Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Deino]

Thought it's getting WS10 TVC?

Nope ... that was never on the agenda, at least not yet.

J-10C with WS-10B engine
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Via @酒色财气吕洞宾 from Weibo

Would be interesting to know how recent this image is?!

 

[kungfugymnast]

Nope ... that was never on the agenda, at least not yet.

Would be interesting to know how recent this image is?!

Hopefully they'll make the TVC optional for J-10C, it's a trend to have TVC nowadays. Threat level rated higher with TVC.

 

[Deino]

Hopefully they'll make the TVC optional for J-10C, it's a trend to have TVC nowadays. Threat level rated higher with TVC.

Where is it a trend? Besides the Su-35 NO other 4th generation type uses a TVC-engine ...

 

[Beast]

Where is it a trend? Besides the Su-35 NO other 4th generation type uses a TVC-engine ...

Can Su30MKI rated as one?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Hopefully they'll make the TVC optional for J-10C, it's a trend to have TVC nowadays. Threat level rated higher with TVC.

It's really not useful in a modern BVR fight, even in a dogfight the AoA advantage has major trade-offs (bleeding all your energy), and it's not really required now with the combination of HOBS + HMD. So when it's used it trades energy for AoA, but it adds weight and complexity to an engine, probably increases maintenance, and requires some work on FCS of the aircraft you're adding it to.

 

[Deino]

Can Su30MKI rated as one?

Upps ... you are correct! Indian types are so easy to omit.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Where is it a trend? Besides the Su-35 NO other 4th generation type uses a TVC-engine ...

Su-30MK and Su-30M2 series come with TVC and forward carnard optional.

It's really not useful in a modern BVR fight, even in a dogfight the AoA advantage has major trade-offs (bleeding all your energy), and it's not really required now with the combination of HOBS + HMD. So when it's used it trades energy for AoA, but it adds weight and complexity to an engine, probably increases maintenance, and requires some work on FCS of the aircraft you're adding it to.

TVC is for dogfight use, you could easily turn in small radius with less effect to G than you pulling hard on flight stick enduring G-effects. It's not that you're using TVC all the time. Having it is added advantage, you quickly turn towards enemy to launch IR guided missiles, closer to boresight, your enemy has less chance to evade. Also easier to gun him down, scratch 1 down in flames

 

[Deino]

Su-30MK and Su-30M2 series come with TVC and forward carnard optional.



TVC is for dogfight use, you could easily turn in small radius with less effect to G than you pulling hard on flight stick enduring G-effects. It's not that you're using TVC all the time. Having it is added advantage, you quickly turn towards enemy to launch IR guided missiles, closer to boresight, your enemy has less chance to evade. Also easier to gun him down, scratch 1 down in flames

And that's exactly wrong ... or what armchair analysts think how aerial combat works. You simple loose too much energy and the result is, You are a sitting duck in the air. That's why it is NOT a trend especially not to refit older types with it.

Why the Russians with their Su-30/35-family went that way is another story, but no Western AF uses this.

 

[Deino]

Which country are you from? Does your military operate fighters with TVC in the first place? Do you know few countries that have fighters with TVC engaged in friendly dogfights up against fighters without TVC from same country, regional and foreign as part of friendly training exercise?

Is that relevant especially since he shows much more understanding than you regardless that your country operates a TVC fighter!

And again ... STOP WITH THESE CONSTANT OFF TOPIC POSTS!

nA YOU THINKS IT IS THAT EASY TO YOU THINKS???

And for you, there is no need to write everything in CAPITALS

 

[kungfugymnast]

And that's exactly wrong ... or what armchair analysts think how aerial combat works. You simple loose too much energy and the result is, You are a sitting duck in the air. That's why it is NOT a trend especially not to refit older types with it.

Why the Russians with their Su-30/35-family went that way is another story, but no Western AF uses this.

Is that relevant especially since he shows much more understanding than you regardless that your country operates a TVC fighter!

Many think TVC is pointless because there is no video that actually shows how pilot uses TVC to dogfight for real. First TVC footage from US shows how TVC fighter turns with small radius inside F-16. Then there's X31 tech demonstrator followed by Su-35/37 years later. In air show, they only perform fancy maneuver to show what TVC could do.

In reality dogfight, TVC fighter comes with hold release button where you use it when needed. Right time to use when both fighters trying to get to each other tail when banking. You don't use TVC until the fighter loses thrust just like you don't keep banking until the air can't support lift leading to stall.

F-22 is using TVC. F-15, F-16, F/A-18 were made earlier and costly to fit them with TVC. F-35 is not planned to go dogfight so US didn't bother to install TVC in F-35A/C. With dying rivalry from Russia and its allies, US fighters will always outnumber their enemies launching 2 or more missiles at every target. Russia and China fighters are expected to engage in outnumbered fight so TVC is important if they survived the BVR engagement. 4 carriers battle group easily have 240 fighters where most of them F/A-18E/F while the rest are F-35C. There are already 6-8 AMRAAM and 4 AMRAAM per aircraft respectively with more than enough to destroy opposing fighters

 

[LKJ86]

J-10C

Via @空军在线 from Weibo

 

[LKJ86]

There would be a new variant of J-10?
Interesting...

Via CCTV 7 and @沉默的山羊 from Weibo

 

[Pampa]

IMHO, a two seater based in J-10C, with WS-10B engine, MRCA and training capable.
Regards

There would be a new variant of J-10?
Interesting...
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Via CCTV 7 and @沉默的山羊 from Weibo

 

[LKJ86]

IMHO, a two seater based in J-10C, with WS-10B engine, MRCA and training capable.
Regards

PLAAF has J-16 already...

 

[Scorpiooo]

Read on some Chinese page. News are circulating about new version of J10 after J10C.
Can be it J10D once rumored as semi sealth with sealth coating and EW improvement to have less RCS