Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[abdulbarijan]

Does any one know about the RCS of FC-20/J-10B
It should have reduced due to the addition of DSI intake and RAM but does any one know the precise RCS value of J-10B???

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Thanks in advance

 

[SBD-3]

Does any one know about the RCS of FC-20/J-10B
It should have reduced due to the addition of DSI intake and RAM but does any one know the precise RCS value of J-10B???

...............................................

Thanks in advance

some poster (I think Sinosoldier) claimed equal RCS to that of JSF but this does not appeal. I personally think it should be lesser than F-16's (1M2) but much greater than JSF (~0.01M2) some where near 0.1M2

 

[SBD-3]

J10a solo display in zhuhai airshow 2008

YouTube - J-10 China AirForce ??????????J-10 F-10

vs

jf17 solo display in zhuhai airshow 2010

YouTube - JF-17 Pakistan Air Force Air Show china 2010

So finally we will see J10 b perfoming at zhuhai Air show 2012!would love to see it

I think performance in 2012 is a bit over optimistic, considering how many J-10B will be inducted in service in 2011. The first priority will be PLAAF platoons (which i think will be requiring about 50+ J-10Bs at least)rather than acrobatic team.

 

[houshanghai]

I think performance in 2012 is a bit over optimistic, considering how many J-10B will be inducted in service in 2011. The first priority will be PLAAF platoons (which i think will be requiring about 50+ J-10Bs at least)rather than acrobatic team.

j10a wasn't acrobatic team's perfoming in zuhai 2008 。So most Probably we will see J10b's solo display in 2012.

j10b will be serviced in PLAAF soon.

http://fanyi.cn.yahoo.com/translate....cn/bbs/htm_data/27/1101/303685.html&lp=zh_en

 

[Mani2020]

This is what i got courtesy to EagleHannan

"A few weeks ago, I showed the leaked pics to some PAF personal and they agreed that top brass of PAF has always known of this project and the pictures are indeed the J-20. However, like all Pakistani acquisations, we are NOT interested in J-20 as it is. China is where the Stealth 5th generation MRCA will be bought from but that wont exactly be J-20.
The way PAF deals with and has always delath with Chinese manufacturers (JF-17s are exception) is that we let them present what they have. Then analyse and give them our own requirements and integrate our man power and share information we get from our own sources into the project.

Eaxmples: F-7MG --> F-7PG (Chinese couldnt come up with avionics so we bought it from theird party back when sun used to shine well in west for PAF)
J-10 --> J-10B

LIke I said before, we have no input so far in this J-20. A few have laid eyes on it. My source told me, it will be another J-20 --> J-20-B story when Chinese will put it on Table. Chances are the thing will NOT be on table anytime before 2015. For many reasons, including sales of J-10. Any plane operating with PAF is a free marketing for Chinese companies (I was so proud of it when an AVIC personal said it to me in the presence of PAF personal that the world trusts PAFs standards).
Chinese want to see J-10B in considerable number before even offering J-20. The money + interest of Chinese companies is in NOT offering Pakistan J-20 unless J-10B is flying with PAF in number.
PAF exercised their judgment back in 2007, PAF could either choose to go with large number of F-16s or bring in J-10B. My info on this is, Chinese clearly denied to do anything with J-10 unless the orders of F-16s are cut down. PAF did burn their boats after agreeing to it (I am glad they did. Thanks Allah for that) and sent thier team for a long tern partnership with China (Currently located in Chingdu). It was only after then that the Chinese let in PAF/PAC engineers tweak with J-10s and we saw the J-10B.
Time line for J-20 in small batch can easily be after 2016 and only then PAF might be invited to jump in.

 

[SBD-3]

This is what i got courtesy to EagleHannan

"A few weeks ago, I showed the leaked pics to some PAF personal and they agreed that top brass of PAF has always known of this project and the pictures are indeed the J-20. However, like all Pakistani acquisations, we are NOT interested in J-20 as it is. China is where the Stealth 5th generation MRCA will be bought from but that wont exactly be J-20.
The way PAF deals with and has always delath with Chinese manufacturers (JF-17s are exception) is that we let them present what they have. Then analyse and give them our own requirements and integrate our man power and share information we get from our own sources into the project.

Eaxmples: F-7MG --> F-7PG (Chinese couldnt come up with avionics so we bought it from theird party back when sun used to shine well in west for PAF)
J-10 --> J-10B

LIke I said before, we have no input so far in this J-20. A few have laid eyes on it. My source told me, it will be another J-20 --> J-20-B story when Chinese will put it on Table. Chances are the thing will NOT be on table anytime before 2015. For many reasons, including sales of J-10. Any plane operating with PAF is a free marketing for Chinese companies (I was so proud of it when an AVIC personal said it to me in the presence of PAF personal that the world trusts PAFs standards).
Chinese want to see J-10B in considerable number before even offering J-20. The money + interest of Chinese companies is in NOT offering Pakistan J-20 unless J-10B is flying with PAF in number.
PAF exercised their judgment back in 2007, PAF could either choose to go with large number of F-16s or bring in J-10B. My info on this is, Chinese clearly denied to do anything with J-10 unless the orders of F-16s are cut down. PAF did burn their boats after agreeing to it (I am glad they did. Thanks Allah for that) and sent thier team for a long tern partnership with China (Currently located in Chingdu). It was only after then that the Chinese let in PAF/PAC engineers tweak with J-10s and we saw the J-10B.
Time line for J-20 in small batch can easily be after 2016 and only then PAF might be invited to jump in.

very realistic, but just one point, it would be very hard to modify a stealth plane to "B" formation as even turning it to omnirole (which has been the traditional doctrine of PAF) will require significant modifications. looking at J-10B which remains an Air Superiority Fighter with though enhanced but still limited A2G capabilities and given the small order of PAF. I doubt J-20B honestly, but something like J-11D or J-16 which is expected to be an omnirole stealth fighter coming PAF way as creation of J-20B will not only require additional pains for engneers but may also entail a considerable cost

 

[rockstarIN]

some poster (I think Sinosoldier) claimed equal RCS to that of JSF but this does not appeal. I personally think it should be lesser than F-16's (1M2) but much greater than JSF (~0.01M2) some where near 0.1M2

Fully armed one might touch 1-2 m2 considering there is no internal weapon bays..

 

[Mani2020]

very realistic, but just one point, it would be very hard to modify a stealth plane to "B" formation as even turning it to omnirole (which has been the traditional doctrine of PAF) will require significant modifications. looking at J-10B which remains an Air Superiority Fighter with though enhanced but still limited A2G capabilities and given the small order of PAF. I doubt J-20B honestly, but something like J-11D or J-16 which is expected to be an omnirole stealth fighter coming PAF way as creation of J-20B will not only require additional pains for engneers but may also entail a considerable cost

My guess is it would be a single engine stealth fighter incorporating many technologies from J-20

 

[SBD-3]

Fully armed one might touch 1-2 m2 considering there is no internal weapon bays..

...stealth with 1-2m2 RCS????, even F-16's RCS is ~1m2 (JFT has lower than this)

 

[rockstarIN]

...stealth with 1-2m2 RCS????, even F-16's RCS is ~1m2 (JFT has lower than this)

Arn't we talking stealth? we are talking about J-10B.

F-16 clean RCS might be 1m2(without weapons, fuel tanks), but not fully armed one..

 

[SBD-3]

Arn't we talking stealth? we are talking about J-10B.

F-16 clean RCS might be 1m2(without weapons, fuel tanks), but not fully armed one..

agreed.....
Baseline RCS will be much lesser than F-16 cuz
1-Bump Inlet
2-RAM
3-Some redesign
well yes if on long range strike it should carry full load but the real RCS magnifiers are 1)Paylons/Racks 2)FuelTanks i.e. three fuel tanks plus full A2A missile load. But probably they will keep it a clean configuration as PAF will not operate deep into India as land based and sea based missile launchpads will be most preferred platforms so if J-10Bs are refueled before leaving Pakistani Airspace, 550 KM, I think most probable load will be A2A as FC-20 will be more likely escorts. So yes ~1M2 but that would also be an appriciative RCS as it will reduce the detection range

 

[wangrong]

 

[S-A-B-E-R->]

move the truck move the truck

 

[Luftwaffe]

What did Chinese do to J-10B, something been done to the nose cone again or its the picture.

 

[kakalalaso]

2 canopies have different color.