Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[LKJ86]

No J-10C?

They are just from the same regiment...

 

[LKJ86]

Via @空天砺剑 from Weibo

 

[Deino]

They are just from the same regiment...

Looks like 172nd Air Brigade

 

[Deino]

J-20, J-16, JL-10, and Su-30MKK
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Via @空军发布 from Weixin and @yankeesama的帧察小队 from Weibo

See here:

 

[LKJ86]

Old pics

Via @机外停车Rabbit from Weibo

 

[Deino]

Just for fun ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1103717535050940416

... at first sight I thought it is the rumoured J-35 as a model!

 

[LKJ86]

Via @万全 from Weibo

 

[kungfugymnast]

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Via @万全 from Weibo

Any idea what is the maximum dry & afterburning thrust WS10 can it tune? Dry 20,000lb & 31,000lb with afterburner? Or 22,000lb & 33,000lb respectively?
Empty weight 42,000lb
Gross weight 71,000lb (larger internal fuel)

F22 dry thrust 26,000lb & 35,000lb with afterburner giving it high thrust to weight on dry thrust alone.
Empty weight 43,000lb
Gross weight 65,000lb

WS15 engine goal is to achieve 40,000lb with afterburner? It means dry thrust around 30,000lb? Looking at empty weight, the J20 is lighter than F22 and the gross weight depends on how much internal fuel it carries. The maximum takeoff weight also depends on armament payload. If it's not on long range strike interdiction, it could cut weight on internal fuel 15,000-18,000lb with 2x PL10 and 4x PL12, the WS10 thrust is adequate to power it around.

 

[Deino]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1250106914282901507

What do you think?

 

[Figaro]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1250106914282901507

What do you think?

How can you tell its WS-10

 

[ILC]

For me, it looks like the usual Al-31

 

[juj06750]

How can you tell its WS-10

hey, annoying american
you ask the same question for years
plz go to engine thread; thousands of asnwers for you;
this forum is not for repeated arguments but for exchange of solid evidence

 

[Deino]

hey, annoying american
you ask the same question for years
plz go to engine thread; thousands of asnwers for you;
this forum is not for repeated arguments but for exchange of solid evidence

Hey, self-proclaimed China-specialist (in fact I try to avoid the term "annoying") ... please go to all the threads where you posted ridiculous claims without proof and against anything what all reliable "big-shrimps" post and prove what you post?! Otherwise such questions are more than legit ...

Therefore I only love to quote yourself "his forum is not for repeated arguments but for exchange of solid evidence" and none of these "solid evidence" You gave so far.

I would rate this post therefore as pure trolling!

How can you tell its WS-10

I cannot, my argument was that Yukikaze told me that it would be 100% for sure a WS-10C powered one - also since it is said to be a recent image taken at CAC and all J-20s built since last year are using that engine. Otherwise I agree, the nozzle is strange - too long and not dark enough - for a WS-10C.

For me, it looks like the usual Al-31

I think you are correct, after looking again and again I think it is indeed a regular AL-31FN.

 

[juj06750]

the pic quality is very low; hard to determine type of engine on it
but I rather discuss about why so many western foreigners are very sensitive to chinese engines
bringing such engine debate by just uploading uncertain pic is very ridicuous by itself
it never ends and goes forever on this forum
I believe they really like the engine debate based on pic from uncertain media
again deino brought another pic for the unnecessary debate

 

[Deino]

the pic quality is very low; hard to determine type of engine on it
but I rather discuss about why so many western foreigners are very sensitive to chinese engines
bringing such engine debate by just uploading uncertain pic is very ridicuous by itself
it never ends and goes forever on this forum
I believe they really like the engine debate based on uncertain pic (especially deino)
today deino brought another pic again

I think the main reason for our dispute are indeed actually cultural differences: While you constantly accuse me of better listening to Chinese sources - the right Chinese ones - instead of relying on foreign sources and photos only, I (and other long-noses too) do exactly the opposite: As long as nothing has been confirmed with a photo, there remains a doubt and if no photo, then at least that info must be from a reliable source.
However, your statements (J-11B and J-15 are using already AESA, etc.) are not mentioned by any of the reliable Chinese sources, quite to the contrary, they even most often contradict you.

Therefore, at least as long as you don't provide a piece of evidence or proof, your statements are at exactly on the same level of reliability as all Indian statements, the Tejas Mk. 2 will be SUUUPER soon and Orca as a twin-engined development will be even better.

I'm a nature scientist, I studied Chemistry and Biology and therefore I simply cannot believe any claim without a proof.