China backed Vietnam's first urban railway enters service

[IblinI]

they made him a moderator lol.

Hahahahahahaha, I cant stop laughing.

 

[beijingwalker]

Viva Viet’s continuing his Vietnamese circlejerk at some Turkish defence forum. Funnily enough, they made him a moderator lol.

He is there busy unifying the whole south east Asia under the Vietnam's banner. He believes once Vietnam finishes conquering the whole south east Asia, it'll become a bigger and more powerful country than China.

 

[KampfAlwin]

He is there busy unifying the whole south east Asia under the Vietnam's banner. He believes once Vietnam finishes conquering the whole south east Asia, it'll become a bigger and more powerful country than China.


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If they do that, instead of Agent Orange, it'll be Agent Nuclear lol.

 

[Viet]

Plus: we get the first urban rail.
Minus: one of the most expensive rail project ever
$900 for 13km
8 year delay
If we continue to do so we are bankrupt and third world even in 100 years.
Will be probably the first and the last chinese infra project in Vietnam.

 

[beijingwalker]

Plus: we get the first urban rail.
Minus: one of the most expensive rail project ever
$900 for 13km
8 year delay
If we continue to do so we are bankrupt and third world even in 100 years.
Will be probably the first and the last chinese infra project in Vietnam.

How many years has the Japanese one taken already? when will it be finished?

 

[Viet]

How many years has the Japanese one taken already? when will it be finished?

Just a bit delay I have full trust in Japan.
will fish in due time we need more patience.

They offer old trains as stopgap. The trains are still good for 50y.

The French train project is faster though.

 

[beijingwalker]

Just a bit delay I have full trust in Japan.
will fish in due time we need more patience.

How long is a bit?

Earlier proposals (2001–2012)
Revised plan and construction (2013–present)

In December 2020, it was reported that one of the Elastomeric Laminated Bearing pads, which hold up the concrete beams of the viaducts for Line 1, had fallen off, causing one of the beams to be displaced and crack. Research on the incident is still being done by the contractor.

On 8 September 2021, the Management Authority for Urban Railways (MAUR) announced that Line 1 will be further delayed.

 

[tower9]

Just a bit delay I have full trust in Japan.
will fish in due time we need more patience.
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They offer old trains as stopgap. The trains are still good for 50y.
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The French train project is faster though.
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So basically the Japanese project is taking longer, will cost more and they are giving you fifty year old trains. But you think it’s great. Yeah man you sound very objective.

 

[beijingwalker]

So basically the Japanese project is taking longer, will cost more and they are giving you fifty year old trains. But you think it’s great. Yeah man you sound very objective.

Laos now has much better trains and railways than Vietnam

Vientiane station of China-Laos Railway officially debuts in Laos.

Vientiane station of China-Laos Railway officially debuts in Laos.

defence.pk

 

[Viet]

How long is a bit?


In December 2020, it was reported that one of the Elastomeric Laminated Bearing pads, which hold up the concrete beams of the viaducts for Line 1, had fallen off, causing one of the beams to be displaced and crack. Research on the incident is still being done by the contractor.

On 8 September 2021, the Management Authority for Urban Railways (MAUR) announced that Line 1 will be further delayed.

They say first metro will come something 2023 or 2025,

Laos now has much better trains and railways than Vietnam

Vientiane station of China-Laos Railway officially debuts in Laos.

Vientiane station of China-Laos Railway officially debuts in Laos.

defence.pk

But made in Japan lasts longer.

 

[beijingwalker]

They say first metro will come something 2023 or 2025,

But made in Japan lasts longer.

2023 or 2025 or....At least Chinese backed trains are in operation now, and we don't know how many "or"s are they going to say in the future, I really admire your people's patience.


Ho Chi Minh City will pay Japanese contractor to keep metro work going

HCMC will use its own budget this month to pay Japanese contractor Sumitomo Corporation for work done on first metro line. While waiting for funds that its supposed to receive from the central government, the city will use more than $86 million USD from its own budget to pay for the work that the contractor has completed during last year and this year.

Nguyen Thanh Phong, HCMC Municipal Chairman, told Toshiko Abe, Japan’s Minister for Foreign Affairs at a recent meeting that: "The city will do its best to make the payment before February 1."

Last November, Japanese Ambassador to Vietnam, Umeda Kunio, sent a letter sent to the government, ministries and the HCMC People’s Committee. In the letter, the ambassador said that the city owed the the Japanese contractor more than $100 million USD and that if the city failed to pay that bill by the end of 2018, the contractor might have to stop its work,

Ambassador Kunio said the Vietnamese government and HCMC had been "seriously" late in disbursing funds for the Ben Thanh - Suoi Tien metro line, even after the problem had been discussed several times by the governments of Japan and Vietnam. Before Vietnam's authorities received that letter, the HCMC Urban Railways Management Authority had said it needed $96.52 million USD from the city's budget to pay the contractor.

This will be the fifth time the city is making an advance payment (before getting funds from the central government) for the contractor of its first metro line since 2017.
At the end of 2018 the city had made payments of $141 million USD, but said it has only received $25.41 million USD from the central government.

Construction work on HCMC’s first metro line started in August 2012. It will runs 20 kilometers through the five districts of 1, 2, 9, Binh Thanh and Thu Duc, as well as Di An District in the neighboring province of Binh Duong. It will run underground from Ben Thanh Market for 2.6 km past the Opera House and Ba Son Shipyard, and then cross the Saigon River on an elevated track that passes through District 2 on the way to Suoi Tien Park and the terminus at Long Binh in District 9.

The metro line was originally approved by the city back in 2007, and was to be built using official development assistance (ODA) from the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA), but a delay in approving a revised plan to adjust the investment cost upwards has resulted in a lack of funding for the project.

The initial cost of the project was estimated at $740 million USD. At this estimate, the project did not fall under the category that needs to be reviewed by the National Assembly (NA), Vietnam’s national legislative body. In 2009, consultants recalculated the investment needed at $2 billion USD.

In 2011, the Prime Minister agreed that HCMC could revise the original estimate, but the increased costs pushed the project into the category needing NA approval. The metro system is now considered a key national project requiring the NA’s approval before the government makes any financial decision.

The central government early this month had eventually approved an upward revision in the cost of the line, but it’s not clear when the funding will be disbursed to the city administration. Based upon the project being of “national interest”, officials of the central government have said that while that approval is pending, there is no point in conducting capital assessment and investment disbursement surveys.

 

[Viet]

2023 or 2025 or....At least Chinese backed trains are in operation now, and we don't know how many "or"s are they going to say in the future, I really admire your people's patience.


Ho Chi Minh City will pay Japanese contractor to keep metro work going

First metro is 80 pct complete. Works on 5 other metros will start soon. Problem is money.
It’s a $25 billion project for Saigon.
We are unfortunately not rich China.
If we can find oil in South China Sea problem is solved.

 

[beijingwalker]

First metro is 80 pct complete. Works on 5 other metros will start soon. Problem is money.
It’s a $25 billion project for Saigon.
We are unfortunately not rich China.

You own choice, Japan's metro system is just a fraction of China's, they don't really have much experience in building railways and metros due to its small size and the cost is exorbitantly high, but it seems you have a lot of money to spend

Japanese metro in Vietnam is one third more costly than the Chinese one, let's wait and see what this super expensive metro will be like and if it's really worth this price tag.

 

[tower9]

They say first metro will come something 2023 or 2025,

But made in Japan lasts longer.
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Not necessarily true any longer. China has the most advanced and biggest public transportation system in the world. I’m not saying Japan is bad, it’s still among the best but if you are going to say China is in any way inferior, you’re not being objective at all.

 

[beijingwalker]

Lao's bullet train railway system, constructed by China in 2016, 418 kilometers, completed in 5 years.
Hanoi metro, constructed by China in 2011, 13 kilometers, completed in 10 years

Both projects were undertaken by Chinese contractors , why the speed of construction is so different?