China : A True Friend Indeed

[Jango]

are you retarted....in post 41 i said that we have a friend to trust in....if you happen to study in a good english medium school ou would probably understand that i said that we trust the chinese that they will unlike the US will not dump us when we are not offering our men to be killed.i have accepted that they have a interest in gwadar....

 

[Ammyy]

are you retarted....in post 41 i said that we have a friend to trust in....if you happen to study in a good english medium school ou would probably understand that i said that we trust the chinese that they will unlike the US will not dump us when we are not offering our men to be killed.i have accepted that they have a interest in gwadar....

I think you forget that Russia stop American and Britain navy in Indian ocean in 1971 war and every one know that they are Pakistan's friends that time

If you dnt know then read history (Cause your english is masha allah )

How much this type of help Chinese did for you in India - Pakistan wars ???

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

Pakistan, who do u like more as a ally? USA or China?

 

[ChinaToday]

I think you forget that Russia stop American and Britain navy in Indian ocean in 1971 war and every one know that they are Pakistan's friends that time

If you dnt know then read history (Cause your english is masha allah )

How much this type of help Chinese did for you in India - Pakistan wars ???

Pakistan is a strong country that can handle india easily, if i were you i would nt brag abt winning any war against pakistan consider yours country is twice the size of pakistan.

 

[Jango]

i am of the view point that why the hell should another country come into somebodys help for war???.....its your own war ....fight it yourselves....we all know the american policy....they want us to get a 1000 soldiers to die and they give us a couple of millions.....china is not wanting us to go at war with someone....US is giving us aid when we are fighting a war that was totally their own......china does not want us to fight with someone ....it wants to help us in our economy in our industry and so on....both of us are getting benfits which are at no cost....while in the US case ...US is getting al the benefits while we are only getting more shahadats!!.....and as for your english.....just check your grammer in the very first line of post no.47....you indian retard!!!

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Pakistan, who do u like more as a ally? USA or China?

definitely china man...

 

[Ammyy]

i am of the view point that why the hell should another country come into somebodys help for war???.....its your own war ....fight it yourselves....we all know the american policy....they want us to get a 1000 soldiers to die and they give us a couple of millions.....china is not wanting us to go at war with someone....US is giving us aid when we are fighting a war that was totally their own......china does not want us to fight with someone ....it wants to help us in our economy in our industry and so on....both of us are getting benfits which are at no cost....while in the US case ...US is getting al the benefits while we are only getting more shahadats!!.....and as for your english.....just check your grammer in the very first line of post no.47....you indian retard!!!

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definitely china man...

Sir ji then tell me how can you say that India- Russia not trust each other ????

are you retarted....in post 41 i said that we have a friend to trust in....if you happen to study in a good english medium school ou would probably understand that i said that we trust the chinese that they will unlike the US will not dump us when we are not offering our men to be killed.i have accepted that they have a interest in gwadar....

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

But doesnt USA give Pakistan more aid then China does?

 

[acetophenol]

Pakistan is a strong country that can handle india easily, if i were you i would nt brag abt winning any war against pakistan consider yours country is twice the size of pakistan.

Sir,please dont compare a country's military strength with respect to the geographical area. Also no one can handle us 'easily'.

 

[cross1993]

Indians should understand that, China's interests is "A peaceful South Asia."
China is a trade-country, We hate any war. So we hope that India and Pakistan towards peace.
Yes, We will not directly help Pakistan war, But we also will not ask Pakistan to go to a war. We will only help Pakistan develop its economy and building the motherland. That is the difference between China and the USA.

 

[Icarus]

I think you forget that Russia stop American and Britain navy in Indian ocean in 1971 war and every one know that they are Pakistan's friends that time

If you dnt know then read history (Cause your english is masha allah )

How much this type of help Chinese did for you in India - Pakistan wars ???

After the war of 71, China turned 11 million pounds sterling(1971 rates) of loans that Pakistan owed it into grants. That was a good gesture. USA gave us much more than that and we appreciate that but the relationship between USA and Pakistan is a govt based one, the people are uneasy with each other, which throws it down the hatch. Everyone knows that majority of Pakistanis do not like America but very few know that the same goes for Americans, most of them tend to believe that Pakistan is in bed with the Taliban. This paranoia leads them to making stupid statements like "Pakistan isn't doing enough in the war against terrorism" which further damages their image in Pakistan, because ask an American on ground in Pakistan and he will admit that Pakistan is doing more than all NATO countries combined and have the casualties(both enemy and friendly) and the gains to prove it.
Then there is China, the relationship between our governments are sound(unsurprisingly) but the people share a unique bond with each other as well. I will give you an example from personal experience. I went to a think-tank project where I became friends with this Chinese gentleman of about 60 years of age. I said to him: "China must get tired of having Pakistan as dead weight on it's back all the time" his response almost made me want to bow before him, he said: "I remember those days when China had nothing, countries were with Russia others were with USA and we were caught in a crack in between, then Pakistan grabbed our hand, brought us to the world stage, arranged for trading partners with us, gave us access to their ports, became the first country to operate international flights into most of China's cities, now that Pakistan is in a bad situation, Mother China is not so cruel as to leave it there and forget about all it's help." I'm sure most would agree he was being over generous but his words made me accept, that there are allies, but once or twice it so happens in world history that two countries move beyond alliance, possibly into a bond of friendship. Maybe this is what Pakistan and China have between them.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Chinese are business minded people, in fact China is a communist country and Pakistan fought against Communists.

Wrong
Pakistan fought against fascist aggressor that invaded a sovereign country and was planning to invade Pakistan to get access to the Indian Ocean.
The socio-political system had nothing to do with helping the Afghans in their fight against the invader.

Pakistan has never been anti communist in general, its stance was only to safeguard against the USSR’s expansionist policy and therefore it shared the concerns with the western Europe and that’s where it all stopped.

In addition to China Pakistan has had good relations with North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Czechoslovakia etc. which wouldn’t have been possible if it followed the blanket anti communist Western Europe/ American approach.

Bhutto did introduce the flavour of socialism into Pakistani politics & used it as the bases for this political drive but even then if he had been in charge of Pakistan during the Russian invasion then he would have fought against that “communist” (as you put it) invader.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir,please dont compare a country's military strength with respect to the geographical area. Also no one can handle us 'easily'.

you are right
and I will add
no one should have the right to handle/ invade a sovereign country. Despite all political and regional differences Pakistan should never be a part or accomplice of any such thing either overt or covert.

I really appreciate Iranian refusal to Americans when they offered friendship in return to helping them fight Sadam in the first gulf war.
Going by the saying “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”, any country would have jumped on that opportunity but Iran kept a principled line. It did condemn the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait but it also denounced the way NATO forces played out this whole liberation drama that resulted in a massive loss of life.

Iran and china are neighbours and are a key to regional mutual benefit. Too bad the Indians backed away from the trilateral gas pipeline agreement after American pressure but only that mutual benefit would have put things in motion like a chain reaction normalising of relationships between India, Pakistan and China. Mentioning Iran might look odd in this thread but I am mentioning Iran because of its relations with India & Pakistan and our lost chance regarding the energy deal. Being a “businessman” (as you put it) China would have welcomed this development because it would have only helped it if India Pakistan hostilities receded.

I must stop now because of the danger of dragging this discussion away from the subject. Coming back to your comment, no country (bar America) is in current times invading any other sovereign country. Yea the Israel is constantly expanding its borders because the world doesn’t think Palestinians don’t deserve to be treated as human hence UN human right charters don’t apply but neither India nor Pakistan are that helpless that some other country mounts an attack on them.

The west is more subtle now in such cases. It does it through its multinational companies, these behemoths buy out the natural resources of the host countries and suck it dry and move on. You might want to handle these corporations that are seemingly looking very innocent abut slowly moving towards investments in the next “liquid gold” in India….. WATER.

 

[rcrmj]

Its truly business my dear friend... They are not doing charity... I hope you are intellect enough to understand the word "Investment" ..

@3Gorge Dam: That is possible only in China. In India or Pakistan people will go on protest (massive Displacement and ecological hazard)...

@true friend: USA is your true friend, USA (not china) has given you many grants (not investment) to improve your social status. USA had given you F16 of which you are so proud of. I feel ashamed to see this ingratitude ... USA has poured billion of dollars (Grant) to pakistan, still you guys hate USA. while china has done nothing that sort of (instead killing uingher Muslim), still you love them...

Is it because China is enemy of India??? enemy of enemy is friend????

india doesnt have any friends, it doesnt mean pak dont hv friends``` jealousy``

 

[Secret Service]

Indians should understand that, China's interests is "A peaceful South Asia."
China is a trade-country, We hate any war. So we hope that India and Pakistan towards peace.
Yes, We will not directly help Pakistan war, But we also will not ask Pakistan to go to a war. We will only help Pakistan develop its economy and building the motherland. That is the difference between China and the USA.

indeed we also want peace in Pakistan as we already suffer a lot by joining hands with US ..But the problem is someone is trying to become ' Policeman ' of south Asia .

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China never advocate the escalation of war between India and Pakistan, since we are not the Western imperialists who prefer to use the Divide and Conquer tactics against the developed nations.

Our only priority is to help the developed nations to develop their sustainable economy.