Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Figaro]

Oh come on ... "China's J-20, J-31 and H-20 fighter jets are now powered by homemade engines that feature domestic single-crystal turbine blades," Xu added."

There is no J-31 right now and even less a H-20 fighter ! That report is so full of crap and BS.

It's referring to the FC-31 and H-XX bomber respectively ... maybe they know more about the H-20 than we do?

 

[Deino]

It's referring to the FC-31 and H-XX bomber respectively ... maybe they know more about the H-20 than we do?

But that's the point: they are maybe, probably or whatever referring to the FC-31 and H-XX but saying J-31 and H-20 fighter !

I know what they wanted to say, but they did not and that's the point especially since some certain members here try to take each and every such report for holy gospel.

 

[grey boy 2]

New picture?

 

[Figaro]

New picture?

I think this has already been posted except with a new filter/tint (most likely edited)

 

[j20blackdragon]

New bird with new engines?

Thank you.

"China's J-20, J-31 and H-20 fighter jets are now powered by homemade engines that feature domestic single-crystal turbine blades," Xu added.

Thank you.

What will the naysayers say now?

Also let me quickly remind everyone that the nozzle/afterburner of an engine can be a fully removable and interchangeable module, for example on the F100.

Until you've seen the J-20's engine core and fan, don't jump to conclusions.

The only thing we can confirm right now is that they are transitioning to a serrated stealth nozzle. Just because something looks like WS-10 doesn't mean it is.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Until you've seen the J-20's engine core and fan, don't jump to conclusions.

The only thing we can confirm right now is that they are transitioning to a serrated stealth nozzle. Just because something looks like WS-10 doesn't mean it is.

Well, another big shrimp Laoma stated in several years ago that the new engine with the serrated stealth nozzle as the real WS-15, and he also implied that the previous engines were the WS-10X incorporated with some WS-15 technology.

So soon we will the WS-10G vs WS-15 battle.

 

[gambit]

Note, you can not decrease the RCS, indefinitely, because it gets harder and harder, after a while.

Wrong. The radar cross section ( RCS ) value is often called, by professionals in the radar engineering field, as a 'fictitious' figure.

It is fictional not in the sense that we just made it up out of nothing. The value is fictional in the sense that the value changes because of many factors. Some within our control, some regardless.

For example...

Let us be clear on the difference between 'stationary' and 'fix'. People uses the two words interchangeably in casual conversations and nothing wrong with that. But in critical categorization, how they are used in certain contexts affects design parameters.

A radar station can be stationary but not fixed, meaning the radar is not mobile but can scan in 360 deg. The typical airport airspace management radar is this type.

If the seeking radar is stationary but not fixed, as the aircraft transverses the radar view, beginning from frontal, which is the smallest RCS, to full side view, which is the largest, then to rear aspect, which is smaller than side but greater than front, the RCS value changes as the radar follows the aircraft's path.

If the seeking radar is stationary and fixed, as the aircraft transverses the radar view, there will only a brief moment of detection of the frontal aspect.

The RCS value, which is a data processing function of the receiver part of the seeking radar, COMPLETELY depends on the reflected signals from the target. If the target is able to control those reflected signals to any degree, the RCS value changes accordingly.

The data processing function of the seeking radar is not within our control. But the reflected signals are absolutely within our control. The current method of affecting reflected signals is shaping with some assistance from absorber, which is materials control. We have done it to greater than %90 of degree of control as evident by actual combat experience. Shaping is essentially redirection of those reflected signals.

If we are able to achieve %100 degree of control of those reflected signals off the aircraft, the RCS value will drop to zero. At this point, there is a high probability that even quantum radar signals can be negatively affected.

 

[clarkgap]

Well, another big shrimp Laoma stated in several years ago that the new engine with the serrated stealth nozzle as the real WS-15, and he also implied that the previous engines were the WS-10X incorporated with some WS-15 technology.

So soon we will the WS-10G vs WS-15 battle.

yankeesama and pupu both said it is a version of WS-10, also its impulsion only have a small improvement.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

yankeesama and pupu both said it is a version of WS-10, also its impulsion only have a small improvement.

According to CCTV-4, the WS-10 is the third gen, while the WS-15 is the fifth gen. So the WS-10B must be considered as the fourth gen.

The WS-10B must be the J-20 engine that mentioned by the documentary of CCTV-4.

 

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[clarkgap]

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According to CCTV-4, the WS-10 is the third gen, while the WS-15 is the fifth gen. So the WS-10B must be considered as the fourth gen.

The WS-10B must be the J-20 engine that mentioned by the documentary of CCTV-4.

Yes,WS10b is the fourth gen.

I always think if there is a 'B' in the tail it must have something different from the 'a', look at the sawtooth nozzle.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

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Yes,WS10b is the fourth gen.

I always think if there is a 'B' in the tail it must have something different from the 'a', look at the sawtooth nozzle.

There are so many examples of the improved version in the same family being a standalone generation.

Just look at the Type 093B from the Type 093, the DF-31AG from the DF-31, and the Type 002 from the Type 001.

Although the WS-10B is a member of the WS-10 family, but it is still a categorized as a generation ahead.

Since the original WS-10 is 120KN, and now the most optimized version used by the J-16 is 135KN.

So if the original WS-10B is 140KN, then the most optimized version used by the J-20 could be 155KN.

 

[clarkgap]

There are so many examples of the improved version in the same family being a standalone generation.

Just look at the Type 093B from the Type 093, the DF-31AG from the DF-31, and the Type 002 from the Type 001.

Although the WS-10B is a member of the WS-10 family, but it is still a categorized as a generation ahead.

Since the original WS-10 is 120KN, and now the most optimized version used by the J-16 is 135KN.

So if the original WS-10B is 140KN, then the most optimized version used by the J-20 could be 155KN.

WS-10 can not be 15t. Indeed, it perhaps is lower than 14t.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

WS-10 can not be 15t. Indeed, it perhaps is lower than 14t.

Then it cannot be a generation ahead of the WS-10.

Even the WS-10A2 used by the J-16 is 135KN.