So, in 1982, did Israel already know Lavi must fail before Lavi made its maiden flight?
tell me what is doing J-10 main designing team besides a Lavi when it is know the US forbade re-export american tech to China after Tiananmen square, you lack common sense, for Chengdu design tean be around a Lavi was not allowed by USA companies like Grumman which was one of the main suppliers of Lavi
when you understand why J-10 has such ventral fins larger than IAI Lavi you will see there are aerodynamic connections, but i never said is a clone, I clearly said it is Chinese technology, since an aircraft has many equipment that requires many suppliers, but it has direct IAI input something even american and Russian sources said in the form of the karman wing trailing edge extensions that reduce drag and the ventral fins, it is not a clone but the input went into aerodynamics too since you can see the early configuration lack ventral fins and the karman wing trailing edge extensions, and in order to achieve the right size, position and shape or even the idea Chengdu needed hundred hours of research, something that will explain why Chengdu main designer was beside a IAI Lavi on a picture when obviously was not going for drinking tea since the IAI Lavi had several suppliers among one Grumman
IAI Lavi had tech from Grumman and China is famous for copying from cars to Lavi, to American flags to Su-27s or you named piracy is a chinese cultural trait, they just renamed it. Speys engines later become domestic, same Russian engines same J-15 called chinese product what a joke for a reason Trump put tariffs
It will make us very honored in China.
a Pilot knows how fly aircraft, not make them, Cong knew how to build aircraft, in Israel spoke how to build them but still propaganda machines like you can not understand that difference, any way the Americans reported the Technology was passed and so the Russians, continue with your propaganda, J-10 has technology from Lavi from aerodynamics, flight control systems to avionics weapons and radar, because Israel was 2nd supplier to China of weapons and tech transfers in the 1990s and 2000s it is so lavi it carries copied clones of AAM Python AAMs and ventral fins like LaviIt will make us very honored in China.
Many people like you can't accept the development of China, and maybe the theory of copying or stealing can make you more comfortable.
I love your attempts at flame baiting by inserting culture/race (both completely irrelevant) into a technical argument. If I am remember my history courses back in college, it was in fact the Westerners who stole Chinese technologies from silk production to paper making. If the Chinese have a "culture" of copying, then doesn't everyone in the Western world have that trait as well? Why should we treat different periods of time any differently?
He is just insecure that his precious Russia is on a massive demographic, cultural, economic, and most importantly military decline. Just look at their Putin hyped "revolutionary" nuclear missile that blew up and killed 7 soldiers. Hence he wants to project his anger on China, who he believes helped cause Russia's decline.
I am rather cold and honest, I am not a propaganda machine like you that needs to twist and l lie a record with embellished accounts for Chinese guys who live in the west like you do, there is nothing bad about the J-10 having some Israeli tech and Russian assistance, fools like you feel ashamed if China was helped, there is nothing wrong with J-10 having some assistance because we all are humans and all we learn from others, the Chinese needed to learn like any one does, but J-10 is a Chinese product since many components are all mastered by China, but new technologies require being acquired, a true historian will always tell the true, not embellish stupid forum accounts for China trolls, is China capable of designing the J-10 yes they are, but they needed help that is true, it is a normal process, the effect is J-10 achieved faster operational capability than equivalent aircraft like the Indian LCA to put an example, was an excellent strategy and allowed China a better project but people hiding the account on patriotic speeches forget we all learn from others.Many people like you can't accept the development of China, and maybe the theory of copying or stealing can make you more comfortable.
But it can't stop the development of China, and you will need more excuses to mesmerize yourself.
Enjoy your time.
a fool feel ashamed to learn from others a fools says i know everything i need no help, but Cong was not a fool, he asked others to Make J-10 a better aircraft, in fact if you look at the crystal or plastic model LKJ86 posted the wing lacks the ventral fins and the wing is in a position higher, on the J-10 like Lavi the wing leading edge starts on the splitter plate of the intake and the rear trailing edge is at the bottom of the engine fairing exactly like Lavi achieving a lower wing not a mid wing position, a detail you can not see because a fool always says I know all never can admit correction, but the true is the true, but J-10 is a Chinese aircraft, highly influenced by Lavi data, but major subsystems are Chinese and the J-10 is not a clone, but rather highly influenced by Lavi
I'm sorry but how in the world is @LKJ86 a "propaganda machine?" He consistently posts very high quality images of Chinese weaponry or Big Shrimp rumor talk before anyone else on this forum. If anybody is a "propaganda machine," then you are it. You continually rant about pointless stuff to discredit the Chinese aviation sector despite being offered a plethora of evidence to the contrary by various members, LKJ included, of this forum. You are entitled to your own opinion ... at this point everyone knows your position. You can now stop with your trolling and China bashing.
Bro, Chinese factories producing American flags for American clients does not mean China is "copying" the American flag. But it is pointless for me to respond to your Red Herrings anyway.
