Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[HRK]

J-20 operational by 2017, 3 years from now, not 8 to 10 years.

I think there is some typo error in that post, attached pic is showing "Unmanned Combat Air Vichel Concept- Anjian"

 

[siegecrossbow]

You meant to say after 8-10 years when hopefully it is fully operational and upto the western standards, that too if US leaves the Asia and other major countries didn't field new airplanes. Looks good as a strike bomber though

Bombers that have dedicated sidebays for shortrange IR-missiles?

 

[trident2010]

You're already looking at the pre-production J-20. It won't be very long now.

At the rate China is advancing, you should probably be expecting something like this in 8-10 years.

The J-20 could be the least of your concerns at that point.

Still too many things to achieve. China still lagging far behind in 5th techs in engines, avionics, radars and weapons. It will take atleast 8-10 years to get what west/Russia has it now, However, good effort nonetheless.

Bombers that have dedicated sidebays for shortrange IR-missiles?

Nothing unique, Su-34 also carry both A2G and A2A armaments. It is a strike bomber though

 

[nomi007]

- Clipped corners on canard/v-tails
- Redesign slender intakes with bump larger or protruding more
- Light-grey colour scheme
- Larger weapon bay and smaller wing actuators
- Straightened leading edge
Inner canopy frame
- Redesigned front landing gear door
- New EOTS-like sensor and holographic HUD display
- Redesigned rear fuselage around the engines and nozzles moved further in with longer tail sting.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Still too many things to achieve. China still lagging far behind in 5th techs in engines, avionics, radars and weapons. It will take atleast 8-10 years to get what west/Russia has it now, However, good effort nonetheless.



Nothing unique, Su-34 also carry both A2G and A2A armaments. It is a strike bomber though

It is easier for 4th gen fighter/fighter bombers to do this since they can mount IR missile on external pylons. There is no reason for a 5th gen fighter with internal bay to do this if air-to-air is not considered. Remember, creating side weaponsbays adds weight and complexity.

 

[Akasa]

Still too many things to achieve. China still lagging far behind in 5th techs in engines, avionics, radars and weapons. It will take atleast 8-10 years to get what west/Russia has it now, However, good effort nonetheless.




Nothing unique, Su-34 also carry both A2G and A2A armaments. It is a strike bomber though

That is a very inaccurate assumption and one based on stereotypes. The avionics and the subsystems of the J-20 has already been completed by 2009 and was in incremental improvements program ever since. Unlike Russia, China has the luxury of multiple corporations and the competition between them to generate a high quality supply chain. The Chinese also have far more experience and has produced far more models of fifth generation avionics than Russia has. Note how, for example, China has deployed AESA radars on the KJ-2000, KJ-200, KJ-500, ZDK03, J-15, J-16, J-11B, J-10B, and Z-8AEW, ever since 2003, while Russia has not even had a single AESA radar in successful service. The same goes for weapons. The Chinese have already tested their fifth generation engine in 2009 and rumors claim that another one will be done in 2014.

J-20 is not a bomber.

 

[trident2010]

That is a very inaccurate assumption and one based on stereotypes. The avionics and the subsystems of the J-20 has already been completed by 2009 and was in incremental improvements program ever since. Unlike Russia, China has the luxury of multiple corporations and the competition between them to generate a high quality supply chain. The Chinese also have far more experience and has produced far more models of fifth generation avionics than Russia has. Note how, for example, China has deployed AESA radars on the KJ-2000, KJ-200, KJ-500, ZDK03, J-15, J-16, J-11B, J-10B, and Z-8AEW, ever since 2003, while Russia has not even had a single AESA radar in successful service. The same goes for weapons. The Chinese have already tested their fifth generation engine in 2009 and rumors claim that another one will be done in 2014.

J-20 is not a bomber.

What China needs is something similar to operation desert storm to show the world where its technology stands. Due to its secret nature of its defence developments, whatever information we get is filtered by Chinese officials. Making many models are different thing as Iran always does it but we know how effective they are. China has no access to any state of the art technology and until now we haven't seen any proof which proves otherwise.

When china attacks japan or other country in scs and show what it has in its kitty, only then we will know where all the tall claims lie. Still I think it is heading in the right direction and this is how each developing country should proceed for their defence needs.

 

[Superboy]

What China needs is something similar to operation desert storm to show the world where its technology stands. Due to its secret nature of its defence developments, whatever information we get is filtered by Chinese officials. Making many models are different thing as Iran always does it but we know how effective they are. China has no access to any state of the art technology and until now we haven't seen any proof which proves otherwise.

When china attacks japan or other country in scs and show what it has in its kitty, only then we will know where all the tall claims lie. Still I think it is heading in the right direction and this is how each developing country should proceed for their defence needs.

Operational Desert Storm proved nothing. The Iraqi military is under 1% as powerful as the Russian military. Plus, America and Britain lost quite a number of aircraft during that operation.

Coalition Fixed-Wing Attrition in Desert Storm

War between China and Japan is impossible. Such a war would plunge the world into an economic depression lasting 100 years. Since the 1980s, globalization has linked the economies of China, Japan, America etc. into a single unit.

It is incorrect to say China does not have access to state of the art technology. Thousands of Chinese students study in the US and return to China to work in the Chinese defense industry. Plus, it is Israel's policy to establish balance of power, and it transfers huge amounts of American technology to China. J-20 has all of F-35's technologies. In case of anti Jewish riots in America, China would be the first to be called into action against the American opposition.

 

[That Guy]

J-20 operational by 2017, 3 years from now, not 8 to 10 years.

2017 seems skeptical, I'd say about 2018. The engines are still a major problem which I don't expect China to solve before at least 2016.

What China needs is something similar to operation desert storm to show the world where its technology stands. Due to its secret nature of its defence developments, whatever information we get is filtered by Chinese officials. Making many models are different thing as Iran always does it but we know how effective they are. China has no access to any state of the art technology and until now we haven't seen any proof which proves otherwise.

When china attacks japan or other country in scs and show what it has in its kitty, only then we will know where all the tall claims lie. Still I think it is heading in the right direction and this is how each developing country should proceed for their defence needs.

starting a war just to show off is a stupid idea.

 

[Akasa]

What China needs is something similar to operation desert storm to show the world where its technology stands

Why? Combat experience or the lack thereof has no effect on the performance of weapons.

. Due to its secret nature of its defence developments, whatever information we get is filtered by Chinese officials.

False. So far whatever has been released are through observations made by witnesses or leaks made by insiders. If anything, whatever data the public has would be conservative compared to its actual ones.

Making many models are different thing as Iran always does it but we know how effective they are.

False. Having multiple models show that you have a very advanced and stable supply chain that, through competition, is able to provided the highest quality possible. You can't do that with countries whose weapons components are made by either a monopoly or a limited number of corporations. Having multiple models also increase your experience in development of such systems and also allows the freedom to choose. Very few nations have this luxury and China is one of them.

China has no access to any state of the art technology and until now we haven't seen any proof which proves otherwise.

Why would they need access to it when it can produce it itself? All the years of development and research have helped it achieve just that.

When china attacks japan or other country in scs and show what it has in its kitty, only then we will know where all the tall claims lie. Still I think it is heading in the right direction and this is how each developing country should proceed for their defence needs.

Again, combat records have no effect on a country's capabilities and rarely are indicative of them. The Russians have never had a major conflict and yet that fact is barely an indicator of the country's ability to carry out such tasks.

 

[trident2010]

How to post a reply point by point like done in above mail? Do I need to put quote after each reply?

 

[Akasa]

How to post a reply point by point like done in above mail? Do I need to put quote after each reply?

Put the quotations identifier before the section of the original text and put the end-quote after.

 

[trident2010]

Put the quotations identifier before the section of the original text and put the end-quote after.

Could you please give me an example. I seem to be missing something. Thanks

 

[Akasa]

Could you please give me an example. I seem to be missing something. Thanks

If you want to quote this sentence in two parts, then you would put...

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[nomi007]

J-20 with complete weapon package

looks really impressive