Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[CIA Mole]

Unless J20 is really cheap, isn't it overly complex for limited tasks such as getting to AWACs or shooting off 6 missiles and running away?

Why not have unmanned delivery vehicle for the same task which would be more disposable, smaller/stealthier, cheaper, and less complex (no canards?)?

Why risk a good pilot and expensive vehicle for such a task?

 

[lcloo]

Unless J20 is really cheap, isn't it overly complex for limited tasks such as getting to AWACs or shooting off 6 missiles and running away?

Why not have unmanned delivery vehicle for the same task which would be more disposable, smaller/stealthier, cheaper, and less complex (no canards?)?

Why risk a good pilot and expensive vehicle for such a task?

Shooting down an AWCCs or shooting 6 missiles and run away is Western ideas imposed on J20, and picked up by forum members as if this is the PLAAF doctrine for J20. PLAAF never mentioned such doctrine.

Fact is that J20s have been engaged in aerial combat exercises with J10, J11 and J16 and have scored great number of kills against zero loss. They don't just shoot at some slow moving large aircraft and run away, they will engage any enemy fighter jets, including stealth jets.

Western experts expect that J20 would be like cold war era interceptor merely based on the shape and size of J20. This is a flaw thinking.

Taking advantage of its stealth, J20 would shoot first at long range before the enemy can act. If all 6 missiles hit their targets, that would be a huge achievement by a single fighter jet since WW2. Even in Vietnam war and Korea war no pilot could achieve 6 kills in a single sortie. This is not just a big deal, but huge one, if all missiles score kills.

 

[CIA Mole]

Shooting down an AWCCs or shooting 6 missiles and run away is Western ideas imposed on J20, and picked up by forum members as if this is the PLAAF doctrine for J20. PLAAF never mentioned such doctrine.

Fact is that J20s have been engaged in aerial combat exercises with J10, J11 and J16 and have scored great number of kills against zero loss. They don't just shoot at some slow moving large aircraft and run away, they will engage any enemy fighter jets, including stealth jets.

Western experts expect that J20 would be like cold war era interceptor merely based on the shape and size of J20. This is a flaw thinking.

Taking advantage of its stealth, J20 would shoot first at long range before the enemy can act. If all 6 missiles hit their targets, that would be a huge achievement by a single fighter jet since WW2. Even in Vietnam war and Korea war no pilot could achieve 6 kills in a single sortie. This is not just a big deal, but huge one, if all missiles score kills.

Still, if the role is to hit with 6 missiles, does it need to be manned and so complex? Wouldn't unmanned fighter have even better maneuverability and response times?

I would like to see China jump to 6th gen and limit J20 production.

 

[Figaro]

Unless J20 is really cheap, isn't it overly complex for limited tasks such as getting to AWACs or shooting off 6 missiles and running away?

Why not have unmanned delivery vehicle for the same task which would be more disposable, smaller/stealthier, cheaper, and less complex (no canards?)?

Why risk a good pilot and expensive vehicle for such a task?

You have basically debunked the theory that the J-20 is primarily an AWAC interceptor/aerial sniper. Now you can see why the theory is so stupid (along with the stealthy striker). The J-20 is first and foremost an air superiority fighter aimed at taking on other fifth generation fighters (e.g. F-35, F-22, Su-57).

Still, if the role is to hit with 6 missiles, does it need to be manned and so complex? Wouldn't unmanned fighter have even better maneuverability and response times?

I would like to see China jump to 6th gen and limit J20 production.

Why? The J-20 is a very capable fighter that has been in development for the past two decades. Chengdu claims that its 6th generation fighter will become operational before 2035, which if true, is already insane. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here.

 

[LKJ86]

if the role is to hit with 6 missiles

1. how many missiles do you need a 5th-generation fighter to lanuch in a mission?
2. What can't J-20 do by comparing with F-22, F-35, or Su-57?

 

[CIA Mole]

1. how many missiles do you need a 5th-generation fighter to lanuch in a mission?
2. What can't J-20 do by comparing with F-22, F-35, or Su-57?

It doesn't have internal anti-surface/ship loadout and cannon? (I may be wrong on this)

 

[LKJ86]

It doesn't have internal anti-surface loadout

LOL
How do you know it doesn't have?

cannon?

J-20 has side weapon bays, and short-range AAMs can do that job.
Besides, F-35B/C also don't have cannon.

 

[Figaro]

It doesn't have internal anti-surface/ship loadout and cannon? (I may be wrong on this)

J-20 actually has a gun port ... it has not been equipped with one yet because the WS-15 isn't ready yet. Yankee confirmed this.

 

[LKJ86]

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[siegecrossbow]

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Old photos.

 

[Beast]

J-20 has side weapon bays, and short-range AAMs can do that job.
Besides, F-35B/C also don't have cannon.

Worst, F-35B do not have side WVRAAM bay.

 

[Deino]

Old photos.

Yes, but anyway nice and I think they were not posted in this quality.

 

[Beast]

J-20 actually has a gun port ... it has not been equipped with one yet because the WS-15 isn't ready yet. Yankee confirmed this.

Nothing to do with engine but more to do with doctrine. Days of gun battle is very likely over. This is no more era of mig-17 vs F-4 phantom

 

[LKJ86]

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[Figaro]

Nothing to do with engine but more to do with doctrine. Days of gun battle is very likely over. This is no more era of mig-17 vs F-4 phantom

The gun is still a fail safe ... in the Vietnam War, they too thought the era of gun battles were over initially. There is always a chance that the aircraft will come within visual range, and then what would you do? What you're saying is like not purchasing car insurance because you don't think you will get into an accident. Besides, Yankee said there was a dedicated gunport so it shouldn't come as a surprise.