Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[siegecrossbow]

This looks like a TVC assisted maneuver out of a falling flat spin at low altitude.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1434566745533079559

Looks like a standard Immelmann’s turn to me.

 

[DJ_Viper]

This looks like a TVC assisted maneuver out of a falling flat spin at low altitude.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1434566745533079559

Heavy engines, lighter / stealthier airframe with composites, no loadout and light fuel, you'd see the agility. Plus, the canards as is will give it agility. With a full loadout, it will be difficult to point to anyone's six without the TVC. It will be needed in case of a faceoff.

 

[kungfugymnast]

It is more than obviously a USAF RQ-180

Good, I can suggest this in their thread when others guessed B-2, H-20

 

[52051]

Good, I can suggest this in their thread when others guessed B-2, H-20

It takes tremendously amount of fanboyism to believe China would fly her top secret prototype bomber in a contested airspace like South China sea.

 

[IblinI]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435158034850861056

not sure about this 150 though. @Deino

 

[kungfugymnast]

Heavy engines, lighter / stealthier airframe with composites, no loadout and light fuel, you'd see the agility. Plus, the canards as is will give it agility. With a full loadout, it will be difficult to point to anyone's six without the TVC. It will be needed in case of a faceoff.

Yes TVC is important for dogfight and also high altitude maneuvering especially when flying fast. Also the J-20 will be perfect if fitted a gun.

It takes tremendously amount of fanboyism to believe China would fly her top secret prototype bomber in a contested airspace like South China sea.

Definitely not the prototype, at least production model where everything is proven and working such as J-20B/C

 

[DJ_Viper]

Yes TVC is important for dogfight and also high altitude maneuvering especially when flying fast. Also the J-20 will be perfect if fitted a gun.

That's a horrible idea to take a large strike jet and put a gun for it for a dog fight. The stealth tier should never come to a situation for a dog fight. For that, the USAF would move up the -15 and -16's. Similarly, the Chinese would probably put the J-10's, J-11's, and J-16's for that role.

 

[Deino]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435158034850861056

not sure about this 150 though. @Deino

Surely not! There are in no way 150 J-20s already in service and even if we surely don't know all individual aircraft, there are at best between 50-60 operational now in two FTTB units and two true fighter brigades.

 

[ozranger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435507068849504256

 

[kungfugymnast]

That's a horrible idea to take a large strike jet and put a gun for it for a dog fight. The stealth tier should never come to a situation for a dog fight. For that, the USAF would move up the -15 and -16's. Similarly, the Chinese would probably put the J-10's, J-11's, and J-16's for that role.

Never underestimate the requirement of having gun on fighter. If there's a B-2 about to enter cruise missile effective range and your J-20 ran out of PL-10 while PL-15 can't track, you can still destroy the B-2 using gun. Also if J-20 is up against F-22 and missiles don't work due to stealth, the gun is all you can count on. J-20 & F-22 never met in combat, both won't know if their missiles would be able to hit each other.

 

[DJ_Viper]

Never underestimate the requirement of having gun on fighter. If there's a B-2 about to enter cruise missile effective range and your J-20 ran out of PL-10 while PL-15 can't track, you can still destroy the B-2 using gun. Also if J-20 is up against F-22 and missiles don't work due to stealth, the gun is all you can count on. J-20 & F-22 never met in combat, both won't know if their missiles would be able to hit each other.

This is fundamental difference in how the US strategists think and others. Your J-20 or B1, etc, should never be in a position to requiring a gun. If that ever could happen, that immediately means that your Tier I, II and support / backup aircraft have all been destroyed. So then your one jet won't see any different of a fat, even IF it had a weapon. Weapons are created per strategies, strategies are created to counter scenarios and situations, these jets are not created for a dog fight like an F-16 or F-16 would do. That's a billion dollars being put at risk to be quickly wasted. A race car, a truck and a bus are designed for VERY different applications in life. They can't be the same.

 

[Deino]

I must admit, I'm still sceptical ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435920352446615557

 

[S10]

I must admit, I'm still sceptical ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435920352446615557

So am I.

I think it might be an improved WS-10C with 15 tons of thrust. From all the info I've been reading, it doesn't look like WS-15 would be ready before 2023.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435158034850861056

not sure about this 150 though. @Deino

150 is way to many. I think approximate 4 regiments (~80) is the more likely number.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

From all the info I've been reading, it doesn't look like WS-15 would be ready before 2023.

What info is that? And ready as in ready for production or ready for flight testing?

 

[White and Green with M/S]

What info is that? And ready as in ready for production or ready for flight testing?

I think ready for flight testing on J20