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[JayAtl]

What you consider to be the best is debatable, we're not just a book just by it's cover, if Russia offer something that what we need and interesting than there is great chance that the deal will get though...we don't really care what people get used to believe that wester military is best compaire to Russia.

Very difficult to understand much of your post from the gibberish you posted. But what I don't consider debatable is the fact that you/ china are behind at least 20 years of NATO/ US tech. there is no debate about that...none what so ever!

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Very difficult to understand much of your post from the gibberish you posted. But what I don't consider debatable is the fact that you/ china are behind at least 20 years of NATO/ US tech. there is no debate about that...none what so ever!

Dude, there is nothing gibberish about my post, you're bragging that India is able to access to the world best military while China can only have Russia as option...so I assume that you want to compare Su-35 to Rafale, F-16, F-18 and Typhoon... it has nothing to do with what china's 20 years behind Nato/ U.S tech.

 

[antonius123]

Very difficult to understand much of your post from the gibberish you posted. But what I don't consider debatable is the fact that you/ china are behind at least 20 years of NATO/ US tech. there is no debate about that...none what so ever!

20 years behind NATO is very debatable.
J-20 is beyond any European made a/c.
Some may even beyond what Nato has (DF21D)

 

[Nishan_101]

But it has some improved SU-35 capabilities like FBW controls integration with TVC nozzles...

Which is amazing...

I think Block-II JF-17 will have 3D TVC

 

[romia]

Very difficult to understand much of your post from the gibberish you posted. But what I don't consider debatable is the fact that you/ china are behind at least 20 years of NATO/ US tech. there is no debate about that...none what so ever!

I dont care how many yrs we behind the NATO or US
I do believe we have the diversity of power to demolish the US at least as twice times.that's enough to stop anyone wanna to attack China .That's ur indian cannot right now.

 

[JayAtl]

I dont care how many yrs we behind the NATO or US
I do believe we have the diversity of power to demolish the US at least as twice times.that's enough to stop anyone wanna to attack China .That's ur indian cannot right now.

"diversity of power to demolish the US twice"??? , You sound like Baghdad Bob- or Beijing Bob in this case.

 

[JayAtl]

20 years behind NATO is very debatable.
J-20 is beyond any European made a/c.
Some may even beyond what Nato has (DF21D)

not debatable per your military heads... they are quoted as saying it too. then, other than state run media hype where they even call a casino ship an A/c carrier... your so called higher military hardware is untested and never put forth to be scrutinized by the world. Just have to take China's word at it. The irony is that one has to be brainwashed to think China has taken over on military technology over the likes of Russia. The double irony is - you are/ we are discussing China buying 100 Russian aircraft's and you claiming that you at par or near par with the US on military tech...

 

[manojb]

"
AIN asked about the short takeoff demonstrated during the opening day’s performance. Bogdan said the takeoff run was about 250 to 300 meters, thanks to Su-35S’s thrust vectoring and high thrust-to-weight ratio. “Short takeoff is another useful feature of the thrust-vectored Sukhoi fighters,” he said. “We demonstrated it before on the Su-30MKI. More power available on the Su-35S allows me to set the plane into high pitch upon liftoff and then make a sharp turn.”"

High Thrust-to-Weight Propels Su-35S's Paris Demo

 

[antonius123]

not debatable per your military heads... they are quoted as saying it too. then, other than state run media hype where they even call a casino ship an A/c carrier... your so called higher military hardware is untested and never put forth to be scrutinized by the world. Just have to take China's word at it. The irony is that one has to be brainwashed to think China has taken over on military technology over the likes of Russia. The double irony is - you are/ we are discussing China buying 100 Russian aircraft's and you claiming that you at par or near par with the US on military tech...

The argument is logical error.

Untested weapon doesnt mean lame weapon, so if nobody can assure that the chinese weapon is lame or great that means the 20 years gap is debatable.

Besides, many of Europe / US / Rusia latest weapon are untested yet too. Su-35BM, Eurofighter, Rafale, F-22 has never involve in engagement yet with comparable a/c fighter, neither F-35, etc.

No country in the world other than USA ever scrutinize F-22 either.
China never overhype their weapon capability. It is western analyst that make their own assesment/analysis on chinese weapon (J-20, ASBM/DF-21, ABM.)

Nobody claim that china technology is already on par with USA. There is still technology gap, and how far the gap depent on what kind of technology. For example: for midcourse ABM - practically china is on par with USA; but other kind of weapon could be 10 year gap or more.

 

[JayAtl]

The argument is logical error.

Untested weapon doesnt mean lame weapon, so if nobody can assure that the chinese weapon is lame or great that means the 20 years gap is debatable.

Besides, many of Europe / US / Rusia latest weapon are untested yet too. Su-35BM, Eurofighter, Rafale, F-22 has never involve in engagement yet with comparable a/c fighter, neither F-35, etc.

No country in the world other than USA ever scrutinize F-22 either.
China never overhype their weapon capability. It is western analyst that make their own assesment/analysis on chinese weapon (J-20, ASBM/DF-21, ABM.)

Nobody claim that china technology is already on par with USA. There is still technology gap, and how far the gap depent on what kind of technology. For example: for midcourse ABM - practically china is on par with USA; but other kind of weapon could be 10 year gap or more.

I think there is a comprehension gap here. Your OWN MILITARY CHIEF said china's military technology is 20 years back... do you comprehend that? This is no western analyst , it is your own military head.

secondly F22, rafale , eurofighter have ALL been tested in a war theater. Perhaps you are not aware of the wars, but Iraq, libya, Afghanistan were test beds for the analysis. Rafale and eurofighter used missions in libya to show other buyers about how successful their aircraft's were. US F22 stealth technology is also proven and not debatable among military experts.

 

[walle990]

I think there is a comprehension gap here. Your OWN MILITARY CHIEF said china's military technology is 20 years back... do you comprehend that? This is no western analyst , it is your own military head.

secondly F22, rafale , eurofighter have ALL been tested in a war theater. Perhaps you are not aware of the wars, but Iraq, libya, Afghanistan were test beds for the analysis. Rafale and eurofighter used missions in libya to show other buyers about how successful their aircraft's were. US F22 stealth technology is also proven and not debatable among military experts.

F22 has never been tested in a war you smart ***. In fact none of those fighters have been testing against highly capable SAM systems or another jet fighter of a similar calibre. Bombing defenseless 3rd world military targets and civilian government building does not prove how effective they are in a full blown war.

secondly, what the chinese military chief said was over 2 years ago when the US was about to start their "pivot" to asia taking in the context that China does not intend to challenge the US . It was to calm nerves, what did you expect ? The chinese general say they will start a war with NATO tomorrow? China is already fully capable of defending against any US action around China and both in the SCS and ECS, there is no point to match the exuberant military budget and capabilites of the US right now, when the Chinese military match the US it will come naturally as the country develops.

 

[JayAtl]

F22 has never been tested in a war you smart ***. In fact none of those fighters have been testing against highly capable SAM systems or another jet fighter of a similar calibre. Bombing defenseless 3rd world military targets and civilian government building does not prove how effective they are in a full blown war.

secondly, what the chinese military chief said was over 2 years ago when the US was about to start their "pivot" to asia taking in the context that China does not intend to challenge the US . It was to calm nerves, what did you expect ? The chinese general say they will start a war with NATO tomorrow? China is already fully capable of defending against any US action around China and both in the SCS and ECS, there is no point to match the exuberant military budget and capabilites of the US right now, when the Chinese military match the US it will come naturally as the country develops.

If you think the F22 is not proven and accepted as being unquestionably capable of all it has stated BY EVERY MILITARY in the world - then we know you are but a civilian w/ no interest, background or knowledge about military hardware.

If Chinese military head said that they 20yrs behind the US because they were afraid , after all that is basically what you are claiming now, because the US was pivoting to the Asia Pacific theater-- then I will take as an innovative , yet flawed excuse.

Irony is that you begging to be considered better than 20 yrs behind- yet you have not developed even a capable , forget world class aircraft engine. You have a casino ship as an A/C. I would put you 20 yrs behind the Russians, forget the US in that equation.

 

[gambit]

F22 has never been tested in a war you smart ***. In fact none of those fighters have been testing against highly capable SAM systems or another jet fighter of a similar calibre.

How do you know those SAM systems are 'highly capable' in the first place? Ever thought of that?

Bombing defenseless 3rd world military targets and civilian government building does not prove how effective they are in a full blown war.

It proved at least one thing: that bombing is capable and more than the PLA have done.

secondly, what the chinese military chief said was over 2 years ago when the US was about to start their "pivot" to asia taking in the context that China does not intend to challenge the US . It was to calm nerves, what did you expect ? The chinese general say they will start a war with NATO tomorrow? China is already fully capable of defending against any US action around China and both in the SCS and ECS, there is no point to match the exuberant military budget and capabilites of the US right now, when the Chinese military match the US it will come naturally as the country develops.

How do you know when the PLA have no comparable combat experience?

 

[Genesis]

How do you know those SAM systems are 'highly capable' in the first place? Ever thought of that?


It proved at least one thing: that bombing is capable and more than the PLA have done.


How do you know when the PLA have no comparable combat experience?

Well, can't say how capable PLA is, but do you agree that they at least have some capability, is it more or less than Saddam's forces?

 

[antonius123]

I think there is a comprehension gap here. Your OWN MILITARY CHIEF said china's military technology is 20 years back... do you comprehend that? This is no western analyst , it is your own military head.

secondly F22, rafale , eurofighter have ALL been tested in a war theater. Perhaps you are not aware of the wars, but Iraq, libya, Afghanistan were test beds for the analysis. Rafale and eurofighter used missions in libya to show other buyers about how successful their aircraft's were. US F22 stealth technology is also proven and not debatable among military experts.

What china military chief statement about 20 years gap is conflicting with your own statement that China is overhyping. In fact it prove that China doesnt overhype but be humble.

Like I said, it is not china who said china new weapon is advanced and narrowing gap with those of USA technology level, but it is western analyst. China chief military in fact is trying to calm down western restless due to china rapid progress in military tech by saying that china is still lag 20 years (sun tzu tactic). Like I said: chinese midcourse ABM, ASBM, and other missile cannot be considered 20 years lag, also J-10B could be on par with Eurofighter/Rafale, and J-20 could be ahead of European a/c.

Like I said: F-22, Rafale, Eurofighter never do any engagement with other comparable air fighter. What they do in middle east recently was only mission related to ground attack.