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China again bails out Pakistan to pay Saudi debt

It was Trump who stepped in, and even if UAE and Saudia did as well, wasn't that the right thing to do to diffuse tensions ? The Geneva conventions have stuff on downed pilots/pows that would have required Pak to release him. These guys expedited the process a bit maybe.

What will you do when relations completely collapse between you two ? Don't speak like a kid.

Relations will never truly collapse owing to the deen but they may sour further at the state level. Pakistan's Kashmir centric myopic world view has cost it it's dearest friend and backer. You owe them big time for financing your nuclear program. This is overall not a positive development for Pakistan in the great game.
It's quite hilarious that Indians are offended on behalf of Pakistanis.

Geneva Conventions on downed pilots?? We would have held him while you lot sang hymns and lit candles for a few weeks at least. He was well looked after and smiling, as you well know. The US/Saudi cabal leant on us to release him asap. You think we didn't want war with you fkers while you were clearly weak?

Myopic world view?? This mere "myopia" will be cured once your apartheid state is removed from J&K. The same way civilised nations viewed South Africa as an apartheid state or Germany as a Nazi state once upon a time is how Pakistan views India. You fkers have been engaged in disinformation campaigns for 15 years while Nawaz was inviting you to weddings. Certainly, Pakistan is not what you remember from ten years ago, hence Hindustan keeps panicking and stabbing in the dark at some grand strategy to bring us grinding to a halt.

Don't worry your pretty little head - Pakistan will exist and prosper long after the house of Saud has vanished like a mirage. Your concern is appreciated.

India has chosen its destiny through its actions. Pakistan will enable this pathway to perdition with great pleasure.

Carry on.
 
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Damn......Pak Arab bhai bhai anyone ?

Arabs was never a bahi & never will be, some south Asians think they are Arabs and have love for them.

No difference between a Jew & an Arab they are both semites.
It was Trump who stepped in, and even if UAE and Saudia did as well, wasn't that the right thing to do to diffuse tensions ? The Geneva conventions have stuff on downed pilots/pows that would have required Pak to release him. These guys expedited the process a bit maybe.

What will you do when relations completely collapse between you two ? Don't speak like a kid.

Relations will never truly collapse owing to the deen but they may sour further at the state level. Pakistan's Kashmir centric myopic world view has cost it it's dearest friend and backer. You owe them big time for financing your nuclear program. This is overall not a positive development for Pakistan in the great game.

Geneva convention only applies if a war is declared, no war was declared so he wasn’t a pow.

Glad he got a beating and a half, civilians have more stomach for a fight then our military.

should have cut his throat there & then & send him to kingdom come.
 
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Amazing big thanks to our foreign affairs dept and 3 bigs, thank you y’all for your service. :cheers:
 
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It's quite hilarious that Indians are offended on behalf of Pakistanis.

Geneva Conventions on downed pilots?? We would have held him while you lot sang hymns and lit candles for a few weeks at least. He was well looked after and smiling, as you well know. The US/Saudi cabal leant on us to release him asap. You think we didn't want war with you fkers while you were clearly weak?

Myopic world view?? This mere "myopia" will be cured once your apartheid state is removed from J&K. The same way civilised nations viewed South Africa as an apartheid state or Germany as a Nazi state once upon a time is how Pakistan views India. You fkers have been engaged in disinformation campaigns for 15 years while Nawaz was inviting you to weddings. Certainly, Pakistan is not what you remember from ten years ago, hence Hindustan keeps panicking and stabbing in the dark at some grand strategy to bring us grinding to a halt.

Don't worry your pretty little head - Pakistan will exist and prosper long after the house of Saud has vanished like a mirage. Your concern is appreciated.

India has chosen its destiny through its actions. Pakistan will enable this pathway to perdition with great pleasure.

Carry on.
I am neither offended nor gloating.

How would you respond to my post if I was flying the Turkish or Chinese flag in my avatar ?
 
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What is CSA?

The bilateral Currency Swap Agreement was reached between the SBP and the Peoples Bank of China (PBOC) in December 2011 “in order to promote bilateral trade, finance direct investment and provide short-term liquidity support”, according to the central bank.

The original agreement had been renewed in December 2014 for a period of three years with overall limit of 10 billion yuan or $1.5 billion. It was further extended in May 2018 for a period of three years, with the amount being increased to 20 billion Yuan or $3 billion.

This agreement will expire in May next year, which the central bank has decided to request China to further extend it for three more years.

The central bank’s financial statement for the year 2019-20 showed that the SBP utilised 20 billion yuan or Rs475 billion.

Pakistan paid Rs20.5 billion in interest to China on using the $3 billion trade finance facility in the last fiscal year alone, showed the central bank’s financial statement.
China has become Pakistan’s largest creditor for the past few years. The trade facility, originally meant to promote bilateral trade in respective local currencies, has been used for paying foreign debt.

The $3 billion money is part of the current $13.4 billion in foreign currency reserves held by the central bank, the SBP.

After coming into power, Prime Minister Imran Khan had twice flown to Saudi Arabia to secure the package, which provided space to the first-timer PTI government to negotiate a deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Saudi Arabia had agreed to provide $6.2 billion worth of financial package to Pakistan for three years. This included $3 billion in cash assistance and $3.2 billion worth of annual oil and gas supply on deferred payments.



The Kingdom has claimed back its money ahead of the schedule. Pakistan was paying 3.2% interest on the $3-billion facility, according to the information that the Ministry of Finance shared with the National Assembly.

The Saudi oil facility has already been suspended, while Pakistan has also paid back Saudi Arabia $1 billion out of the $3 billion in May this year. Pakistan returned $1 billion to Saudi Arabia after taking equal amount of loan from China.
 
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The same way civilised nations viewed South Africa as an apartheid state or Germany as a Nazi state once upon a time is how Pakistan views India.
but everybody still loves Israel :D

Don't you want to be like Israel ? They're a developed nation, high tech, rich, and militarily powerful. They're making peace deals with many who have traditionally hated them.

no wonder everybody loves Israel, you should too.
 
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From the frying pan into the fire ???

Why are Saudi's asking so desperate for these large payments now? Given the world situation?

Indian Army Chief is begging by the Saudi Prince. Did you not the follow the news of the past Indian-Saudi -Omani air force’s exercise.
 
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I am neither offended nor gloating.

How would you respond to my post if I was flying the Turkish or Chinese flag in my avatar ?
You can fly the flag of Zamunda for all I care.

What exactly do you want me to say?

"Oh no! Saudi has left us. This is a disaster for Pakistan. Leave me alone to cry!"

Is that what you were hoping for? If yes, then I (and a majority of sensible pakistanis) am sorry to disappoint you.

If not, then why are we still discussing this matter?
 
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ISLAMABAD: China has again bailed out Pakistan as it agrees to immediately provide $1.5 billion financing line to repay the $2 billion Saudi Arabia debt, sources told The Express Tribune.

Out of $2 billion, Pakistan is now set to return the $1 billion on coming Monday, said the sources in the finance ministry and the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP). The remaining $1 billion is due in January, they added.

However, this time around, China has not given the loan from its State Administration of Foreign Exchange, commonly known as SAFE deposits, nor has it extended a commercial loan, said the sources.

Instead, both the countries have agreed to augment the size of a 2011 bilateral Currency-Swap Agreement (CSA) by an additional 10 billion Chinse Yuan or around $1.5 billion, the sources said. This has increased the size of the overall trade facility to 20 billion Chinese Yuan or $4.5 billion.

The CSA is a Chinese trade finance facility that Pakistan has been using since 2011 to repay foreign debt and keep its gross foreign currency reserves at comfortable levels instead for trade related purposes.

The benefit of this arrangement will be that the additional $1.5 billion Chinese loan will not reflect on the book of the federal government and it will not be treated as part of Pakistan’s external public debt.

Spokespersons for both the SBP and the finance ministry neither denied nor confirmed the development. The spokesperson for the central bank ducked the questions while the ministry of finance said that it was a “bilateral confidential matter”.

The Express Tribune had sent questions to the SBP about the CSA and a delay in uploading data on currency circulation, M2, on its website. “The M2 data will be updated soon on the website” was the terse response of the central bank, while maintaining silence on the question of currency deal.

What is CSA?

The bilateral Currency Swap Agreement was reached between the SBP and the Peoples Bank of China (PBOC) in December 2011 “in order to promote bilateral trade, finance direct investment and provide short-term liquidity support”, according to the central bank.

The original agreement had been renewed in December 2014 for a period of three years with overall limit of 10 billion yuan or $1.5 billion. It was further extended in May 2018 for a period of three years, with the amount being increased to 20 billion Yuan or $3 billion.

This agreement will expire in May next year, which the central bank has decided to request China to further extend it for three more years.

The central bank’s financial statement for the year 2019-20 showed that the SBP utilised 20 billion yuan or Rs475 billion.

Pakistan paid Rs20.5 billion in interest to China on using the $3 billion trade finance facility in the last fiscal year alone, showed the central bank’s financial statement.

China has become Pakistan’s largest creditor for the past few years. The trade facility, originally meant to promote bilateral trade in respective local currencies, has been used for paying foreign debt.

The $3 billion money is part of the current $13.4 billion in foreign currency reserves held by the central bank, the SBP had confirmed to The Express Tribune last month.

After coming into power, Prime Minister Imran Khan had twice flown to Saudi Arabia to secure the package, which provided space to the first-timer PTI government to negotiate a deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Saudi Arabia had agreed to provide $6.2 billion worth of financial package to Pakistan for three years. This included $3 billion in cash assistance and $3.2 billion worth of annual oil and gas supply on deferred payments.

As per the agreement, the Saudi cash and oil facility was for one year with an option to roll over the amount at the end of the year for a period of three years.

The Kingdom has claimed back its money ahead of the schedule. Pakistan was paying 3.2% interest on the $3-billion facility, according to the information that the Ministry of Finance shared with the National Assembly.

The Saudi oil facility has already been suspended, while Pakistan has also paid back Saudi Arabia $1 billion out of the $3 billion in May this year. Pakistan returned $1 billion to Saudi Arabia after taking equal amount of loan from China.

The government has also not been able to get the suspended $6 billion IMF programme restored, which is making it difficult for it to continue uninterrupted foreign inflows. The sources said if the IMF programme is not restored in the near future, the World Bank inflows may start drying up.

The IMF is not bending on two conditions of introducing a mini-budget and increasing electricity tariffs, which has complicated matters for Prime Minister Imran Khan whose government is already facing criticism for a constant high inflation.

The programme loans from the other two multilateral creditors were also critical to return $10.6 billion in maturing loans in the current fiscal year, excluding the Saudi Arabian and the UAE debt.

Just tells you how bad the situation was a year ago
And why reserves are not building up as fast even though we are net positive (reserve should build up even if u r a bit negative ~-1-2 % gdp)
Ummah or Commie, to owe such large amounts to one country is never too good. If Ummah brothers can squeeze them, China very well can do that too. You should also remember that they didn't go to China in the first place to get the loan, even Pakistanis knew it shouldn't, just that change in politics, forced Pakistan out of options like IMF, WB, etc... but China.
Pakistan owes more to western countries then china..
China facility is currency swap why not use rather then paying 3% interest on saudi loans

It was always a loan this was clarified by asad umar from the beginning
We should walk away from saudi oil and find alternative markets with long term flexible payment
Consider barter with iran for oil and get the gas pipeline done fast if iran agrees to offer competitive pricing (which wasnt on the offer before)
 
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So $1.5 billion was a big stress point for Pakistan when Pakistan, by some sources, imports $4 BILLION of edible oil every year, on top of various other non-essential items?? Why can't the country decide to not use sugar for a month and use jaggery or unsweet items? That's just an example, BTW.

Sometimes feel ashamed of the beggar mentality of people in Pakistan!! And I actually see that mentality all the time in relatives and during visits to Pakistan. Stretching hand for help brings no shame. And often for show-off weddings or soul-less festivals and rituals.
 
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Infidel commies to the rescue instead of muslim ummah. Where are the likes of itachi and that admin dude with their big mouths.

in this age of nation states their is no friends or foes , only national interest is supreme.
 
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Just tells you how bad the situation was a year ago
And why reserves are not building up as fast even though we are net positive (reserve should build up even if u r a bit negative ~-1-2 % gdp)

Pakistan owes more to western countries then china..
China facility is currency swap why not use rather then paying 3% interest on saudi loans

It was always a loan this was clarified by asad umar from the beginning
We should walk away from saudi oil and find alternative markets with long term flexible payment
Consider barter with iran for oil and get the gas pipeline done fast if iran agrees to offer competitive pricing (which wasnt on the offer before)

Iran is the way forward, it always was the only true choice, but pak government preferred sniffing the Sandy back side of sand dwellers.

Let the Arabs bury their head in the camels backside, day by day they are becoming irrelevant.
 
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Iran is the way forward, it always was the only true choice, but pak government preferred sniffing the Sandy back side of sand dwellers.

Ler the Arabs bury their head in the camels backside, day by day they are becoming irrelevant.
Smart way to engage everyone
Learn frm india

Engage iran and saudis both..dont pick sides
 
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