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It is not going to happen in this century!
Chicago Tribune:Chinese doctor drags M. Phelps into doping speculation
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It is not going to happen in this century!
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I know about that. Unfortunately, these new "performance enhancers" cannot be detected by the test protocols presently used by sports governing and testing bodies. Athletes are known to abuse this "loophole", more so if they come from countries where cheating is culturally encouraged.
Btw: That forum is so sick. Anywho I never understood the whole steroid thing mentality for "enhancing performance".
What is even more astonishing is a country of a billion losers winning one gold in an entire Olympics and show up every 4 years as dead weight in the greatest sporting competition on the planet.
If you take all the performance enhancing dope in the world and injected into Indian athletes you still cannot produce, a diving, swimming, basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, weightlifting, soccer etc, etc, etc champion. You can't change a born loser from birth, which is a fact supported by their dismal Olympic record which this poster should opine about then concern himself of any allege doping from other countries.
An Indian concerning himself about Olympic doping, give me a break . . . .
A typical Internet Indian, and what else do you expect from him except bashing China?
What a laughter!
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I pity you for your racist approach,it's better to sure then to assume someone guilty before proven,then again that's what Islam teaches us so...Not yet.
As for the Chinese swimmer, it has its eerie similarities with the erstwhile eastern block nations' athletes who won spectacularly in previous Olympics but were later found to be abusing novel steroids.
The allegations may or may not be true. However the tests used by the IOC for doping are usually outdated. Who knows what kind of new performance enhancing substance people may be using.
As for the propaganda fed parrot mouth idiots, just FYI, its very rare for athletes in the western countries to resort to cheating. Its looked down upon in this culture, unlike some other cultures where copying and cheating is encouraged. I know it sounds so strange, no?
So you claim that the methods that IOC uses are outdated,then the whole world must be cheating? You are also South Asians, so tell me are Indian athletes cheating?
people are free to suspect anything, but need evidence to support.
I am also suspect you are doping when you put forward that paragraph. But out of curtsy, I perhaps would not publicize it. Should I publicize it, I released a degree of hostility/mistrust against you.
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Even if every Indian athlete took drugs, they still wouldn't be medal contenders, that's how much they suck.
This is not a thread about Indians, so mods do your job.
This is not a thread about Indians, so mods do your job.
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Olympic organizers, swimming president defend China's teen sensation from doping suspicions - The Washington Post
"Olympic organizers, swimming president defend Chinas teen sensation from doping suspicions
By Associated Press, Updated: Tuesday, July 31, 12:50 PM
LONDON Olympic organizers and swimmings governing body leapt to the defense of Chinas world record-breaking teen sensation Ye Shiwen on Tuesday, with the sports president saying suspicions that she doped were crazy and motivated by jealousy and the IOC stressing its confidence in the drug-testing program.
We need to get real here, said International Olympic Committee spokesman Mark Adams. These are the worlds best athletes competing at the very highest level. Weve seen all sorts of records broken already all over the place.
Adams said the top five athletes in each event, plus two others, are tested as part of a very, very strong drug-testing program, and we are very confident if there are cheats we will catch them.
We cant stop speculation. It is inevitably a sad result of the fact that there are people who dope and who cheat, Adams said. Its very sad we cant applaud a great performance. Lets give the benefit of the doubt to the athletes.
Ye won the 400-meter individual medley on the opening day of the Olympic swimming competition, and was the favorite to win the 200 IM on Tuesday evening, too.
The 16-year-old Ye sliced through the last lap of the 400 in 28.93 seconds faster than the 29.10 American winner Ryan Lochte posted in the last 50 of the mens race. Yes time was 4:28.43, more than a second faster than the previous world record set by Australias Stephanie Rice at the 2008 Beijing Games in a now-banned bodysuit.
John Leonard, head of the American Swimming Coaches Association but not a member of the U.S. Olympic staff, was among those openly questioning Yes legitimacy. The Guardian newspaper quoted him as saying the last 100 of her race was reminiscent of some old East German swimmers.
History in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I put quotation marks around this, unbelievable, history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved, Leonard was quoted as saying.
Asked about Leonards comments, FINA president Julio Maglione told The Associated Press that people are free to say stupid things if they want.
Its a big mistake, Maglione said of Yes doubters. The people that said this is crazy.
He said FINA spends $1 million to drug-test the top 30 swimmers in the world two or three times a year and swimming is absolutely clean.
He said that he has absolutely no suspicions about Ye and that her critics are jealous because China is becoming a swimming power.
Its best for the swimming, Maglione said. Not only two or three countries. We have now 15 countries that take medals, 20 countries. That is important that many countries in the world take medals.
The anti-doping chief for Chinas General Administration of Sport, Jiang Zhixue, said Chinese athletes, including swimmers, have passed nearly 100 drug tests since they arrived in London. FINAs website shows Ye also underwent three out-of-competition drug tests from June 2011 to February this year.
Some people are just biased, the official Xinhua News Agency quoted Jiang as saying. We never questioned Michael Phelps when he bagged eight gold medals in Beijing.
Australian coach Ken Wood, who has a contract with the Chinese Swimming Association and has trained 20 of Chinas swimmers in London, accused Yes doubters of double standards.
They are just laying it on, especially the Americans because they are losing the whole damn meet, Wood told the AP by phone from Australia. They are creating double standards.
He said China is extremely strict about adhering to its anti-doping rules. He said a group of about a dozen Chinese swimmers including some now in London who came to his academy to train a few years ago were temporarily suspended from competing after drug testers couldnt find them where they had said they would be. The swimmers mistakenly listed the pool, instead of their nearby rented accommodation, as the place to find them for drug tests, he said.
What happened was the drug testers came around and said, Where are the Chinese? I said they are not training now, Wood said. They couldnt find them when they wanted to.
So the Chinese Swimming Association immediately banned them and said, Right. Oh, they cant swim anymore, he told the AP. Thats how stringent they are.
He wrote to the CSA explaining that the mistake was a language issue and that the swimmers had given the wrong address. Chinese authorities later wrote back saying they accepted his explanation, and the swimmers were reinstated, he said. They did suspend them and I had to write a letter, he said.
They reinstated them and sent me a letter and said, Thank you very much. We have no reason to doubt the veracity of your statement.
He said the Chinese swimmers are subjected to frequent doping tests.
They hit them all the time, he said. Some of the swimmers got tested three times in one week.
Sebastian Coe, head of the London organizing committee, said it would very unfair to judge an athlete by a sudden breakthrough.
What you tend to forget is probably the 10 years of work thats already gone in to get to that point, he said on ITV News. You need to look back through her career. I think youve got to be very careful when you make judgments like that, but, yes, it is an extraordinary breakthrough.
John Brewer, a board member of UK Anti-Doping and director of sport at the University of Bedfordshire, also talked down doubts about Ye.
Drug testing procedures in place at the London 2012 Olympics are extremely rigorous, and the storage of samples for eight years after the games makes doping a very high-risk strategy, he said. We should not be surprised by exceptional performances since gold-medal winning athletes are inevitably different to the rest of us due to their talent, training and lifestyles.
China, with 1.3 billion people, has a vast pool of talent to choose from ... so we should not be too surprised when an individual with exceptional talent emerges, he added.
Ye is known for her large hands and feet, but otherwise shes smaller than other swimmers at 5-foot-7 (1.72 meters) and 141 pounds (64 kilograms).
One of the interesting things about swimming is people dont swim the same way, said Bob Bowman, Phelps coach. They have to swim the way their body is made, so thats what shes doing. Shes taking advantage of her size.
I dont think that 4:28 is an impossible time in the 400 IM, I think its a perfectly logical time for someone to go, he said of her world-record swim. The girl has good technique. She had an amazing last 100 but people do amazing things sometimes.
I trust the testing service and I know that Michael was tested nonstop and were very careful about what goes into his body, and I assume that other competitors are, too, Bowman added."
"Olympic organizers, swimming president defend Chinas teen sensation from doping suspicions
By Associated Press, Updated: Tuesday, July 31, 12:50 PM
LONDON Olympic organizers and swimmings governing body leapt to the defense of Chinas world record-breaking teen sensation Ye Shiwen on Tuesday, with the sports president saying suspicions that she doped were crazy and motivated by jealousy and the IOC stressing its confidence in the drug-testing program.
We need to get real here, said International Olympic Committee spokesman Mark Adams. These are the worlds best athletes competing at the very highest level. Weve seen all sorts of records broken already all over the place.
Adams said the top five athletes in each event, plus two others, are tested as part of a very, very strong drug-testing program, and we are very confident if there are cheats we will catch them.
We cant stop speculation. It is inevitably a sad result of the fact that there are people who dope and who cheat, Adams said. Its very sad we cant applaud a great performance. Lets give the benefit of the doubt to the athletes.
Ye won the 400-meter individual medley on the opening day of the Olympic swimming competition, and was the favorite to win the 200 IM on Tuesday evening, too.
The 16-year-old Ye sliced through the last lap of the 400 in 28.93 seconds faster than the 29.10 American winner Ryan Lochte posted in the last 50 of the mens race. Yes time was 4:28.43, more than a second faster than the previous world record set by Australias Stephanie Rice at the 2008 Beijing Games in a now-banned bodysuit.
John Leonard, head of the American Swimming Coaches Association but not a member of the U.S. Olympic staff, was among those openly questioning Yes legitimacy. The Guardian newspaper quoted him as saying the last 100 of her race was reminiscent of some old East German swimmers.
History in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I put quotation marks around this, unbelievable, history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved, Leonard was quoted as saying.
Asked about Leonards comments, FINA president Julio Maglione told The Associated Press that people are free to say stupid things if they want.
Its a big mistake, Maglione said of Yes doubters. The people that said this is crazy.
He said FINA spends $1 million to drug-test the top 30 swimmers in the world two or three times a year and swimming is absolutely clean.
He said that he has absolutely no suspicions about Ye and that her critics are jealous because China is becoming a swimming power.
Its best for the swimming, Maglione said. Not only two or three countries. We have now 15 countries that take medals, 20 countries. That is important that many countries in the world take medals.
The anti-doping chief for Chinas General Administration of Sport, Jiang Zhixue, said Chinese athletes, including swimmers, have passed nearly 100 drug tests since they arrived in London. FINAs website shows Ye also underwent three out-of-competition drug tests from June 2011 to February this year.
Some people are just biased, the official Xinhua News Agency quoted Jiang as saying. We never questioned Michael Phelps when he bagged eight gold medals in Beijing.
Australian coach Ken Wood, who has a contract with the Chinese Swimming Association and has trained 20 of Chinas swimmers in London, accused Yes doubters of double standards.
They are just laying it on, especially the Americans because they are losing the whole damn meet, Wood told the AP by phone from Australia. They are creating double standards.
He said China is extremely strict about adhering to its anti-doping rules. He said a group of about a dozen Chinese swimmers including some now in London who came to his academy to train a few years ago were temporarily suspended from competing after drug testers couldnt find them where they had said they would be. The swimmers mistakenly listed the pool, instead of their nearby rented accommodation, as the place to find them for drug tests, he said.
What happened was the drug testers came around and said, Where are the Chinese? I said they are not training now, Wood said. They couldnt find them when they wanted to.
So the Chinese Swimming Association immediately banned them and said, Right. Oh, they cant swim anymore, he told the AP. Thats how stringent they are.
He wrote to the CSA explaining that the mistake was a language issue and that the swimmers had given the wrong address. Chinese authorities later wrote back saying they accepted his explanation, and the swimmers were reinstated, he said. They did suspend them and I had to write a letter, he said.
They reinstated them and sent me a letter and said, Thank you very much. We have no reason to doubt the veracity of your statement.
He said the Chinese swimmers are subjected to frequent doping tests.
They hit them all the time, he said. Some of the swimmers got tested three times in one week.
Sebastian Coe, head of the London organizing committee, said it would very unfair to judge an athlete by a sudden breakthrough.
What you tend to forget is probably the 10 years of work thats already gone in to get to that point, he said on ITV News. You need to look back through her career. I think youve got to be very careful when you make judgments like that, but, yes, it is an extraordinary breakthrough.
John Brewer, a board member of UK Anti-Doping and director of sport at the University of Bedfordshire, also talked down doubts about Ye.
Drug testing procedures in place at the London 2012 Olympics are extremely rigorous, and the storage of samples for eight years after the games makes doping a very high-risk strategy, he said. We should not be surprised by exceptional performances since gold-medal winning athletes are inevitably different to the rest of us due to their talent, training and lifestyles.
China, with 1.3 billion people, has a vast pool of talent to choose from ... so we should not be too surprised when an individual with exceptional talent emerges, he added.
Ye is known for her large hands and feet, but otherwise shes smaller than other swimmers at 5-foot-7 (1.72 meters) and 141 pounds (64 kilograms).
One of the interesting things about swimming is people dont swim the same way, said Bob Bowman, Phelps coach. They have to swim the way their body is made, so thats what shes doing. Shes taking advantage of her size.
I dont think that 4:28 is an impossible time in the 400 IM, I think its a perfectly logical time for someone to go, he said of her world-record swim. The girl has good technique. She had an amazing last 100 but people do amazing things sometimes.
I trust the testing service and I know that Michael was tested nonstop and were very careful about what goes into his body, and I assume that other competitors are, too, Bowman added."
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Not yet.
As for the Chinese swimmer, it has its eerie similarities with the erstwhile eastern block nations' athletes who won spectacularly in previous Olympics but were later found to be abusing novel steroids.
The allegations may or may not be true. However the tests used by the IOC for doping are usually outdated. Who knows what kind of new performance enhancing substance people may be using.
As for the propaganda fed parrot mouth idiots, just FYI, its very rare for athletes in the western countries to resort to cheating. Its looked down upon in this culture, unlike some other cultures where copying and cheating is encouraged. I know it sounds so strange, no?
Now she was cleared of using drug indian slave cheering for his master making idiotic allegation the IOC testing facility is outdated
and if that proved wrong again you can bet your last dollar this fool will accuse her having a sex changeLOL!
Even if you poison the Indians with the purist doping substances, they could still do nothing. Still worse than a poverty-stricken N Korea.
No, no. Not quite. He was just under influence. I.e., just got doped.
Ye has been proved to be clean.
So US coach John Leonard's inappropriate remarks is not cheap???
As Gina Heyn points out on twitter, guess who had a faster closing 50m than both Ye Shiwen and Ryan Lochte.... Rebecca Adlington. In the 800 free final in Shanghai last year Adlington had a final 50 split of 28.91, two hundredths of a second faster than Ye Shiwen's closing split. Nobody questioned Adlington after her swim or how she was able to swim a "man's" split at the end of a gruelling 800 free, nor should they.
If what Ye did in the last 100m was “impossible”, a “historic anomaly”, and “just not right”, then in Shanghai 2011 world swimming championship, Rebecca Adlington’s final 50m in 28.91 seconds must also have aroused the suspicion of the Executive Director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, surely? Especially when you consider that Adlington’s final length was NOT at the end of a 400m medley, like Ye’s. She did it at the end of an 800m freestyle. If it’s impossible for Ye to do that at the end of a 400m race, then how impossible is it for Adlington to do it at the end of an 800m race? Can you have double-impossible?
So US coach John Leonard's inappropriate remarks is not cheap???
As Gina Heyn points out on twitter, guess who had a faster closing 50m than both Ye Shiwen and Ryan Lochte.... Rebecca Adlington. In the 800 free final in Shanghai last year Adlington had a final 50 split of 28.91, two hundredths of a second faster than Ye Shiwen's closing split. Nobody questioned Adlington after her swim or how she was able to swim a "man's" split at the end of a gruelling 800 free, nor should they.
If what Ye did in the last 100m was “impossible”, a “historic anomaly”, and “just not right”, then in Shanghai 2011 world swimming championship, Rebecca Adlington’s final 50m in 28.91 seconds must also have aroused the suspicion of the Executive Director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, surely? Especially when you consider that Adlington’s final length was NOT at the end of a 400m medley, like Ye’s. She did it at the end of an 800m freestyle. If it’s impossible for Ye to do that at the end of a 400m race, then how impossible is it for Adlington to do it at the end of an 800m race? Can you have double-impossible?
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dont you worry about it mate if they dont get any medal they can still cheer leader for their white master
Well, if that is the case that China can produce undetectable super enhancer drugs, I think China sports Association should leave a number for all of those foreign athletes to call. It indeed can make a ton of money, right? Thinking about the professional sports markets: NFL, NHL, MLB, MLS, NBA, WNBA, premier league and etc.... I bet a lot of NCAA players want that drugs too, right???
I know about that
Btw: That forum is so sick. Anywho I never understood the whole steroid thing mentality for "enhancing performance".
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LOL!
Even if you poison the Indians with the purist doping substances, they could still do nothing. Still worse than a poverty-stricken N Korea.
No, no. Not quite. He was just under influence. I.e., just got doped.
Oh. Is that an explanation for some chinese athletes not winning any medals
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So the Indians consider the US coach instead of the IOC officials.
The coach must be psychic,he conclude she was on drugs just by looking at her while the IOC cleared her!
All Hail the US coach!
They are topping the charts so your argument is invalid.
Off Topic!
I was really impressed by Chinese women synchronized diving team! i mean they won by an extremely big margin! Kudos to them!
The coach must be psychic,he conclude she was on drugs just by looking at her while the IOC cleared her!
All Hail the US coach!
not doing any good mate,just look up their medal tally.Oh. Is that an explanation for some chinese athletes not winning any medals
They are topping the charts so your argument is invalid.
Off Topic!
I was really impressed by Chinese women synchronized diving team! i mean they won by an extremely big margin! Kudos to them!
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