China as BULLY

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

china bully threads?
you want to fish in troubled water like 1962's war when we suffering "Three Years of Natural Disasters".

this is 4th or 5th thread about china bully. so there no need open so many threads about same topic.

 

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

i think it no need to make a sicky threads,all in all,it about SCS.

am not asking to make it sticky. just merge the threads.

 

[jkroo]

i think it no need to make a sicky threads,all in all,it about SCS.

Hehe, bro, no need to respond to this kind of stupid post.
Some people have such kind of delusions that is to change the 'claim' to reality. What a stupid and trolling suggestion.

 

[Pinoy]

I think that it would be fortuitous if both Taiwan and the Philippines sign a fishery agreement that emphasizes a rules-based-approach. This way it will prevent future incidents of the like. They should learn from Japan; we signed a fishery agreement with Taiwan recently.

There are Taiwanese fishermen that come into Japanese maritime domain, we arrest them, and release them if they post bail. There is no need to shoot them / kill them.

Yes there is

Philippines, Taiwan to sign fisheries pact, advance trade relations
2014/06/12

Taipei, June 12 (CNA) The Philippines and Taiwan will soon sign an agreement to cooperate on law enforcement in fisheries matters in overlapping economic waters, and will work to advance bilateral trade relations, the Philippines' representative to Taiwan said Thursday.

Although last year saw perhaps "the severest" test in bilateral ties, both sides have made efforts to overcome difficulties in relations, said Antonio Basilio at an event to celebrate the Philippines' national day in Taipei.

He pointed out, as an example, that both countries are in the final stage of concluding an agreement on cooperating in law enforcement on fisheries.

Since last year, Taiwan and the Philippines have been discussing an agreement on maritime law enforcement cooperation, after a Taiwanese fisherman was shot dead on May 9, 2013 by Philippine Coast Guard officers in an overlapping exclusive economic zone of the two countries.

The shooting and the Philippines' initial handling of it caused relations to plunge to their worst level in years, with Taiwan imposing a freeze on hiring Filipino migrant workers among other sanctions.

During a series of fishery meetings following the shooting incident, both sides reached consensus on several issues regarding maritime law enforcement cooperation.

These include no use of force or violence when patrolling fishing grounds, the establishment of a mechanism to inform each other in the event of fishery incidents, and the release of detained fishermen and boats as soon as possible.

Taiwan's Deputy Foreign Minister Ting Joseph Shih, who also attended the event, said once the agreement is signed, the safety of fishermen from both countries will be further protected.

Meanwhile, Basilio noted bilateral efforts to further trade relations between the two countries.

"Toward the last quarter of this year, we will convene our Joint Economic Committee to discuss ways to expand trade and investments," including the assessment of the results of respective research on the feasibility of an economic partnership agreement, he said.

Taiwan is the Philippines' closest neighbor and has been an important partner for the Southeast Asian country, Basilio told hundreds of participants in the event, including many foreign officials based in Taiwan.

Taiwan is also the sixth largest trade partner for the Philippines, according to Basilio.

Echoing Basilio's remarks, Shih said he hopes that the two countries will sign an economic cooperation agreement and enhance cooperation in other areas.

This year marks the 116th anniversary of the Philippine Independence Day.

(By Elaine Hou)

Philippines, Taiwan to sign fisheries pact, advance trade relations | Politics | FOCUS TAIWAN - CNA ENGLISH NEWS

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes there is

Great! Thanks for the update!

 

[Malaya]

Batanes islands being a part of Philippine has not been in question as the treaties of American and Spanish, Philippine constitution did not provide sufficient proofs for its position, thus, the islands have more reasons to belong to China.

Seriously have you taken your medicine yet?

 

[Pinoy]

According to USA-Spain Paris treaty in 1898, Washing treaty in 1900, and USA-UK treaty in 1930, Philippine territory should be limited between longitude east 118-127 degree.
South China See is none of Philippine's any business.
Philippine is a thief, who shamelessly declared that his neighbor's yard was discovered by its citizens so that he can legally steal others' territory.

Every years, philippine drug smugglers are reported to be arrested in airport, then be sentenced to death according to China's law. Every times, Philippine president will appeal for these drug criminals' lives, but in vain as the result.

Every Chinese dead will result in one hundred Filippino dead, wait and see.

Spare me from your moronic comment. If China really owns the whole sea and islands as you claim then you have nothing to fear and you should face us in the UN. Simple as that!

 

[Malaya]

Moron can be so cheap and common for Filipinos. oh, they are not so smart to remember everything important in their documents.
It is an insult to China as agreeing to be at the same court with a thief who has been so bold.


When China declared 11,9-dash lines, there were no such states called, Philippine, Vietnam, and Malaysia, needless to say UNCLOS.
Obey the rules before your thieves were born.

You are just a brainless flying over. I suggest you need to refine your trolling technique so you can bait more posters.

Ciao!

 

[Malaya]

Bully behavior

It’s classic bully behavior: You confront the aggressor for his propensity to throw his weight around and elbow everyone out of his way, and he tries to turn the tables on you by painting himself as the victim and complaining that you started the whole fight. You band together with others who have been at the receiving end of his boorish moves, and he claims he’s being ganged up on. Everything is about ,him; he’s right and everyone else is wrong.

Such is China these days. The resurgent country is becoming less and less inhibited in displaying its sense of entitlement and hubris, never mind if its muscle-flexing is creating a flashpoint of instability and disorder in the corner of the world it inhabits with other countries. Its latest broadside against the Philippines and Vietnam, two countries with which it has been in dispute over the ownership of certain islands and atolls in the South China Sea, smacks of the arrogance and disingenuousness that have characterized its treatment of its neighbors over this highly sensitive issue.

Reacting to news that Philippine and Vietnamese troops recently engaged in friendly sports matches on a disputed island controlled by Vietnam in the Spratlys, the Chinese foreign ministry let loose with tart remarks. “Don’t you think that these small tricks conducted by the Philippines and Vietnam are nothing but a farce?” said spokeswoman Hua Chunying. She insisted that the two parties should “refrain from taking any actions that may complicate or magnify the dispute.” After all, she claimed, using China’s term for the Spratlys, China “exercises indisputable sovereignty over the Nansha Islands and adjacent waters.”

If this weren’t a tinderbox of an issue that could spell violent conflict in the region, one is tempted to laugh off China’s ridiculous protestations. The “farce” is not that two smaller countries have chosen to forge ties in the face of a common aggressor, it’s that the bully in their midst is unable, or unwilling, to see how his brusque, destabilizing behavior is in fact what’s goading those around him to find common cause and strength.
What has the Philippines and Vietnam in common these days? They’ve both had run-ins with the Chinese—the Philippine Coast Guard nearly blockaded and chased off from bringing supplies to the Filipino troops stationed on Ayungin Shoal, and two Vietnamese ships attacked with water cannon and damaged in the latest confrontation between the two countries. China’s fishermen have been discovered wantonly harvesting endangered marine animals from waters that are within the Philippines’ 370-kilometer exclusive economic zone, which is recognized under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Nearer Vietnam, in the Paracel chain of islands, China has deployed an oil rig, angering Hanoi and inevitably heightening tensions in the area. And the latest reconnaissance photos disclosed by Philippine authorities show China apparently reclaiming land around Gavin and Calderon reefs—all actions that, as any reasonable observer would know, can only “complicate or magnify the dispute.”

But China continues to maintain its bully posture, belligerently refusing to submit to the arbitration case filed by the Philippines in the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea, and constantly insisting on its “indisputable sovereignty” over nearly 90 percent of the 3.5-million-square-kilometer South China Sea, never mind that such a sweeping claim is precisely the root of the dispute. The Philippines has chosen the honorable, peaceful road by asking the United Nations to arbitrate the conflicting claims; China insists it would consider bilateral talks only, but that any negotiation would have to proceed from that one “indisputable” premise—that China has historical ownership of the waters and islands, and other claimant-countries can only beg for scraps like vassal states. Farce? Right.

Shinzo Abe, the prime minister of Japan, has cautioned about “efforts to alter the territorial status quo through force or coercion.” China should take heed of that warning, as more and more countries around it are forced into a defensive stance by its bully behavior. If the Middle Kingdom wants to be a respected superpower, then it must learn to respect its neighboring countries, and more importantly, the rule of law at sea.


Bully behavior | Inquirer Opinion

 

[sincity]

China will have to flex her muscle sooner than later. Better to flex her muscle at the moment of the Ukraine, Syria, Irag crisis because US government can't effectively intervent in all the crisis at the same time. Some nations will be left out in the cold by the US foreign policy.

 

[Malaya]

The Newest Bully On The Block? China
By Wall Street Daily | Market Overview | Jun 25, 2014

Lately, the news has been obsessed with two topics: Iraq and the Russia-Ukraine fiasco. In fact, we’re even guilty of it here, too.

But in the midst of this media barrage, another important story just about slipped through the cracks… even though it has implications just as powerful as the stories getting more air time.

You see, while ISIS has been conquering Iraq and Moscow has been bullying Kiev, China has been quietly flexing its muscle in the South China Sea.

Specifically, the Chinese have been moving oil rigs into disputed territories and drilling for oil… all while ignoring the protests of the surrounding nations.

And considering that a minor skirmish in the Gulf of Tonkin launched the Vietnam War, could China’s aggression possibly spark a new World War?

Neighboring countries such as Vietnam and the Philippines have cited a 2002 accord between the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China that created a nonbinding code of conduct, in order to “consolidate and develop the friendship and cooperation existing between their people and governments with the view to promoting a 21stcentury-oriented partnership of good neighbors and mutual trust.”

But China’s aggressive moves directly violate the spirit of that code, even if it was nonbinding.

A Sea of Peace No Longer

In fact, the Chinese announced last Friday that they would be moving a second rig near Vietnam’s coastline, even though the two countries have yet to resolve a dispute over the first rig that China moved into territory that Vietnam calls its own.

The dispute has sparked deadly riots in Vietnam – with protestors targeting Chinese factories – and has also created immense friction between the Chinese and Vietnamese navies. However, with China’s clear military and economic advantage, it’s doubtful that Vietnam could force China to move its rig.

Meanwhile, most analysts believe that China’s aim is not just Vietnam’s territory, but in fact the majority of the South China Sea, a resource-rich area that The New York Times calls “a vital waterway for international commerce.”

In recent years, China has been bolstering its navy in hopes of becoming a maritime super power, and the country now has three fleets, a class of nuclear submarines, and one aircraft carrier. In light of that information, the timing of China’s aggressive expansion in the region is probably not a coincidence.

Between its newfound economic prosperity and its budding military, China sees an opportunity to outmuscle the much smaller countries that also share a border along the South China Sea.

U.S. Defense Secretary, Chuck Hagel, said that “China has called the South China Sea ‘a sea of peace, friendship and co-operation,’ and that’s what it should be. But in recent months, China has undertaken destabilizing, unilateral actions asserting its claims in the South China Sea.”

In fact, the country has been hard at work moving sand and rock into the Spratly archipelago – another contested region in the waterway – to create small islands on the shoals that could support military installations and surveillance equipment.

That has caused speculation that China may, in fact, want to force the U.S. navy out of the South Pacific, a region it has dominated since World War II.

At this point, it’s hard to tell what China’s end goal is. For the moment, it’s busy positioning oil rigs and searching for valuable resources. But the developments in the South China Sea are dubious, at best, and Obama must be watchful going forward.

In Pursuit of the Truth,

 

[areal]

The author must be well paid. Not China bullies anybody else, just gets its own thing back.
Be aware, thieves.

The Newest Bully On The Block? China
By Wall Street Daily | Market Overview | Jun 25, 2014

Lately, the news has been obsessed with two topics: Iraq and the Russia-Ukraine fiasco. In fact, we’re even guilty of it here, too.

But in the midst of this media barrage, another important story just about slipped through the cracks… even though it has implications just as powerful as the stories getting more air time.

You see, while ISIS has been conquering Iraq and Moscow has been bullying Kiev, China has been quietly flexing its muscle in the South China Sea.

Specifically, the Chinese have been moving oil rigs into disputed territories and drilling for oil… all while ignoring the protests of the surrounding nations.

And considering that a minor skirmish in the Gulf of Tonkin launched the Vietnam War, could China’s aggression possibly spark a new World War?

Neighboring countries such as Vietnam and the Philippines have cited a 2002 accord between the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China that created a nonbinding code of conduct, in order to “consolidate and develop the friendship and cooperation existing between their people and governments with the view to promoting a 21stcentury-oriented partnership of good neighbors and mutual trust.”

But China’s aggressive moves directly violate the spirit of that code, even if it was nonbinding.

A Sea of Peace No Longer

In fact, the Chinese announced last Friday that they would be moving a second rig near Vietnam’s coastline, even though the two countries have yet to resolve a dispute over the first rig that China moved into territory that Vietnam calls its own.

The dispute has sparked deadly riots in Vietnam – with protestors targeting Chinese factories – and has also created immense friction between the Chinese and Vietnamese navies. However, with China’s clear military and economic advantage, it’s doubtful that Vietnam could force China to move its rig.

Meanwhile, most analysts believe that China’s aim is not just Vietnam’s territory, but in fact the majority of the South China Sea, a resource-rich area that The New York Times calls “a vital waterway for international commerce.”

In recent years, China has been bolstering its navy in hopes of becoming a maritime super power, and the country now has three fleets, a class of nuclear submarines, and one aircraft carrier. In light of that information, the timing of China’s aggressive expansion in the region is probably not a coincidence.

Between its newfound economic prosperity and its budding military, China sees an opportunity to outmuscle the much smaller countries that also share a border along the South China Sea.

U.S. Defense Secretary, Chuck Hagel, said that “China has called the South China Sea ‘a sea of peace, friendship and co-operation,’ and that’s what it should be. But in recent months, China has undertaken destabilizing, unilateral actions asserting its claims in the South China Sea.”

In fact, the country has been hard at work moving sand and rock into the Spratly archipelago – another contested region in the waterway – to create small islands on the shoals that could support military installations and surveillance equipment.

That has caused speculation that China may, in fact, want to force the U.S. navy out of the South Pacific, a region it has dominated since World War II.

At this point, it’s hard to tell what China’s end goal is. For the moment, it’s busy positioning oil rigs and searching for valuable resources. But the developments in the South China Sea are dubious, at best, and Obama must be watchful going forward.

In Pursuit of the Truth,

 

[Bob Ong]

There are many Chinese in Philippines but there are no Filipino in China mainland. This fact indirectly tells us where the boundary of the two countries is. And it proves the nine-dashed line is reasonable.

The fact that China "updated" its map proves that it cannot prove your case based on your "ancient map."

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

when Chinese began to govern south china sea, those Malay peoples were living on the tree. how can those people claim SCS belong to them? the world is crazy

 

[Aepsilons]

@Indos , @madokafc , @sukarno , @Nusantara ,your input.