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As China Arms Pakistan, India Trains Vietnamese Soldiers In Jungle Warfare
All India | Written by Vishnu Som | Updated: March 16, 2017 20:48 IST

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Soldiers of the Vietnamese army train with the Indian Army in Mizoram.

HIGHLIGHTS
  1. Three soldiers of Vietnam army training in Mizoram with Indian soldiers
  2. Comes amid concerns of Chinese muscle-flexing in Himalayas, Indian Ocean
  3. Reachout to Vietnam part of concerted effort to counter influence


VAIRENGTE, MIZORAM: Deep in the forests around the town of Vairengte in Mizoram, three soldiers of the Vietnamese Army are on the hunt for "terrorists". They approach their targets slowly, taking cover behind rocks before opening fire with Indian-made INSAS rifles. This could be a counter-insurgency operation anywhere in the world.

Except, the targets aren't real.

They're pop-up targets which appear amidst the undergrowth at a jungle warfare range of the Indian Army's Counter Insurgence and Jungle Warfare School.

The soldiers don't look too unlike their Indian colleagues. One of them is wearing Indian Army fatigues, while the other two have Vietnamese Army standard issue jungle camouflage.

Significantly, all three are Vietnamese Army officers and the skills they pick up here will be transferred to regular infantry soldiers of the Vietnam Army, an Army which fought a full-fledged border-war with China in 1979 in which tens of thousands of lives were lost.


Since then, Hanoi's relationship with Beijing has been patchy. While economic ties have significantly improved, Vietnam has grave concerns over China's expansion in the South China Sea where Beijing has been constructing artificial reefs along the Spratley and Paracel chain of islands, a move that has been bitterly contested by several regional countries and India as well. A strong mutual distrust also characterises relations between the people of the two countries, the legacy of a bitter past.

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Vietnamese soldiers say the training will help them improve counter-insurgency operations.

Though training three officers of a friendly partner-nation is not uncommon, the context of this training is critical. India is deeply concerned about an expansionist China whether along the long frontier along the Himalayas or, more recently, in the Indian Ocean region where Beijing has been operating nuclear submarines with increasing frequency besides drastically stepping up its military cooperation with not just Pakistan, India's traditional rival, but also Bangladesh and Myanmar.



On Sunday, Bangladesh's Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina officially commissioned two Chinese-made submarines, the Nabajatra and Joyjatra, the first submarines to enter the fleet of the Bangladesh Navy. And across the Indian peninsula, there are reports that China may be prepared to deploy thousands of marines to defend the deep water port of Gwadar port in Pakistan constructed with Chinese funding, key to the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) which extends to China's Xinjiang province through Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

China is also in the process of selling the Pakistan Navy eight diesel-electric submarines at a cost of at least $5 billion, the largest ever military export deal China will have closed.

Worried at the growing strategic presence of China in India's traditional areas of interest, New Delhi has begun a small but concerted counter-offensive. Vietnam is a key part of that. In addition to training soldiers, New Delhi has offered Hanoi the state-of-the-art BrahMos supersonic anti-ship missile, the extended range version of which was tested last week.

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India has also offered Vietnam its state-of-the-art BrahMos missile.

The missile, which can strike targets on land or out at sea travels at speeds nearly three times the speed of sound and can hit targets 400 km away. This missile system represents a serious threat to any Chinese Naval operations in the South China Sea.

New Delhi has also reportedly offered Hanoi the indigenous Akash Surface to Air Missile system now in service with the Indian Air Force. Vietnamese sailors are also being trained to operate Russian Kilo class diesel electric submarines at INS Satvahana, the Navy's submarine training school in Visakhapatnam.

Both India and Vietnam operate the same class of submarine though India has decades of experience in operating the type, experience which the Vietnamese Navy sorely lacks.

Back at the Army's Jungle Warfare School in Mizoram, the three officers of the Vietnamese Army share their experiences of being in India and training with the Indian Army in broken English. Captain Sun, a young officer said, "I like India. India is very good. India is a beautiful country. And India is friendly. They help me in many things." And perhaps, more significantly, "The training is very good. I think that after this training, I know many, many things about counter-insurgency and counter-terrorist operations. It is very useful for operations in my country."
 
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As China Arms Pakistan, India Trains Vietnamese Soldiers In Jungle Warfare
All India | Written by Vishnu Som | Updated: March 16, 2017 20:48 IST

vietnam-soldiers-india_650x400_81489675328.jpg

Soldiers of the Vietnamese army train with the Indian Army in Mizoram.

HIGHLIGHTS
  1. Three soldiers of Vietnam army training in Mizoram with Indian soldiers
  2. Comes amid concerns of Chinese muscle-flexing in Himalayas, Indian Ocean
  3. Reachout to Vietnam part of concerted effort to counter influence


VAIRENGTE, MIZORAM: Deep in the forests around the town of Vairengte in Mizoram, three soldiers of the Vietnamese Army are on the hunt for "terrorists". They approach their targets slowly, taking cover behind rocks before opening fire with Indian-made INSAS rifles. This could be a counter-insurgency operation anywhere in the world.

Except, the targets aren't real.

They're pop-up targets which appear amidst the undergrowth at a jungle warfare range of the Indian Army's Counter Insurgence and Jungle Warfare School.

The soldiers don't look too unlike their Indian colleagues. One of them is wearing Indian Army fatigues, while the other two have Vietnamese Army standard issue jungle camouflage.

Significantly, all three are Vietnamese Army officers and the skills they pick up here will be transferred to regular infantry soldiers of the Vietnam Army, an Army which fought a full-fledged border-war with China in 1979 in which tens of thousands of lives were lost.


Since then, Hanoi's relationship with Beijing has been patchy. While economic ties have significantly improved, Vietnam has grave concerns over China's expansion in the South China Sea where Beijing has been constructing artificial reefs along the Spratley and Paracel chain of islands, a move that has been bitterly contested by several regional countries and India as well. A strong mutual distrust also characterises relations between the people of the two countries, the legacy of a bitter past.

vietnam-soldiers-india_650x400_71489675422.jpg

Vietnamese soldiers say the training will help them improve counter-insurgency operations.

Though training three officers of a friendly partner-nation is not uncommon, the context of this training is critical. India is deeply concerned about an expansionist China whether along the long frontier along the Himalayas or, more recently, in the Indian Ocean region where Beijing has been operating nuclear submarines with increasing frequency besides drastically stepping up its military cooperation with not just Pakistan, India's traditional rival, but also Bangladesh and Myanmar.



On Sunday, Bangladesh's Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina officially commissioned two Chinese-made submarines, the Nabajatra and Joyjatra, the first submarines to enter the fleet of the Bangladesh Navy. And across the Indian peninsula, there are reports that China may be prepared to deploy thousands of marines to defend the deep water port of Gwadar port in Pakistan constructed with Chinese funding, key to the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) which extends to China's Xinjiang province through Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

China is also in the process of selling the Pakistan Navy eight diesel-electric submarines at a cost of at least $5 billion, the largest ever military export deal China will have closed.

Worried at the growing strategic presence of China in India's traditional areas of interest, New Delhi has begun a small but concerted counter-offensive. Vietnam is a key part of that. In addition to training soldiers, New Delhi has offered Hanoi the state-of-the-art BrahMos supersonic anti-ship missile, the extended range version of which was tested last week.

guided-missile-destroyer-fires-brahmos_650x400_81486547212.jpg

India has also offered Vietnam its state-of-the-art BrahMos missile.

The missile, which can strike targets on land or out at sea travels at speeds nearly three times the speed of sound and can hit targets 400 km away. This missile system represents a serious threat to any Chinese Naval operations in the South China Sea.

New Delhi has also reportedly offered Hanoi the indigenous Akash Surface to Air Missile system now in service with the Indian Air Force. Vietnamese sailors are also being trained to operate Russian Kilo class diesel electric submarines at INS Satvahana, the Navy's submarine training school in Visakhapatnam.

Both India and Vietnam operate the same class of submarine though India has decades of experience in operating the type, experience which the Vietnamese Navy sorely lacks.

Back at the Army's Jungle Warfare School in Mizoram, the three officers of the Vietnamese Army share their experiences of being in India and training with the Indian Army in broken English. Captain Sun, a young officer said, "I like India. India is very good. India is a beautiful country. And India is friendly. They help me in many things." And perhaps, more significantly, "The training is very good. I think that after this training, I know many, many things about counter-insurgency and counter-terrorist operations. It is very useful for operations in my country."

loomri ki jub mot aati hay to woh ...........
“The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.” – Archilochus
 
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At first glance i did not read vietnamese in second line and was wondering why China is arming Pakistani and Indian trains.
 
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Vietnam stopped US forces and then China at the border and Vietnam is being trained by India in jungle warfare?? It will be a major regression for Vietnam. Vietnam should be training the Indians.
 
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It will be a major regression for Vietnam. Vietnam should be training the Indians.

Same thing I was thinking. :lol:

How the heck can India train Vietnam in jungle warfare when it itself can't even clean up it's own house? (Insurgency in East/North-East India).

Maybe the Indians are arming Vietnamese? That makes more sense. China arms Pakistan, India arms Vietnam. ;)

Other than that, what does India gain from arming Vietnam? The Vietnamese can't invade China or fight a limited warfare against the Chinese, what they will be asking for is a can of butt whooping. :D (and the gradual control of their EEZ :azn:).

Maybe China can invade Vietnam on pretext of initial Vietnamese attack. This time though, since there will be a major technology difference (and some training/experience difference too) the Chinese may overcome the Vietnamese.
 
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Same thing I was thinking. :lol:

How the heck can India train Vietnam in jungle warfare when it itself can't even clean up it's own house? (Insurgency in East/North-East India).

Maybe the Indians are arming Vietnamese? That makes more sense. China arms Pakistan, India arms Vietnam. ;)

Other than that, what does India gain from arming Vietnam? The Vietnamese can't invade China or fight a limited warfare against the Chinese, what they will be asking for is a can of butt whooping. :D (and the gradual control of their EEZ :azn:).

Maybe China can invade Vietnam on pretext of initial Vietnamese attack. This time though, since there will be a major technology difference (and some training/experience difference too) the Chinese may overcome the Vietnamese.

One thing that Indians are ahead of Vietnam and everyone else is bragging. If India wants to train Vietnam on bragging, it would make sense. But Vietnam is making a grave mistake if it allow Indians to train them in jungle warfare. India has zero experience except police action when it comes jungle warfare and India is even failing. Vietnamese army is renown for jungle warfare ability. India must be so good at bragging to convince the Vietnam to train from Indians..


or instead of bragging, it's conning. India just conned Vietnam.
 
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Vietnam stopped US forces and then China at the border and Vietnam is being trained by India in jungle warfare?? It will be a major regression for Vietnam. Vietnam should be training the Indians.
Tell these to Vietnam. I think they are looking for your advice. Maybe you should apply for top post.
 
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Vietnam stopped US forces and then China at the border and Vietnam is being trained by India in jungle warfare?? It will be a major regression for Vietnam. Vietnam should be training the Indians.

Vietnamese should be the ones training Indians :omghaha:

Same thing I was thinking. :lol:

How the heck can India train Vietnam in jungle warfare when it itself can't even clean up it's own house? (Insurgency in East/North-East India).

Not only vietnamese even US forces have trained at the Jungle Warfare School

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-pape...-Indian-jungle-war-school/article15279678.ece
 
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Not only vietnamese even US forces have trained at the Jungle Warfare School

If Martian were to land on Earth tomorrow & train in your JWS, would it add to your credibility for Jungle Warfare?

Simply, no. The Vietnamese have actual experience in Jungle Warfare (read up on the Vietnam War & the Sino-Vietnamese War). In both cases they beat back adversaries 2x their size.

On the other hand, we have India, which can't even eliminate Naxal insurgencies in Jungle & then brags to world "Oh look, so & so came to our JWS" pathetic :D
 
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