming the UNSC.

It just won't serve any purpose.

Dude you are a pessimistic person and I even doubt your nationality.

He is practical.

Practicality isn't pessimism. Tell me, how many times during UPA rule did we hear this right from 2010? France, Russia, USA, China, UK all expressed 'their support'.

Are we, Japan, Brazil or Germany in with VETO powers?

No. None of us.

The alternate is to create a differently modeled organization in which all other small countries also have fair say rather than 5 big daddies sitting and pushing everyone.

That's what BRICS is all about.

 

[axisofevil]

Anything less than power of Veto we won't agree

With addition of Brazil and India BRICs will be a huge counter weight for NATO or European Union . Will be known as Big BRICS

Change your thinking. If you start thinking of being a counter weight to Nato or the EU, our future is limited.


India has to change it slave mentality and looking to others for acceptance to some degree. We have a culture that has used marijuana for various purposes yet we signed a law that makes it illegal. Amsterdam was the only nation for sometime to stand up to this. Now look at the West. They start realizing the benefits of Marijuana and arresting ppl for it makes no sense. Now they are engaged in cutting edge research whereas our gov't has not even allowed laws to be passed to jump in this direction. Our gov't has never paid attention to anything.

I dont blame Modi. The guy has a shitload of change to bring about.

 

[Hindustani78]

Anything less than power of Veto we won't agree

With addition of Brazil and India BRICs will be a huge counter weight for NATO or European Union . Will be known as Big BRICS

BRICS will be more about economic block. Brazil is going to get Gripens from Sweden and Chinook from United States and India even have defence deals with United states .

 

[mike2000]

Anything less than power of Veto we won't agree

With addition of Brazil and India BRICs will be a huge counter weight for NATO or European Union . Will be known as Big BRICS

LOOOL Since when does India has as objective Countering the E.U/U.S/west? lool I know China and Russia do have divergent interests with the West/U.S/ , but India as well? lool Nope, India doesnt see things like China and Russia do, Reason India still doesnt have a well defined foreign policy or its 'non aligned'(though i understand this stand, since its still relatively weak/not powerful/influential enough, therefore it needs all the help/tech it can get from foreign powers) . Also,India doesnt have much common interests with Russia and China, Meanwhile i might even argue we have much more common interests with India than India does with the other BRICS members. lol

As for China backing India seat in UNSC, hmmmmmm............i dont know if members here even take time to study this issue well enough. India wants to get into a permanent UNSC seat with Brazil, Japan and Gwermany, as we all know China has already publicly said it will NEVER allow Japan to get a UNSC permanent seat, So any Indian entry is also indirectly is null and void as well, since India is pitching for an entry as a block with Japan and the other members together.lol So if India is really keen to join, India will need to abandon the other members(mostly Japan) and go it alone(yes some might call it selfishness, but then again in this world/politics, its every country for itself.). To be honest though, No P5 country will ever want/agree to take Practical steps to reform/revise the permanent seat members, since it will dilute their own influence. So any talk of backing India, Brazil, Japan etc for a permanent seat is just 'talk', more like a sham to score political points/favor/deals, not going to happen anytime soon.

Who said that India can't join? In fact, India currently has the highest chances to join than any other possible candidate, but the US and NATO won't give away their advantage in the UNC, by weaken their position with too many countries that could vote against their interests. That's why the US is pushing for India and Japan, to retain the 1 vote advantage. .

The bold part is the the only part i agree with you. As for India having the highest chance, hmmmmmm.......i will say its Germany and Maybe even Japan(only China is their hindrance here), since boith countries have much more influence/world trade,economic weight etc than India. In fact, to be honest, India doesnt lead these two countries in anything.fg

 

[Luca1]

Anything less than power of Veto we won't agree

With addition of Brazil and India BRICs will be a huge counter weight for NATO or European Union . Will be known as Big BRICS

There will be no veto power for any new members. If you don't agree, then don't join. Others are waiting in line.

 

[Ind4Ever]

LOOOL Since when does India has as objective Countering the E.U/U.S/west? lool I know China and Russia do have divergent interests with the West/U.S/ , but India as well? lool Nope, India doesnt see things like China and Russia do, Reason India still doesnt have a well defined foreign policy or its 'non aligned'(though i understand this stand, since its still relatively weak/not powerful/influential enough, therefore it needs all the help/tech it can get from foreign powers) . Also,India doesnt have much common interests with Russia and China, Meanwhile i might even argue we have much more common interests with India than India does with the other BRICS members. lol

As for China backing India seat in UNSC, hmmmmmm............i dont know if members here even take time to study this issue well enough. India wants to get into a permanent UNSC seat with Brazil, Japan and Gwermany, as we all know China has already publicly said it will NEVER allow Japan to get a UNSC permanent seat, So any Indian entry is also indirectly is null and void as well, since India is pitching for an entry as a block with Japan and the other members together.lol So if India is really keen to join, India will need to abandon the other members(mostly Japan) and go it alone(yes some might call it selfishness, but then again in this world/politics, its every country for itself.). To be honest though, No P5 country will ever want/agree to take Practical steps to reform/revise the permanent seat members, since it will dilute their own influence. So any talk of backing India, Brazil, Japan etc for a permanent seat is just 'talk', more like a sham to score political points/favor/deals, not going to happen anytime soon.


The bold part is the the only part i agree with you. As for India having the highest chance, hmmmmmm.......i will say its Germany and Maybe even Japan(only China is their hindrance here), since boith countries have much more influence/world trade,economic weight etc than India. In fact, to be honest, India doesnt lead these two countries in anything.fg

China became UNSC permenant member only by 2004 if am not wrong .Say thanks to Russia. Since China was a puppet of Russian policy Russians was willing to give Veto power to Chinese . As you sad India don't have any hate towards West like Chinese do for no reason. Russia and west has history of wars and stuff I really wonder why China hate US and the West . Do you know why ? Because u just want to be seen as another important player .U are wasting money like things to achieve which was already achieved by West 5 decades ago . It's Called insecurity complex Given THE breif History Of Main landers real Chinese been slaved for only god knows how long.

So tell me why should India want to hate the west ? We follow Non Alignment but Now we changed it to multi Alignment moment. If China don't agree for UNSC seat for India so be it . We will go into the UNSC what so eve .

 

[Luca1]

China became UNSC permenant member only by 2004 if am not wrong .Say thanks to Russia. Since China was a puppet of Russian policy Russians was willing to give Veto power to Chinese . As you sad India don't have any hate towards West like Chinese do for no reason. Russia and west has history of wars and stuff I really wonder why China hate US and the West . Do you know why ? Because u just want to be seen as another important player .U are wasting money like things to achieve which was already achieved by West 5 decades ago . It's Called insecurity complex Given THE breif History Of Main landers real Chinese been slaved for only god knows how long.

So tell me why should India want to hate the west ? We follow Non Alignment but Now we changed it to multi Alignment moment. If China don't agree for UNSC seat for India so be it . We will go into the UNSC what so eve .

LOL. Are you the fictional writer of this forum. You are hilarious.

 

[third eye]

China became UNSC permenant member only by 2004 if am not wrong .Say thanks to Russia. Since China was a puppet of Russian policy Russians was willing to give Veto power to Chinese . As you sad India don't have any hate towards West like Chinese do for no reason. Russia and west has history of wars and stuff I really wonder why China hate US and the West . Do you know why ? Because u just want to be seen as another important player .U are wasting money like things to achieve which was already achieved by West 5 decades ago . It's Called insecurity complex Given THE breif History Of Main landers real Chinese been slaved for only god knows how long.

So tell me why should India want to hate the west ? We follow Non Alignment but Now we changed it to multi Alignment moment. If China don't agree for UNSC seat for India so be it . We will go into the UNSC what so eve .

You are on the net, why dont you ascertain facts before you write ?

 

[帅的一匹]

I say China shall support India. regarding Japan, don't even think about it.

for me, India is an unbiased game player in the international community. they always say no to the west and insist justice. too many puppet of USA in the permanent Five, we need to add an independent member.

 

[Shotgunner51]

China became UNSC permenant member only by 2004 if am not wrong .Say thanks to Russia. Since China was a puppet of Russian policy Russians was willing to give Veto power to Chinese . As you sad India don't have any hate towards West like Chinese do for no reason. Russia and west has history of wars and stuff I really wonder why China hate US and the West . Do you know why ? Because u just want to be seen as another important player .U are wasting money like things to achieve which was already achieved by West 5 decades ago . It's Called insecurity complex Given THE breif History Of Main landers real Chinese been slaved for only god knows how long.

So tell me why should India want to hate the west ? We follow Non Alignment but Now we changed it to multi Alignment moment. If China don't agree for UNSC seat for India so be it . We will go into the UNSC what so eve .

So true ... everyone on this forum can see your wisdom ...

 

[Ind4Ever]

There will be no veto power for any new members. If you don't agree, then don't join. Others are waiting in line.

No one cares what China says . We know how to get into UNSC . So pip down . China itself a new member . gift for being Russian Puppet

So true ... everyone on this forum can see your wisdom ...

Oh cool . Hope u can prove me wrong

 

[Shotgunner51]

No one cares what China says . We know how to get into UNSC . So pip down .

Great! How?

Oh cool . Hope u can prove me wrong

That's wisdom, and education, can't argue, well done

 

[Ind4Ever]

You are on the net, why dont you ascertain facts before you write ?

Bhai for long time this LuCA 1 dude trolling all Indian post and derailing the thread .

 

[SpArK]

On various issues the alignment now is that of P5 is US, France and Britain on one side and China , Russia on other side.

Addition of India will counter balance things.