China $700 billion water diversion project benefits over 100 million people

[vi-va]

Well I'm not talking about replacing the project entirely because obviously that would not be impossible. Water recycling infrastructure is too expensive to build and maintain over a large sprawling region.

But recycling water in the cities, so that there's a local water feedback loop to sustain itself in the long run, I believe that is possible.

Moreover it's climate-resistant. Even here in tropical Southeast Asia, one of the wettest regions in the world, droughts are getting more and more common.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/johor-prince-thanks-spore-for-help-during-droughts

The advanced Tuas WRP will receive used water flows from the western part of Singapore by gravity via two separate deep tunnels – a tunnel to convey domestic (municipal) used water and another to convey high-strength industrial used water. These two sources of used water will be treated separately.

Domestic used water will be treated at a 650,000m3/day (or 143 mgd) module and then further purified to NEWater, while industrial used water will be treated at a 150,000m3/day (or 33mgd) module to become industrial water and sent back to industries for reuse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_management_in_Beijing#Wastewater_treatment
Beijing, by 2015, the total volume of reclaimed water is planned to be 1 billion cubic meters per year (2.74 million cubic meters per day), bringing the share of reclaimed water to 28%.[15] The above sets of figures are inconsistent with each other, making it hard to find out the actual quantities and shares of reclaimed water.


I think there are room to improve. Singapore is role model and social development is ahead of most of countries.

As BeijingWalker, Han Patriot and you mentioned. We can only compare China with India or US. The scale of issues as we knew are so different. China can only prioritized and deal with it accordingly.

Besides, Singapore is located in a strategic location. China needs hundreds of Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew to manage this country, and we all knew it's mission impossible. Great politicians are rarer than giant pandas.

As you can see the leaders of Indian, US and across European countries, the depth of the corruption is unimaginable. Not to mention the quality of lower ranking city mayors.

In most countries, crony capitalism, entrenched corruption, a powerful security service and the absence of any rule of law has continued unchecked.

 

[Mista]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_management_in_Beijing#Wastewater_treatment
Beijing, by 2015, the total volume of reclaimed water is planned to be 1 billion cubic meters per year (2.74 million cubic meters per day), bringing the share of reclaimed water to 28%.[15] The above sets of figures are inconsistent with each other, making it hard to find out the actual quantities and shares of reclaimed water.

That's great. Recycled water is virtually unlimited. The limit is the cost of treatment, which I believe will continue to go down as technologies get more efficient. In Israel they are already using recycled water and desalinated water for agriculture, and their agriculture products are quite cost-competitive. I believe given time water technologies will be able to supply cheap water not only in the cities but agriculture as well. Urban farming maybe.

Besides, Singapore is located in a strategic location. China needs hundreds of Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew to manage this country, and we all knew it's mission impossible. Great politicians are rarer than giant pandas.

In most countries, crony capitalism, entrenched corruption, a powerful security service and the absence of any rule of law has continued unchecked.

We were lucky. LKY knew the importance of the rule of law (he topped his cohort in Cambridge) and managed to win the power struggle against the communists who have assassination squads.
Would have been a totally different Singapore if he lost. FYI more than half of our adults were illiterate migrants at that time. We could have thrown up some idealistic leader who have no idea how the modern world is run and it's the end of us.

As you can see the leaders of Indian, US and across European countries, the depth of the corruption is unimaginable. Not to mention the quality of lower ranking city mayors.

We run on different principles. Singapore's civil service and government are run like corporations where the top posts are highly paid to attract talent. In Western countries the talents go to the private sector, and those who enter politics have to find innovative ways to pay themselves. Lawyers for example are better paid than the judges in some cases. Where do you think the talent will go and what's the effect on their legal system and the integrity of the civil service?

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[Han Patriot]

Hey, Buddy, it's me. I am not against you nor anyone. I just want to exchange views with you guys and be rational.

I recently read quite a bit about South–North Water Transfer Project, found this project can divert 44.8 billion cubic meters annually. Which means we need 150 water recycling plant. It's way to expensive.

The South–North Water Transfer Project is one time investment, especially the middle route. The middle route is built on and across the North China Plain. The canal was constructed so that gravity is the force pushing the flow of the water all the way from the Danjiangkou Reservoir to Beijing, without the need for pumping stations. So no more expense for the next hundreds years(a little running fee of course). The water in middle route is clean, so water treatment expense is lower as well.

More importantly, the canal can divert much more water when there is flood in the south, and divert less when the south is dry. The water can be reserved in several lakes in the east route and some artificial lake near Beijing.

Last but not least, water plant can only serve the city near by, but water distribution is so uneven among different cities and years, seasons. Canal can redistribute water as needed. When there is too much rain, depreciation expense have to be covered by water bill even water plants are idle.

In Spring and Summer, Yangtze River will flood every year. It's the best time to divert as much water as possible. It can help to avoid some flood and benefit northern China a lot.

Chinese did quite a lot of research since 1950s in Chairman Mao's ear. In 2008 global financial crisis, China started huge infrastructure investment including high speed railway and speed up South–North Water Transfer Project(started since 2002). That's how China can still maintain economy growth. Now China enjoy 30000 km high speed railway, and avoid water crisis in dry season, unlike India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South–North_Water_Transfer_Project

I believe you can read Chinese. I attached a research paper for your reference.

China already has recycling plants but not large scale ones, it's too expensive to rely on recycling alone. Recycling plants would use more energy and require more complex technology than desalination, that's what I was trying to tell Mista. Even in Sg, half of the water is still coming from Johor, only 25-30 is from recycling.

 

[delta2]

Meanwhile Pakistan is busy giving Production Orders for murderous thieves and treating them like 7-Star hotel guests!

 

[Mista]

Even in Sg, half of the water is still coming from Johor, only 25-30 is from recycling.

That's because we can buy from them at 3 Malaysian cents per 1000 gallon lol.

 

[vi-va]

That's because we can buy from them at 3 Malaysian cents per 1000 gallon lol.

It's good deal, can't be cheaper. SG recycle water for both environment protection and strategic water self-reliance. Once SG and Malaysia relationship goes worse, SG won't be blackmailed.

SG always prepare for the worst scenario, simply look at SG's military. I have to say it's rooted in Chinese DNA. The Jews always take precautions as well.

That's how SG and Israel survived so far.

 

[Mista]

It's good deal, can't be cheaper.

Actually they benefited more as we are subsidizing and treating their water. It's win-win.

SG recycle water for both environment protection and strategic water self-reliance. Once SG and Malaysia relationship goes worse, SG won't be blackmailed.
SG always prepare for the worst scenario, simply look at SG's military. I have to say it's rooted in Chinese DNA. The Jews always take precautions as well.

That's how SG and Israel survived so far.

Malaysia thought we would be their satellite state when they expelled us as they controlled our water supply.
In the old days they used to threaten to cut off our water supply whenever there are disagreements or during election time, and LKY threaten to invade Johor if they do so lol.

https://www.malaysia-today.net/2009/08/20/muhyiddin-singapore-threatened-war-if-not-given-water/

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[vi-va]

Actually they benefited more as we are subsidizing and treating their water. It's win-win.



Malaysia thought we would be their satellite state when they expelled us as they controlled our water supply.
In the old days they used to threaten to cut off our water supply whenever there are disagreements or during election time, and LKY threaten to invade Johor if they do so lol.

https://www.malaysia-today.net/2009/08/20/muhyiddin-singapore-threatened-war-if-not-given-water/

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Unimaginable. How can SG be capable to invade Johor? LKY won't make empty threat like Trump's personality and mentality.

Seriously, is SG capable for that kind of military operation?

 

[nahtanbob]

Unimaginable. How can SG be capable to invade Johor? LKY won't make empty threat like Trump's personality and mentality.

Seriously, is SG capable for that kind of military operation?

What stops Malaysia from dumping sand & earth and filling up the waterway

 

[Mista]

Unimaginable. How can SG be capable to invade Johor? LKY won't make empty threat like Trump's personality and mentality.

Seriously, is SG capable for that kind of military operation?

No one knows, and hopefully it stays that way. All you can read are theories on the internet.

But Mahathir himself said that SG is stronger, so...

http://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=1648568

 

[vi-va]

No one knows, and hopefully it stays that way. All you can read are theories on the internet.

But Mahathir himself said that SG is stronger, so...

http://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=1648568

Interesting, though I knew SG has much bigger defense budget like $11.4 billion, in comparison, Malaysia is $3.6 billion. SG military is better equipped as well.

Considering SG population, $2000 per capita. It's a big deal. In the meantime, Israel defense budget is $20 billions. $2200 per capita.

SG do take threats seriously. Admirable.

 

[Mista]

Interesting, though I knew SG has much bigger defense budget like $11.4 billion, in comparison, Malaysia is $3.6 billion. SG military is better equipped as well.

Considering SG population, $2000 per capita. It's a big deal. In the meantime, Israel defense budget is $20 billions. $2200 per capita.

SG do take threats seriously. Admirable.

We train around the world and that is expensive. It's our largest expenditure and every male citizen has to serve 2 years in the military. Singapore isn't as lucky as HK in this regard.

 

[vi-va]

We train around the world and that is expensive. It's our largest expenditure and every male citizen has to serve 2 years in the military. Singapore isn't as lucky as HK in this regard.

Though I want to ask more questions, but we are already off topic. Thanks and I appreciate your opinions!

 

[Han Patriot]

Please get back to topic guys, SG buys water from Malaysia because building recycling plants and desal plants alone cannot meet the overall demand. And if it is met, the cost would be enormous. They are willing to produce expensive water due to strategic concerns. So in CN' case, it's better to use SNWT and supplemented by recycling and desal, no single country on earth can fully go recycling and desal.

 

[beijingwalker]