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Re comment : Hasnain
Do you think that IAF launch of RISAT spy satalite last week,,, or induction of the Embrar indengious awacs,, and development of the indo israeli MEDUIM range spyder SAM can be attributed to check mating your above scenario....
Paralysing a AIR POWER that boasts Phalcon Awacs, su30mki , mica equipped mirage2000 and soon rafale F3 with meteore BVRs will BE a TALL order even for PLAAF let alone PAF
Stand off capability is standard military equipment in most half decent air powers globally.
eg
IAF today boasts brahmos & pop eye trubo criuse missles AND will add brahmos hypersonic and nirbhay cruise missles in next 12 months.
From 2014 WHEN RAFALES come they will come with dassults 300km rafale launched scalp cruise missles...
5 different cruise missles all stand off air launched missles
So this whole India - Pak deal is becoming very frustrating as people side track the thread and get into these silly conversations.
Allow me to put a stop here if common sense can survive. Personally, I am a man against wars between the two countries as majority of their population is poor and people get killed in wars and that's not humane.
Second, it doesn't matter anymore if one side has Superman and the other just 'man'. The bottom line is the scenario that's unthinkable so there shouldn't ever be a war between the two. Unless both countries act stupid and get into the last resort. That's the end of it. Read American think tank assessments. If war breaks out between the two, it'll be MAD!!! So no Su 30, J10B or supermen will help save millions of people, infrastructure, etc.
Now the spy satellite from India can be (and is already) being countered by a freaking constellation of Chinese spy satellites. Just like the US provides open access to the Israeli's, China does the same with Pak. It won't ever come to open public though.
Now, AWACS, SU 30, Mica, etc, etc.....what are we getting into? SU 30 is a GREAT plane but if it locks someone from 120 miles away and the JFT or J 10B locks'em from the same distance and can fire BVR missiles... it'll be up to the missile tech but both stand equal chances. Infact, the small guy may have a better chance actually. But, You'll rarely see WVR type of encounters as things will be getting hit from 25 to 75 miles away.
So all AWACS, the 'Super Ultimate 30', Rafale's etc etc will pose numbers but it'll be very difficult to achieve air superiority with triggering a MAD type of a response . At the end of the day, limited scale conflicts is all that may happen. For about 90% of the BVR conflicts..it'll be the radar & missile tech. Similarly, standoff weapons will play a huge role.
Remember, Indian aircraft will need to either come close to the Pakistani airspace or come inside of it so they'll travel ways and will have to run back and run ways if there's a capable BVR missile chasing after it from far away vs. PAF who's aircraft is within a short distance so home turf .... so some benefit there for the PAF.
Now onto stand off cruise missiles, do you really think PA has parked its assets right next to Lahore airport, or Islamabad's parliament building or JFT manufacturing facilities so they can all be taken out in one strike??
It doesn't matter it there are ten Brahmoses or their mothers and dogs accompanying them. There will be significant response.....so the end result is the one NO ONE should have in mind. That will kill a lot of people and that's something we should ALL avoid from discussing out of national / cultural / racial pride.
Let's have a productive discussion with focus on the actual thread. Not who has what, how many and therefor has a bigger di$k. Those days are over in India and Pakistan's case. The future revolves around both these countries working together for the ultimate benefit for their people.
From a military standpoint, it will be the capable technology not 7 vs. 9 hard points, not supersonic Mig 21 with reduced frame and added tail fin called the 'Brahmos' or Su 30 being able to carry 20 bvr missiles (sarcastic here). 200 SU 30 vs. 100 JFT (small wit Stealthy features, similar quality tech and capable missiles)......who's going to win (again, just a common sense question)? The guy who I could see from 120 miles away or the guys 75 miles away that I can't see or can HARDLY see???
You can't shoot a ghost or someone that isn't very visible or is coming in and out of your radar due to small size or reduced rcs....