China accuses the Philippines of political provocations

[Cossack25A1]

I like to separate civilian population and military. That way civilian Filipinos will not be harmed, but it will be a field day on the Filipino military. Sink the entire Philippines navy to the bottom of the sea if that's what it will take.

So you are going to deny us the Filipino people to defend ourselves by destroying our ill-equipped Navy and kill PH navy servicemen, then try to "persuade" us to accept your rule?!

Also, I don't believe that your PLA will separate civilians from military.

 

[Aepsilons]

I like to separate civilian population and military. That way civilian Filipinos will not be harmed, but it will be a field day on the Filipino military. Sink the entire Philippines navy to the bottom of the sea if that's what it will take.

Do you think a military engagement will be limited to Filipino marines stationed in Pag Asa Island ? And mopping operations on Filipino naval assets ? Or are you conjecturing that operations be extended into Palawan ?

In my opinion -- war is a forgone conclusion. China should focus on economic and cultural integration praxis with Manila. The Filipinos are not historical enemies of the Chinese, but trade partners since time immemorial.

I would suggest utilizing economic incentives and Chinese soft power.

I admit , i have a fondness for the Filipinos and the Philippines; I would not want war to ravage them. They are precious to us......

 

[oprih]

Our officials usually do this, releasing countless statements and accusations about being harassed by China.

 

[Desertfalcon]

So you are going to deny us the Filipino people to defend ourselves by destroying our ill-equipped Navy and kill PH navy servicemen, then try to "persuade" us to accept your rule?!

Also, I don't believe that your PLA will separate civilians from military.

Clearly, they do not know the history of your country.

Will the United States risk open war ? I highly doubt it. It will mostly watch and give verbal support to Manila, perhaps even some drone assistance , that's all.

We have a mutual defence pact with the Philippines. If there is such open warfare between China and the Philippines and Manila invokes the provisions of that pact, the United States, barring any diplomatic solution, would most definitely go to war with China. That does not mean we would be so foolish as to invade the Chinese mainland but it does mean that two things would most definitely happen...

1. The United States Navy and our other military forces in the region will decimate any Chinese naval forces engaged in battle with the Philippines and American naval and air forces will attack all land bases supplying the Chinese war effort. We will fight and win air supremacy over the SCS and impose a no-fly zone against China. Other SCS nation's armed forces will join us.

2. All of the progress China has made in trade and relations with the West, Japan, South Korea, etc., since the great reforms of Deng Xiaoping, will be utterly destroyed. Immediate suspension of trade and severe sanctions against China will be put in place. The United Nations would be brought into play, (And how do you think UN members will react to Chinese aggression against the peaceful Philippines?), and China will become a pariah state to all the nations of the SCS region and Pacific Asia.

Is it worth it, China?

 

[21stCentury]

Clearly, they do not know the history of your country.


We have a mutual defence pact with the Philippines. If there is such open warfare between China and the Philippines and Manila invokes the provisions of that pact, the United States, barring any diplomatic solution, would most definitely go to war with China. That does not mean we would be so foolish as to invade the Chinese mainland but it does mean that two things would most definitely happen...

1. The United States Navy and our other military forces in the region will decimate any Chinese naval forces engaged in battle with the Philippines and American naval and air forces will attack all land bases supplying the Chinese war effort. We will fight and win air supremacy over the SCS and impose a no-fly zone against China. Other SCS nation's armed forces will join us.

2. All of the progress China has made in trade and relations with the West, Japan, South Korea, etc., since the great reforms of Deng Xiaoping, will be utterly destroyed. Immediate suspension of trade and severe sanctions against China will be put in place. The United Nations would be brought into play, (And how do you think UN members will react to Chinese aggression against the peaceful Philippines?), and China will become a pariah state to all the nations of the SCS region and Pacific Asia.

Is it worth it, China?

If US ever tries to mess with China again, your American empire WILL shatter. Dont think Korean War, think end of American imperialist empire.

Is it worth it, USA?

 

[21stCentury]

So you are going to deny us the Filipino people to defend ourselves by destroying our ill-equipped Navy and kill PH navy servicemen, then try to "persuade" us to accept your rule?!

Also, I don't believe that your PLA will separate civilians from military.

You will have your own leadership to thank for that. Don't worry, like I proposed, after the whole of Filipino navy is rusting on the seafloor, China will offer a new start with the Philippines. A fresh start for the two nations political and security development born from the ashes.

I am hopeful then that China and Philippines will become great allies. As of current, sense needs to be knocked into the Filipino leadership.

 

[21stCentury]

Do you think a military engagement will be limited to Filipino marines stationed in Pag Asa Island ? And mopping operations on Filipino naval assets ? Or are you conjecturing that operations be extended into Palawan ?

In my opinion -- war is a forgone conclusion. China should focus on economic and cultural integration praxis with Manila. The Filipinos are not historical enemies of the Chinese, but trade partners since time immemorial.

I would suggest utilizing economic incentives and Chinese soft power.

I admit , i have a fondness for the Filipinos and the Philippines; I would not want war to ravage them. They are precious to us......

When i speak of limited war, that will be limited to the South China Sea, so all Filipino military assets in the area will be targets, yes. Philippines might be smart to surrender after witnessing half their navy being sunk, if not then there will be no more Filipino navy.

You are correct that Filipinos are not historical enemies of China, that's why I'm not proposing China outright invade and pillage the Philippines country/people like the Spanish, Americans and also Japan did. Yet that is exactly what happened to the Philippines and today Filipinos adore its ex-colonial masters and they are not the enemy, but China is. You see why sense needs to be knocked into the Filipinos?

 

[Desertfalcon]

If US ever tries to mess with China again...

Wait......don't you live in the United States?

 

[xunzi]

Which is why I said a limited war will need to take place between Philippines and China to settle the differences, only then will Philippines come to its senses and then China can offer a hand of friendship and a new beginning between the two nations.

There is no differences to speak of. We control and WILL defend our position in the SCS. We will not attack first. If the Philippines is delusional in attacking our position, then consider it a full blown war and in that case, I welcome that opportunity to test our weapon systems.

Clearly, they do not know the history of your country.


We have a mutual defence pact with the Philippines. If there is such open warfare between China and the Philippines and Manila invokes the provisions of that pact, the United States, barring any diplomatic solution, would most definitely go to war with China. That does not mean we would be so foolish as to invade the Chinese mainland but it does mean that two things would most definitely happen...

1. The United States Navy and our other military forces in the region will decimate any Chinese naval forces engaged in battle with the Philippines and American naval and air forces will attack all land bases supplying the Chinese war effort. We will fight and win air supremacy over the SCS and impose a no-fly zone against China. Other SCS nation's armed forces will join us.

2. All of the progress China has made in trade and relations with the West, Japan, South Korea, etc., since the great reforms of Deng Xiaoping, will be utterly destroyed. Immediate suspension of trade and severe sanctions against China will be put in place. The United Nations would be brought into play, (And how do you think UN members will react to Chinese aggression against the peaceful Philippines?), and China will become a pariah state to all the nations of the SCS region and Pacific Asia.

Is it worth it, China?

Cut your lunatic imagination out.

 

[gambit]

Wait......don't you live in the United States?

And if the US messes with China, he will STAY in the US...Where it is safe...

 

[jhungary]

So you are going to deny us the Filipino people to defend ourselves by destroying our ill-equipped Navy and kill PH navy servicemen, then try to "persuade" us to accept your rule?!

Also, I don't believe that your PLA will separate civilians from military.

It's always fun to watch a bunch of people have absolutely no real life experience to talk about war. As if it is that easy to "Flatten", "Annihilate" or "Destroy" another navy completely. One of them (Actually the dude that talk about it) is supposedly identify himself as a former JMSDF officer no less, I don't really know what Japanese taught in their Officer academy, but lol....I am quite speechless.

The question, can China win a war with Philippine? Of course they can, why not, but at what price?

The term "Deterrence" is used when you have a overwhelming power to another country, yet you have to show restraint on it because by attacking it, you may win the Strategically and/or Tactical objective, but will lose the operational objective.

For those who don't speak military, it basically means by attacking, you can probably win every battle and even the war with it, but you will have lost control of the operational requirement to maintain your grand strategically aims. That's either means you will not have resource, manpower, material, economy or all of the above to carry on with your overall strategic goal. Which for China, is to challenge or resist the US influence.

The key is, while China can undoubtedly destroy any or even all of Philippine Naval asset in the end, but would China suffer losses too? The answer is not if they would, but how many they would lose. And the more important question is that, how many the Chinese willing to lose.

Unless Philippine have no ability to fight back at all, otherwise there will always be casualty on the Chinese side, if history taught us well, then we can take it from the Falkland war that the Chinese are looking at 10-15% casualty (Where Britain lost 2 destroyer and a frigate as well as a few smaller support ship).

Now, the million dollar question is, how many Chinese Sailor and ship can PLAN afford to lose in a struggle with the US for control in South China Seas? If I have to say, the answer is nil, as China would need every bit of her military might to resist the American, any lost to Philippine would not be acceptable for China. And you know what? As each day pass, the Chinese military might would increase, but more importantly, so does the Philippine, the price is always going to be higher if China wait any longer.

Strange that someone don't really know the concept of deterrence @gambit

 

[Viet]

There will need to be a limited armed conflict between China and Philippines simply because when words on either side are falling on deaf ears a physical altercation will be the only way to remedy the differences, and only then will the heat dissipate. It's like grown adults fighting man to man to resolve their differences when other options do not work.

A limited war with the Philippines will allow China to gain some modern combat experience, allow China to test its new weapons systems and strategies and also emerge as a proactive regional power.

After putting the Philippines in their place, China should then offer a hand of friendship and a new start. Help develop the economy of Philippines and perhaps form a treaty pact with them as the guarantor of Philippine security.

China needs more delusional people like you. Come on go ahead and start the war. The lazy PLA needs combat experience as you say.

How did this mutual defense helped the Philippines in 2012 when China took over the Scarborough Shoals?

The treaty does not cover the islands and shoals in dispute.