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China and Russia have learned well from failed U.S. promises

How can egyptians show is in 2300 bc tombs then as already equals?

Our civilisation started 3600 bc



You make me laugh. Christianity is Greek. The entire religion was twisted and bend into greek mythology.

On a sidenote english is a latin language which is based...on greek. You even write with letters here based on ours.

Oh and btw nobody watchs english movies in europe. They are all synchronized to the specific country.

3600 BC? Please give me evidence that Greece had written in 3600 BC.

As far as I know, the earliest Greek character is linear b, which appeared in 1100 BC.


Let me tell you the standards of the four ancient civilizations. The earliest characters found in China come from 6000 BC:

Even Chinese civilization and Indian civilization are relatively young among the four major civilizations, not as good as Egyptian civilization and two river civilization.
 
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3600 BC? Please give me evidence that Greece had written in 3600 BC.

As far as I know, the earliest Greek character is linear b, which appeared in 1100 BC.


Let me tell you the standards of the four ancient civilizations. The earliest characters found in China come from 6000 BC:

Even Chinese civilization and Indian civilization are relatively young among the four major civilizations, not as good as Egyptian civilization and two river civilization.

You answer your own question. If there is Linear B....there is also Linear A. Which still is not deciphered.

Before that was a writing system called cretan hieroglyphs


Oldest found so far is from 2100 bc, which correlates with egyptian pyramides.

Also its still undeciphered

We obviously already had a huge maritime network by even 5000 bc. Something that would be impossible without civilisation.

This is from this times, does this look uncivilized to you?

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China and Russia have learned well from failed U.S. promises

History shows Beijing and Moscow cannot always trust what Washington says

After the West’s broken promises, including pledges not to expand NATO's influence into Russia’s buffer states, Russian and Chinese leaders are no longer inclined to believe their assurances of peaceful intentions.  | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERS's influence into Russia’s buffer states, Russian and Chinese leaders are no longer inclined to believe their assurances of peaceful intentions.  | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERSAfter the West’s broken promises, including pledges not to expand NATO's influence into Russia’s buffer states, Russian and Chinese leaders are no longer inclined to believe their assurances of peaceful intentions.  | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERS

Japantimes

BY RAMESH THAKUR

  • Feb 16, 2022

Western analysts fear a failure to check Russia’s revanchist ambitions will serve to embolden China in the axis of autocracies. On Feb. 4, on the opening day of the Winter Olympics in Beijing that was boycotted by Western diplomats, Presidents Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin declared a “no limits” partnership and backed each other on Ukraine and Taiwan.

A second narrative holds that increased U.S. military presence will reassure NATO allies and check Russian belligerence, but only at the cost of distracting America from the bigger strategic challenge of China in the Indo-Pacific, most imminently in Taiwan.

Given China’s dramatic expansion of military might and economic strength, U.S. promises to defend Taiwan against attack might prove hollow.

A fall of Taiwan would vastly complicate U.S. efforts to help defend Japan and others on the one hand, while greatly enlarging China’s scope to project power closer to U.S. and allied territories on the other.

An alternative narrative is that the biggest lessons China has drawn are from the history of U.S. policies after the end of the Cold War during a period of unchallengeable primacy.

Eastern Europe has been the historic gateway for Western attacks on Russia, including the bitter invasions by Napoleon and Hitler that are seared into that nation’s consciousness. Hence the critical role of buffer states as a protective shield.

On Feb. 9, 1990, U.S. Secretary of State James Baker assured Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would expand “not one inch eastward.” Based on multiple similar assurances from Western leaders, former CIA director Robert Gates wrote, Gorbachev was “led to believe” that NATO’s eastward expansion “wouldn’t happen.” Making the mistake of assuming good faith behind the assurances, Gorbachev agreed to the peaceful reunification of West and East Germany and the unified state’s eventual NATO membership.

Other top officials, however, insisted that the U.S. priority was to see Russia collapse into “a third-rate power.” By 2004 NATO troops were “within spitting distance of Russia,” former U.K. Ambassador to Moscow Rodric Braithwaite said in the Financial Times on Feb. 2. In a retrospective analysis last August, Braithwaite wrote: “Russians believed they had been double-crossed. They were shocked by NATO’s bombing of Serbia in 1999 — a foretaste, they feared, of what Russia itself might expect.”

Russians ridicule claims of NATO being purely defensive — which NATO member was attacked by Serbia in 1999? — and concluded that in 2014, Ukraine was transformed from a buffer for Russia into a barrier between it and Europe.

The bigger fear still, as Putin wrote in a long article last July, is that “Ukraine was dragged into a dangerous geopolitical game” by the West in order to turn it into “a springboard against Russia.” Hence Russia’s red line: no NATO membership for Ukraine, now or ever; and the related demand that NATO cut troop numbers in Eastern Europe. Else Moscow must think the unthinkable: regime change in Kiev into a more pro-Russian one or subjugation of Ukraine by force of arms.

To Western commentators the principle is non-negotiable that Ukraine as a sovereign state has the right to enter into security alliance with anyone else. In the eyes of Russians and Chinese officials, this is hypocrisy based in historical amnesia about the U.S. refusal to accept just such an exercise of sovereignty by Cuba in the 1962 missile crisis. The principle has also proven remarkably malleable in all the Western powers’ Taiwan policy where China has long exercised a veto over recognition, exchange of embassies and even Taiwan’s membership of international organizations.

Three other major episodes from recent international history are also relevant. In 1986 the World Court ruled for Nicaragua and against the U.S. for its campaign of destabilization of the Sandinista regime, but Washington simply dismissed the adverse ruling.

In 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush introduced the legal innovation of “unsigning” U.S. membership from the International Criminal Court. In 2018 President Donald Trump withdrew from the nuclear deal with Iran — in which China and Russia had invested political capital — even though it had been negotiated by the previous U.S. administration and unanimously endorsed by the U.N. Security Council. This made the U.S. an unreliable and untrustworthy great power with which to negotiate.

Let us not forget either how Beijing was shocked by the NATO bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999. Senior Chinese officials insisted to me back then that it was inconceivable that this could have been an accident and indeed, they were convinced that not just the embassy but the ambassador’s residence had been deliberately targeted. The conclusion drawn was that the existing norm of nonintervention, regarded by most countries as a peremptory norm from which no exception was permitted, had been violated by the U.S.-led NATO in the moment of Russia’s geopolitical weakness and vulnerability.

Moreover, the claim to an emerging new norm of “humanitarian intervention” by Western powers further showed they were using their geopolitical primacy to rewrite the rules of the international order regardless of other countries’ sensibilities and interests, even if the latter were in the majority.

I have also been present in intimate discussions after the international tribunal ruled against China in 2016 in the maritime dispute with the Philippines, when a top Chinese official remarked that the U.S. was not a party to the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea but wanted to bind China by it. Maybe China should follow the U.S. example with the ICC and “unsign” UNCLOS, she said.

Most importantly, China must believe it cannot trust U.S. verbal promises to refrain from harmful action against core Chinese interests, nor the institutions designed to uphold and enforce international law. Washington has an unsavory record in weaponizing trade policy and abusing its dominance of international financial institutions to penalize those who refuse to kowtow to its diktats.

Claims to purely defensive motives notwithstanding, given the opportunity, Chinese leaders fear that not all future U.S. administrations will be able to resist the temptation to convert Taiwan into a launching pad for aggression against China. And, rather than be a mere rule breaker, China believes it must aim to become the preeminent rule maker and enforcer in a future Sino-centric global order.

That is the ultimate nightmare for Western countries. For the first time in several centuries, the global hegemon is poised to be a non-Western, non-English speaking, nondemocratic and noncapitalist civilization. There is little evidence thus far that the West can make the necessary psychological adjustment to learn to live in such a world.

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China and Russia have learned well from failed U.S. promises

History shows Beijing and Moscow cannot always trust what Washington says

After the West’s broken promises, including pledges not to expand NATO's influence into Russia’s buffer states, Russian and Chinese leaders are no longer inclined to believe their assurances of peaceful intentions.  | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERS's influence into Russia’s buffer states, Russian and Chinese leaders are no longer inclined to believe their assurances of peaceful intentions.  | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERSAfter the West’s broken promises, including pledges not to expand NATO's influence into Russia’s buffer states, Russian and Chinese leaders are no longer inclined to believe their assurances of peaceful intentions.  | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERS

Japantimes

BY RAMESH THAKUR

  • Feb 16, 2022

Western analysts fear a failure to check Russia’s revanchist ambitions will serve to embolden China in the axis of autocracies. On Feb. 4, on the opening day of the Winter Olympics in Beijing that was boycotted by Western diplomats, Presidents Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin declared a “no limits” partnership and backed each other on Ukraine and Taiwan.

A second narrative holds that increased U.S. military presence will reassure NATO allies and check Russian belligerence, but only at the cost of distracting America from the bigger strategic challenge of China in the Indo-Pacific, most imminently in Taiwan.

Given China’s dramatic expansion of military might and economic strength, U.S. promises to defend Taiwan against attack might prove hollow.

A fall of Taiwan would vastly complicate U.S. efforts to help defend Japan and others on the one hand, while greatly enlarging China’s scope to project power closer to U.S. and allied territories on the other.

An alternative narrative is that the biggest lessons China has drawn are from the history of U.S. policies after the end of the Cold War during a period of unchallengeable primacy.

Eastern Europe has been the historic gateway for Western attacks on Russia, including the bitter invasions by Napoleon and Hitler that are seared into that nation’s consciousness. Hence the critical role of buffer states as a protective shield.

On Feb. 9, 1990, U.S. Secretary of State James Baker assured Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would expand “not one inch eastward.” Based on multiple similar assurances from Western leaders, former CIA director Robert Gates wrote, Gorbachev was “led to believe” that NATO’s eastward expansion “wouldn’t happen.” Making the mistake of assuming good faith behind the assurances, Gorbachev agreed to the peaceful reunification of West and East Germany and the unified state’s eventual NATO membership.

Other top officials, however, insisted that the U.S. priority was to see Russia collapse into “a third-rate power.” By 2004 NATO troops were “within spitting distance of Russia,” former U.K. Ambassador to Moscow Rodric Braithwaite said in the Financial Times on Feb. 2. In a retrospective analysis last August, Braithwaite wrote: “Russians believed they had been double-crossed. They were shocked by NATO’s bombing of Serbia in 1999 — a foretaste, they feared, of what Russia itself might expect.”

Russians ridicule claims of NATO being purely defensive — which NATO member was attacked by Serbia in 1999? — and concluded that in 2014, Ukraine was transformed from a buffer for Russia into a barrier between it and Europe.

The bigger fear still, as Putin wrote in a long article last July, is that “Ukraine was dragged into a dangerous geopolitical game” by the West in order to turn it into “a springboard against Russia.” Hence Russia’s red line: no NATO membership for Ukraine, now or ever; and the related demand that NATO cut troop numbers in Eastern Europe. Else Moscow must think the unthinkable: regime change in Kiev into a more pro-Russian one or subjugation of Ukraine by force of arms.

To Western commentators the principle is non-negotiable that Ukraine as a sovereign state has the right to enter into security alliance with anyone else. In the eyes of Russians and Chinese officials, this is hypocrisy based in historical amnesia about the U.S. refusal to accept just such an exercise of sovereignty by Cuba in the 1962 missile crisis. The principle has also proven remarkably malleable in all the Western powers’ Taiwan policy where China has long exercised a veto over recognition, exchange of embassies and even Taiwan’s membership of international organizations.

Three other major episodes from recent international history are also relevant. In 1986 the World Court ruled for Nicaragua and against the U.S. for its campaign of destabilization of the Sandinista regime, but Washington simply dismissed the adverse ruling.

In 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush introduced the legal innovation of “unsigning” U.S. membership from the International Criminal Court. In 2018 President Donald Trump withdrew from the nuclear deal with Iran — in which China and Russia had invested political capital — even though it had been negotiated by the previous U.S. administration and unanimously endorsed by the U.N. Security Council. This made the U.S. an unreliable and untrustworthy great power with which to negotiate.

Let us not forget either how Beijing was shocked by the NATO bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999. Senior Chinese officials insisted to me back then that it was inconceivable that this could have been an accident and indeed, they were convinced that not just the embassy but the ambassador’s residence had been deliberately targeted. The conclusion drawn was that the existing norm of nonintervention, regarded by most countries as a peremptory norm from which no exception was permitted, had been violated by the U.S.-led NATO in the moment of Russia’s geopolitical weakness and vulnerability.

Moreover, the claim to an emerging new norm of “humanitarian intervention” by Western powers further showed they were using their geopolitical primacy to rewrite the rules of the international order regardless of other countries’ sensibilities and interests, even if the latter were in the majority.

I have also been present in intimate discussions after the international tribunal ruled against China in 2016 in the maritime dispute with the Philippines, when a top Chinese official remarked that the U.S. was not a party to the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea but wanted to bind China by it. Maybe China should follow the U.S. example with the ICC and “unsign” UNCLOS, she said.

Most importantly, China must believe it cannot trust U.S. verbal promises to refrain from harmful action against core Chinese interests, nor the institutions designed to uphold and enforce international law. Washington has an unsavory record in weaponizing trade policy and abusing its dominance of international financial institutions to penalize those who refuse to kowtow to its diktats.

Claims to purely defensive motives notwithstanding, given the opportunity, Chinese leaders fear that not all future U.S. administrations will be able to resist the temptation to convert Taiwan into a launching pad for aggression against China. And, rather than be a mere rule breaker, China believes it must aim to become the preeminent rule maker and enforcer in a future Sino-centric global order.

That is the ultimate nightmare for Western countries. For the first time in several centuries, the global hegemon is poised to be a non-Western, non-English speaking, nondemocratic and noncapitalist civilization. There is little evidence thus far that the West can make the necessary psychological adjustment to learn to live in such a world.

Too much misinformation
James baker was foreign minister he didn’t have any authority to promise anything. Only the US president can.
If the US or NATO made a promise then there should be a piece of paper. However there is none.

The only promise was made by Germany.
The Germans said no NATO troops or offensive weapons would ever station in East Germany.
 
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After World War II, the United States accounted for 56% of the world's GDP and 75% of the world's gold. The great power was similar to his culture, ending World War II, making the dollar the world currency and the United States an empire. There will be no second empire in the world. The Chinese government has also promised never to seek hegemony. There will be no second dollar in the future. A new world currency was found by the United Nations.
The future multipolar world is the European Union, ASEAN, African Union, SAARC, the United States, Russia, China, India, the future two Islamic alliances, and so on. No one can be an empire.
 
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Catholic church may have borrowed some roman/greek symbols but again protestant reformation completely rejected the papal authority and catholic teachings going straight back to bible and the concept of "four walls and a prayer".

English is not greek and the very first step of protestant reformation is ending latin liturgy in churches. Reformation is a revolt against latin corruption of christianity not some "renaissance' as you think.

Christianity is part of judeo-arab thought with its universal gods and strong condemnation of idolatry - it is opposite of greek/roman civilization.

i wont mind your writings if you are writing them simply taking some pride in your culture and in your language. Instead what you do is nazi lite fascist writings where you talk of aryan peoples and how chinese are "other". Such thoughts will only bring you grief. learn to respect humanity.
The earliest text of Christian Bible (new testament) that exist today are in Greek.

Even though Christianity originated in the middle east, what made its way to Europe is nothing but Roman/Greek paganism repackaged as Christianity with trinity mimicking the Greek/Roman pantheon of Gods.
 
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The so-called "New Testament" has had no cultural influence in "The West".

The following should be noted:

(1) the "Christians" (40-300) were a movement of opponents of the empire, and their history is very short, in fact when they disappeared (ca. 600) Islam emerged

(2) The Romans did not change their religion but rather their fantasy literature. Christianity has two branches: Catholicism, which is the fusion of the Roman imperial religion with priestly Judaism, and Protestantism, which is the fusion of the Roman imperial religion with the literature of Aramaic fantasies, i.e. the "Old Testament"

(3) The figure of the "Nazarene" was completely manipulated, since he died as a rebellious slave, and yet later became an example of obedience and quiet suffering for the peasantry

(4) To this day we can see, for example, that the "Old Testament" is the true Constitution of the United States of America, which explains both its history and the ideological forces within its ruling class.

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China and Russia have learned well from failed U.S. promises

History shows Beijing and Moscow cannot always trust what Washington says

After the West’s broken promises, including pledges not to expand NATO's influence into Russia’s buffer states, Russian and Chinese leaders are no longer inclined to believe their assurances of peaceful intentions.  | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERS's influence into Russia’s buffer states, Russian and Chinese leaders are no longer inclined to believe their assurances of peaceful intentions.  | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERSAfter the West’s broken promises, including pledges not to expand NATO's influence into Russia’s buffer states, Russian and Chinese leaders are no longer inclined to believe their assurances of peaceful intentions.  | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERS

Japantimes

BY RAMESH THAKUR

  • Feb 16, 2022

Western analysts fear a failure to check Russia’s revanchist ambitions will serve to embolden China in the axis of autocracies. On Feb. 4, on the opening day of the Winter Olympics in Beijing that was boycotted by Western diplomats, Presidents Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin declared a “no limits” partnership and backed each other on Ukraine and Taiwan.

A second narrative holds that increased U.S. military presence will reassure NATO allies and check Russian belligerence, but only at the cost of distracting America from the bigger strategic challenge of China in the Indo-Pacific, most imminently in Taiwan.

Given China’s dramatic expansion of military might and economic strength, U.S. promises to defend Taiwan against attack might prove hollow.

A fall of Taiwan would vastly complicate U.S. efforts to help defend Japan and others on the one hand, while greatly enlarging China’s scope to project power closer to U.S. and allied territories on the other.

An alternative narrative is that the biggest lessons China has drawn are from the history of U.S. policies after the end of the Cold War during a period of unchallengeable primacy.

Eastern Europe has been the historic gateway for Western attacks on Russia, including the bitter invasions by Napoleon and Hitler that are seared into that nation’s consciousness. Hence the critical role of buffer states as a protective shield.

On Feb. 9, 1990, U.S. Secretary of State James Baker assured Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would expand “not one inch eastward.” Based on multiple similar assurances from Western leaders, former CIA director Robert Gates wrote, Gorbachev was “led to believe” that NATO’s eastward expansion “wouldn’t happen.” Making the mistake of assuming good faith behind the assurances, Gorbachev agreed to the peaceful reunification of West and East Germany and the unified state’s eventual NATO membership.

Other top officials, however, insisted that the U.S. priority was to see Russia collapse into “a third-rate power.” By 2004 NATO troops were “within spitting distance of Russia,” former U.K. Ambassador to Moscow Rodric Braithwaite said in the Financial Times on Feb. 2. In a retrospective analysis last August, Braithwaite wrote: “Russians believed they had been double-crossed. They were shocked by NATO’s bombing of Serbia in 1999 — a foretaste, they feared, of what Russia itself might expect.”

Russians ridicule claims of NATO being purely defensive — which NATO member was attacked by Serbia in 1999? — and concluded that in 2014, Ukraine was transformed from a buffer for Russia into a barrier between it and Europe.

The bigger fear still, as Putin wrote in a long article last July, is that “Ukraine was dragged into a dangerous geopolitical game” by the West in order to turn it into “a springboard against Russia.” Hence Russia’s red line: no NATO membership for Ukraine, now or ever; and the related demand that NATO cut troop numbers in Eastern Europe. Else Moscow must think the unthinkable: regime change in Kiev into a more pro-Russian one or subjugation of Ukraine by force of arms.

To Western commentators the principle is non-negotiable that Ukraine as a sovereign state has the right to enter into security alliance with anyone else. In the eyes of Russians and Chinese officials, this is hypocrisy based in historical amnesia about the U.S. refusal to accept just such an exercise of sovereignty by Cuba in the 1962 missile crisis. The principle has also proven remarkably malleable in all the Western powers’ Taiwan policy where China has long exercised a veto over recognition, exchange of embassies and even Taiwan’s membership of international organizations.

Three other major episodes from recent international history are also relevant. In 1986 the World Court ruled for Nicaragua and against the U.S. for its campaign of destabilization of the Sandinista regime, but Washington simply dismissed the adverse ruling.

In 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush introduced the legal innovation of “unsigning” U.S. membership from the International Criminal Court. In 2018 President Donald Trump withdrew from the nuclear deal with Iran — in which China and Russia had invested political capital — even though it had been negotiated by the previous U.S. administration and unanimously endorsed by the U.N. Security Council. This made the U.S. an unreliable and untrustworthy great power with which to negotiate.

Let us not forget either how Beijing was shocked by the NATO bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999. Senior Chinese officials insisted to me back then that it was inconceivable that this could have been an accident and indeed, they were convinced that not just the embassy but the ambassador’s residence had been deliberately targeted. The conclusion drawn was that the existing norm of nonintervention, regarded by most countries as a peremptory norm from which no exception was permitted, had been violated by the U.S.-led NATO in the moment of Russia’s geopolitical weakness and vulnerability.

Moreover, the claim to an emerging new norm of “humanitarian intervention” by Western powers further showed they were using their geopolitical primacy to rewrite the rules of the international order regardless of other countries’ sensibilities and interests, even if the latter were in the majority.

I have also been present in intimate discussions after the international tribunal ruled against China in 2016 in the maritime dispute with the Philippines, when a top Chinese official remarked that the U.S. was not a party to the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea but wanted to bind China by it. Maybe China should follow the U.S. example with the ICC and “unsign” UNCLOS, she said.

Most importantly, China must believe it cannot trust U.S. verbal promises to refrain from harmful action against core Chinese interests, nor the institutions designed to uphold and enforce international law. Washington has an unsavory record in weaponizing trade policy and abusing its dominance of international financial institutions to penalize those who refuse to kowtow to its diktats.

Claims to purely defensive motives notwithstanding, given the opportunity, Chinese leaders fear that not all future U.S. administrations will be able to resist the temptation to convert Taiwan into a launching pad for aggression against China. And, rather than be a mere rule breaker, China believes it must aim to become the preeminent rule maker and enforcer in a future Sino-centric global order.

That is the ultimate nightmare for Western countries. For the first time in several centuries, the global hegemon is poised to be a non-Western, non-English speaking, nondemocratic and noncapitalist civilization. There is little evidence thus far that the West can make the necessary psychological adjustment to learn to live in such a world.

569 years, to be precise.
 
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Coming back to subject of "promises" by the West and how they (West) lie through their teeth. The NATO Secretary General - Stoltenberg (the lapdog of Washington & London) as well as the U.S State Department, declared this past week that no promises were made to Russia on NATO's expansion eastward. This was in response to the statement by the President of the Russian Federation - Vladimir Putin, that the West had promised back in the 1990s, that NATO would not move one inch to the East.

Now here is the LIE, exposed by a former official of a NATO memberstate:


NATO did promise Moscow it wouldn't expand, former German defense official tells RT

Published: 19 Feb 2022 | 11:52 GMT

NATO did promise Moscow it wouldn't expand, former German defense official tells RT

FILE PHOTO: The flags of member countries of North Atlantic Treaty Organization are seen at the Headquarter of NATO in Brussels, Belgium, on February 7, 2022. © AP / Olivier Matthys

Willy Wimmer told RT he personally witnessed the West vowing that NATO would not expand to the east
Despite their denials, Western leaders did make a promise to the USSR that NATO would not expand to Central and Eastern Europe
when Moscow agreed to Germany’s reunification, Willy Wimmer, a former vice president of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), has claimed in an interview with RT on Saturday.

The veteran politician, who served as parliamentary secretary to Germany’s defense minister between 1985 and 1992, said that he personally witnessed this promise when he “sent Chancellor Helmut Kohl the statement on the Bundeswehr in NATO and NATO in Europe, which was completely incorporated into the treaties on reunification.”

Berlin’s decision at that time “not to station NATO troops on the territory of the former East Germany and to stop NATO near the Oder” was part of this promise, Wimmer added.


The bloc has long denied such a promise had ever been made, insisting it has always had an 'open door policy.' However, a document recently published by Germany’s Der Spiegel weekly purportedly shows that the pledge was made, supporting Moscow's claims the commitments were later broken.

The minutes of a March 6, 1991 meeting in Bonn between the political directors of the foreign ministries of the US, UK, France, and Germany on German reunification appear to show that the Western nations made it “clear” to the still-existing Soviet Union that NATO would not expand further to the east.

Wimmer believes that the promises made by the Western leaders in the early 1990s were eventually dashed by the US ambitions formulated in the infamous 1992 ‘Wolfowitz Doctrine’.

The ‘doctrine’ was in fact a Defense Planning Guidance for the 1994–1999 fiscal years that was leaked to the New York Times at that time and sparked a wave of criticism even in the US itself. The document outlined the policy of unilateralism and pre-emptive military actions designed to suppress potential threats and prevent any supposedly authoritarian states from becoming superpowers. The official text of the guidance was then changed following the uproar but many tenets of the ‘doctrine’ still found their way into the former US President George W. Bush’s foreign policy.

Since that time, the US and its allies have been on the “wrong track” as they have been virtually doing everything to create a fairly “justified” impression in Moscow that the Western nations seek to “kick Russia out of Europe, to build a new wall between the Baltic and the Black Sea” and eventually to “destroy” Russia instead of cooperating with it, Wimmer pointed out.

The root of all the current security problems in Europe lies within America’s policy of continuously antagonizing Russia, according to Wimmer. “All the misery we are dealing with started with the United States conducting the policy aimed at kicking Russia out of Europe for the last 20 or almost 30 years,” he said.

As long as the US continues to “do everything to achieve this goal” both through NATO and bilateral agreements, Europe’s security problems can hardly be resolved, Wimmer warned, adding that it was Washington that should fundamentally change its ways.

The former OSCE vice president also echoed Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, describing the present state of relations between Russia and the West as a conversation between “a mute” and a “deaf.” Moscow's top diplomat made similar remarks earlier in February following talks with British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss.

The US and its partners in Europe have been “certainly deaf” for decades since they “drew no conclusions” from Russian President Vladimir Putin’s landmark speech at the Munich Security Conference back in 2007, when he showed quite clearly “where the problems lie on the Euro-Asian continent,” Wimmer said.

At that time, the Russian leader warned that US unilateral hegemonism and “uncontained” use of force in international relations erode the global security system and weaken international law. It was also one of the first times he mentioned NATO’s promise to Russia not to expand to the east.

 
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The so-called "New Testament" has had no cultural influence in "The West".

The following should be noted:

(1) the "Christians" (40-300) were a movement of opponents of the empire, and their history is very short, in fact when they disappeared (ca. 600) Islam emerged

(2) The Romans did not change their religion but rather their fantasy literature. Christianity has two branches: Catholicism, which is the fusion of the Roman imperial religion with priestly Judaism, and Protestantism, which is the fusion of the Roman imperial religion with the literature of Aramaic fantasies, i.e. the "Old Testament"

(3) The figure of the "Nazarene" was completely manipulated, since he died as a rebellious slave, and yet later became an example of obedience and quiet suffering for the peasantry

(4) To this day we can see, for example, that the "Old Testament" is the true Constitution of the United States of America, which explains both its history and the ideological forces within its ruling class.

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Are you saying an entire civilization (that too an empire then) would simply swap their ancestral religion or myths or gods to the ones coming from a jewish culture ? just like that ?
And not only beliefs there is no relation to dress or even names of people of europeans pre-christianity and post - ones.

While some influences are bound to be there i think christian thought of universal god/humility etc is too radically different from Roman style gods/debauchery/power worship. The excesses of the "west" was tamed by the east and a foundation was laid for a proper civilization to come.
 
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"ancestral religion or myths or gods"

There is a great deal of confusion about the Roman imperial religion. The religion of the Romans was not the fantasies of which they made jokes in the theater, that was as one lucid Roman said "the only tolerated form of criticism of the powerful"

The bloody Aramaic fantasies, this "Old Testament", was exactly what the Roman imperial religion and its cult of the Chief, its cult of Victory and its cult of Domination needed: the bloody Aramaic fantasies draw a brutal distinction between "a people (of lords)" who must by divine command dominate "the people of the land" ("am ha'eretz"): The Romans so to speak said: -how did it not occur to us such a true religion

"universal god"

This is the demonstration that the art of deception consists of lying with audacity

A small Aramean ruling class in the province of Yehud said:

-My capricious little tribal god is the creator of the whole fuxxxxx Universe; And your little god is "a scarecrow of a melon patch"
 
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An obvious fact is that of the several ancient civilizations in human history, only Chinese civilization has survived to this day.

Not a complete picture.
I would argue that modern incarnation of China is not exact same as various Chinese civlizations 2-3000 years ago.

If you use that yardstick, then Islam is a even older civilization, because from a secular POV Islam is a recent reorganized/reinterpreted comglomeration of Levant, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Arabia and Persia. Therefore Middle East and Islam often is descibed as the Nile-Oxus civilization in academic circles.
 
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Not a complete picture.
I would argue that modern incarnation of China is not exact same as various Chinese civlizations 2-3000 years ago.

If you use that yardstick, then Islam is a even older civilization, because from a secular POV Islam is a recent reorganized/reinterpreted comglomeration of Levant, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Arabia and Persia. Therefore Middle East and Islam often is descibed as the Nile-Oxus civilization in academic circles.


Why do you say that modern Chinese people are different from ancient Chinese people?

Let me give two examples. If any ancient civilization can do the same, we also recognize that their ancient civilization has not perished.

1, The continuity of blood is not broken. DNA obtained from the Longshan cultural site in 2500 BC shows that the Y chromosome of ancient Chinese is O3, and more than 80% of modern Chinese are still O3.

2, Culture is not cut off. Modern Chinese people over the age of 12 can easily read and understand the Chinese characters of 3000 years ago.


Excuse me, which ancient civilization country can do these two points?
 
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The Portuguese, Spanish, French, British (1814-) and North American (1945-) empires are variants of the Biblical-Roman Mental Software.

Currently in the United States of America, behind the facade of a show for the masses, we can see that Power is in the hands of a three-party coalition:

(1) imperial party
(2) corporatocracy party
(3) "Our colonial project" (Jabotinsky) party

And the three parties that form this coalition share the ideology of the Biblical-Roman Mental Software

(1) domination over the nations of the world (2) domination over the plebs and the working class and (3) domination over the Palestinians, all three fit into the same mental software arising from The West Fusion (ca. 600-1492) of Roman imperial ideology with Aramaic fantasy literature (i.e. the "Old Testament")
 
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Why do you say that modern Chinese people are different from ancient Chinese people?

Let me give two examples. If any ancient civilization can do the same, we also recognize that their ancient civilization has not perished.

1, The continuity of blood is not broken. DNA obtained from the Longshan cultural site in 2500 BC shows that the Y chromosome of ancient Chinese is O3, and more than 80% of modern Chinese are still O3.

2, Culture is not cut off. Modern Chinese people over the age of 12 can easily read and understand the Chinese characters of 3000 years ago.


Excuse me, which ancient civilization country can do these two points?

More accurately I would say over age of 16-18 can read Chinese characters up to 2500 years ago. Still very impressive.

Beyond that, early Chinese like bone script is illegible.

In English speaking countries even 500 years ago (Shakespeare) is incomprehensible except with explanations in the textbook like how we have explanations in textbooks for 2000+ year old script.
 
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