China $700 billion water diversion project benefits over 100 million people

[Mista]

Ok, maybe words between you and me don't count, let other Chinese posters decide if you are pro, neutral or against China, that can be more fair.

No no, it's not about that.

It's about, what has being pro/neutral/against China got to do with being Indian or Vietnamese in the first place?
Just simply attack and rebut the argument instead of this trollfest which has deteriorated over the past two years. This is a forum to generate discussion, and not everyone will agree or disagree with you.

You can just ignore obvious trolls like Viva_Viet, or just go along with him like I did.

 

[Viet]

you (Vietnamese) always started insulting/abusing other countries/religions first here on China & far east section, then you're attacked you country by other poster here only PDF, respect is not buys its earns if you give respect other country/Religion, you and your country get respected in response @Viet

We hate them, they hate us. We call them dog, they call us monkey. There is no respect between us, no love, no nothing. But that’s nothing special. If you think that is bad, then it’s so. That is on and off in the last 2,500 years. Unless a black hole appears on the horizon that swallows our planet, I think that situation will continue for the next 2,500 years. Cheers!

 

[shadows888]

We hate them, they hate us. We call them dog, they call us monkey. There is no respect between us, no love, no nothing. But that’s nothing special. If you think that is bad, then it’s so. That is on and off in the last 2,500 years. Unless a black hole appears on the horizon that swallows our planet, I think that situation will continue for the next 2,500 years. Cheers!

no it's just you or was it Viva_Viet?. anyway the posts are insufferable and unintelligible. and posters like you can only exist because PDF have zero moderation. this forum is basically a dead forum. mods should delete all posts with insults in them. a zero tolerance policy.

 

[vi-va]

I apologize for that.



Um...about those forum rules you were calling out...

haha.

Personally, I accept your apology. @Dubious.
Let's back to the topic, no need to be emotional, just exchange views and learn from each other. Otherwise, we are just wasting time on it.

 

[Mista]

我不知道你是中国大陆到新加坡的华人，还是老华人。

I'm a born and bred young Chinese Singaporean.

The price of water recycling for drinking standard and irrigation is different, right? What's the water recycling plant in Singapore designed for, drinking or irrigation?

Our agriculture is negligible. The plant is designed mainly with human consumption in mind.

However the recycled water is actually too clean to drink in large quantities and we have to add in minerals or mix them with rainwater for human consumption. Otherwise we use them in industrial plants which require ultra clean water, such as cleaning semiconductors.

The result is water so clean that it is in fact deemed too clean to be drunk in large quantities. Stripped of all minerals, the ultra clean water would actually leach nutrients out of our bodies, just as it would leach minerals from the metal pipes it runs through. As such NEWater is used largely by wafer-fabrication and other industrial plants involving sensitive manufacturing processes. There the NEWater is further treated into higher grade ultra pure water (UPW) and used to clean the delicate microscopic semiconductors from which computer microchips are made (read an interesting article about this “dangerously clean water” used in the manufacture of technology products). A small percentage of NEWater is also added to the raw water in our reservoirs.

NEWater is not produced for direct consumption, although samples in small drinking bottles are available and given out for publicity and promotional purposes at national events such as Singapore’s national day parade. Ironically minerals and salts have to be added back to the NEWater to make it drinkable and more palatable.

https://untouristsingapore.wordpres...emy-of-turning-sewage-into-ultra-clean-water/

FACT: Water can be too clean to drink–so clean that it’s actually not safe to drink.

That’s the kind of claim about water that people scoff at–it seems ridiculous on the face of it.

Water too clean to drink?

Give me a break. It’s water. Cleaner is better.

But this is one wild water story that’s true.

Every day, around the world, tens of millions of gallons of the cleanest water possible are created, water so clean that it is regarded as an industrial solvent, absolutely central to high-tech manufacturing but not safe for human consumption.

The clean water–it’s called ultra-pure water (UPW)–is a central part of making semiconductors, the wafers from which computer microchips are cut for everything from MRI scanners to greeting cards.

Chips and their pathways are built up in layers, and between manufacturing steps, they need to be washed clean of the solvents and debris from the layer just completed.

But the electronic pathways on microchips are now so fine they can’t be seen even with ordinary microscopes. The pathways are narrower than the wavelengths of visible light. They can only be seen with electron microscopes. And so even the absolute tiniest of debris can be like a boulder on a semiconductor–so the chips have to be washed, but with water that is itself absolutely clean.

The water must have nothing in it except water molecules–not only no specks of dirt or random ions, no salts or minerals, it can’t have any particles of any kind, not even minuscule parts of cells or viruses.

And so every microchip factory has a smaller factory inside that manufactures ultra-pure water. The ordinary person thinks of reverse-osmosis as taking “everything” out of water. RO is the process you use to turn ocean water into crystalline drinking water. And in human terms, RO does take most everything out of the water.

https://www.fastcompany.com/1750612/dangerously-clean-water-used-make-your-iphone

So I'm not sure whether you can simply recycle water into different levels and separate drinking water from irrigation water.

 

[vi-va]

I'm a born and bred young Chinese Singaporean.



Our agriculture is negligible. The plant is designed mainly with human consumption in mind.

However the recycled water is actually too clean to drink in large quantities and we have to add in minerals or mix them with rainwater for human consumption. Otherwise we use them in industrial plants which require ultra clean water, such as cleaning semiconductors.



https://untouristsingapore.wordpres...emy-of-turning-sewage-into-ultra-clean-water/



https://www.fastcompany.com/1750612/dangerously-clean-water-used-make-your-iphone

So I'm not sure whether you can simply recycle water into different levels and separate drinking water from irrigation water.

If the recycling was designed for irrigation or industry, it can lower the price. The purification standard is lower compared with drinking.

 

[Nan Yang]

We hate them, they hate us. We call them dog, they call us monkey. There is no respect between us, no love, no nothing. But that’s nothing special. If you think that is bad, then it’s so. That is on and off in the last 2,500 years. Unless a black hole appears on the horizon that swallows our planet, I think that situation will continue for the next 2,500 years. Cheers!

Comrades, there is no need for insults. Vietnamese and Chinese are like cousins. I can totally be at home with Vietnamese. 100% similar culture. Only the language is different but many Vietnamese speak Cantonese...no ?

 

[Brainsucker]

I was not talking about this particular thread, just as I asked you, we all know how many of your posts are trying to put China in a bad light so all Chinese posters don't like you, we are not narrow minded, you are, cause you always try to cut down China, if your posts about China are half of half positive and negative, Chinese posters wouldn't be hostile to you everytime they see you, even your fellow Singaporean posters don't like you here, so it's not only Chinese posters, everything happens for a reason.

Well, I don't think that @Mista is anti China. He may have some opinion that contradict on how China citizens want to promote. But overall, he's a pro China in his own way.

Oh come on @beijingwalker. China was very bad light long time ago, until they raise and struggle to get a good light that they have achieve today. But it doesn't mean that the bad is entirely vanish. There's still a lot of homework that you guys have to handle. Specially because China is a country with huge population. As Huge Population means more trouble and bad light, and more homework to handle them all.

You may want to cover the leftover bad light that still lurking inside China. But it shouldn't tarnish the good light that you guys have achieve today. Plus, without any bad light, how can China become better in the future? A perfect country won't go anywhere, as there is nothing that they have to repair to make them better.

 

[vi-va]

We hate them, they hate us. We call them dog, they call us monkey. There is no respect between us, no love, no nothing. But that’s nothing special. If you think that is bad, then it’s so. That is on and off in the last 2,500 years. Unless a black hole appears on the horizon that swallows our planet, I think that situation will continue for the next 2,500 years. Cheers!

Hey buddy, hatred without love won't work. Vietnamese are so similar to Chinese, you simply can't identify by looking and culture. The only difference between us is language, and by the way, our languages are quite similar as well. We are neighbors and cousin.

Chinese may make fun of Vietnamese sometimes, but we didn't kill each other in past decades. No war, make peace, ok?

I used to go to a Pho restaurant near my home, Vietnamese treat me very well, the soup is damn good. Last year I forgot my credit card on their counter, I came back from a trip and pick it up. And the girl looks exactly the same as Chinese, she is very beautiful and sweet smiles.

All my best wishes to you and Vietnamese. No more hatred, have fun!

Well, I don't think that @Mista is anti China. He may have some opinion that contradict on how China citizens want to promote. But overall, he's a pro China in his own way.

Oh come on @beijingwalker. China was very bad light long time ago, until they raise and struggle to get a good light that they have achieve today. But it doesn't mean that the bad is entirely vanish. There's still a lot of homework that you guys have to handle. Specially because China is a country with huge population. As Huge Population means more trouble and bad light, and more homework to handle them all.

You may want to cover the leftover bad light that still lurking inside China. But it shouldn't tarnish the good light that you guys have achieve today. Plus, without any bad light, how can China become better in the future? A perfect country won't go anywhere, as there is nothing that they have to repair to make them better.

Agree. Just do our homework. We have patience. Actions speak louder than words

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Remove/ edit your post and I did not expect such childish behavior from you!

I would have already but it is from Saturday and my edit and delete buttons are long gone.

 

[Dubious]

I would have already but it is from Saturday and my edit and delete buttons are long gone.

I will remove it now but dont ever do again!

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I will remove it now but dont ever do again!

Can we do something about the two Chinese trollers here who constantly harass people like @Mista and I (and others). This is just obnoxious. Do people have to do live Skypes with the mods just so you can see our identities and then chastise the trollers?

 

[Dubious]

Can we do something about the two Chinese trollers here who constantly harass people like @Mista and I (and others). This is just obnoxious.

quote the posts...I am too lazy to go through this 10 page thread

Leave @Mista alone he can be indian, Vietnamese, martian! Why should it matter?

 

[vi-va]

I'm talking about Beijing, not the entire North region.

And Beijing is lacking only 1.5 billion cubic meters of water. 6 of similar water recycling plants in Singapore can produce that much clean water.

Hey, Buddy, it's me. I am not against you nor anyone. I just want to exchange views with you guys and be rational.

I recently read quite a bit about South–North Water Transfer Project, found this project can divert 44.8 billion cubic meters annually. Which means we need 150 water recycling plant. It's way to expensive.

The South–North Water Transfer Project is one time investment, especially the middle route. The middle route is built on and across the North China Plain. The canal was constructed so that gravity is the force pushing the flow of the water all the way from the Danjiangkou Reservoir to Beijing, without the need for pumping stations. So no more expense for the next hundreds years(a little running fee of course). The water in middle route is clean, so water treatment expense is lower as well.

More importantly, the canal can divert much more water when there is flood in the south, and divert less when the south is dry. The water can be reserved in several lakes in the east route and some artificial lake near Beijing.

Last but not least, water plant can only serve the city near by, but water distribution is so uneven among different cities and years, seasons. Canal can redistribute water as needed. When there is too much rain, depreciation expense have to be covered by water bill even water plants are idle.

In Spring and Summer, Yangtze River will flood every year. It's the best time to divert as much water as possible. It can help to avoid some flood and benefit northern China a lot.

Chinese did quite a lot of research since 1950s in Chairman Mao's ear. In 2008 global financial crisis, China started huge infrastructure investment including high speed railway and speed up South–North Water Transfer Project(started since 2002). That's how China can still maintain economy growth. Now China enjoy 30000 km high speed railway, and avoid water crisis in dry season, unlike India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South–North_Water_Transfer_Project

I believe you can read Chinese. I attached a research paper for your reference.

 

[Mista]

I recently read quite a bit about South–North Water Transfer Project, found this project can divert 44.8 billion cubic meters annually. Which means we need 150 water recycling plant. It's way to expensive.

Well I'm not talking about replacing the project entirely because obviously that would not be impossible. Water recycling infrastructure is too expensive to build and maintain over a large sprawling region.

But recycling water in the cities, so that there's a local water feedback loop to sustain itself in the long run, I believe that is possible.

Moreover it's climate-resistant. Even here in tropical Southeast Asia, one of the wettest regions in the world, droughts are getting more and more common.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/johor-prince-thanks-spore-for-help-during-droughts