Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Safriz]

Grippen is much smaller than j-10..
you cant compare

 

[Nishan_101]

I think PAC should step up and try to ink a deal with CAC to co-produce about 70 J-10Bs for the PAF, as we are expecting that the block-II production will be about 150 JF-17 Block-IIs along with the dual seat.

 

[Farooqi1]

Pakistan to buy more Chinese fighters?

Pakistan may buy up to 36 Chinese J-10 fighter aircraft.
Gary Parsons - 11-Nov-2009

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November 10: The UK’s Financial Times reports that Pakistan may buy up to 36 Chinese J-10 fighter aircraft in a deal worth $1.4bn.

It is believed that the J-10 version being considered by the Pakistan Air Force is the FC-20, an export version that would comply with Pakistani avionics requirements. It would be operational by 2015. The J-10 is regarded by the industry as a ‘fourth-generation’ fighter, similar in capability to the latest versions of the F-16 and Saab’s Gripen.

Pakistan has bought Chinese-built fighters in the past – it operates 100 Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (CAIC) F-7P ‘Airguards’, a licence-built version of the elderly MiG-21 Fishbed produced as recently as 2006, in three front-line squadrons as well as 26 Shenyang Aircraft Corporation FT-5/6s, based upon the even older MiG-17.

The Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) has recently teamed up with CAIC to produce the JF-17 ‘Thunder’ light fighter, the first examples being delivered to Pakistan in mid-March 2008. The first squadron, No. 26, is expected to stand-up in early 2010 and Pakistan may eventually buy up to 250.


This the latest I could find on web via airforcesmonthly.com. I don't think there is any other development. If anyone knows then please do share.

 

[air marshal]

 

[razgriz19]

J-10 deal is not even signed yet.
It is the last thing on PAF agenda or atleast after finishing Jf-17s for PAF.

 

[The SC]

PAF can get some F-15s, lets say 2 squadrons, for air superiority, SA can spare a few, The US can too as a good will gesture and compensation for WOT, and Pakistan can buy a few on its own.

 

[ziaulislam]

^^funny joke

it seems after 2015 pakistan will try to get j-10s

it purely depends upon the political will. we had the will to pay billions in 90s for f-16s in comparison today 1.4 billion is not much.
but again it seems it will be after jf-17 programme.

 

[Safriz]

^^^^J-10b aesa

 

[Safriz]

J-10b isnt ready yet.....
still ptototype..
pakistan will get it when its ready.

 

[Farooqi1]

J-10b isnt ready yet.....
still ptototype..
pakistan will get it when its ready.

Inshaallah sir

 

[SBD-3]

If this debate is factoring in economic considerations than there is no debate at all. Pakistan, in its current situation, cannot afford the su-35 or the eurofighter or the j-10 or even the jf-17. People greatly underestimate the gravity of our economic decay. Pakistan, today, is in no position to make billion dollar expenditures on the needs of the military.

If the debate is from a purely academic or historical (when the funds and political climate was preferable) point of view, then one can easily argue Pakistan should have invested in an air superiority fighter of some kind or gone all in for the j-10. The jf-17 should have been shelved in favor of the j-10, if the goal was to remain the pursuit of self-sufficiency over present day performance. A foreign aircraft would have been preferable, because I still do not believe the domestic need of Pakistan is ever going to be large enough to allow for a local aviation industry to flourish. The Israelis did it with the Lavi, the Canadians with the Avro Arrow, and the French did so with the Mirage-4000. They shelved national pride in favor of tangibly superior capability.

What many Pakistanis have failed to acknowledge is the changing environment around us. The Indian military machine is reaching heights that will allow it to wage war against far superior nations than us, from a position of strength. In answer to this growing threat, we come across as decidedly toothless. The j-10 hasn't arrive, the f-16 will be the first casualty of wartime attrition (either through being shot down or in a deliberate attempt of self preservation by the PAF).

J-10s, were they serving in the PAF at this point, would have provided a far greater capability than jf-17s. The greater payload and range would have had an exponential impact in capability, when dealing with the strategic depth mother nature provides India and its far off airfields. The jf-17, with its limited radius was always destined to be a fighter catering to localized needs.

Once again, in the realm of reality, there is nothing we can do at this point except rue the complete lack of foresight on the part of the PAF a decade ago. At this point, we don't have the funds to sway any aviation power to offer us aircraft. We are stuck with a short legged fighter incapable of gaining an upper hand over the adversary, another aircraft with limited numbers, and a third that exists only in the fantasies of all those who see a triumphant Pakistan in any future conflict. I have said it many times before, we cannot control against whom we will deploy the jf-17. One of the disadvantages of a defensive war is that the adversary decides when and where to fight. We will be left with no choice but to have the jf-17 flying against the Rafale and mki. Anyone who believes that is a favorable situation, or even one that can be salvageable over a medium term is lying to himself.

1-Kamra is not expanding for nothing, Israelis still developed their industry when they could have the same or better equipment from US without any reservations. Pakistan has seen much worse times than today, our economy was hit by worst floods, marred by severe electricity shortage and still we were able to grow in real terms, Look at Japan and Europe how they have suffered from the shocks. I don't think we are that bad as we perceive ourselves to be.
2-Indian Military machine is expanding rapidly then thats not necessarily bad.For each fighter deployed in Pakistan and China, India has to induct 4 fighters to maintain its deterrence. More burden, more bleeding. PAF's decision to maintain its numbers while pushing the tech frontier of its inventory is fairly understand since it is now more interested in technological superiority than numbers. With rapid spillovers of technology from China and abroad We may expect a compact yet technologically advanced fleet.
3-Again people here confuse platforms with capabilities.Let me ask you What weapon JFT doesn't have in its arsenal? I always believed that PAF's best bet is to paralyze the IAF forward infrastructure and Deny it Air superiority.All these development in stand off capability should be enough hint about what PAF has aimed at.

 

[Storm Force]

Re comment : Hasnain

I always believed that PAF's best bet is to paralyze the IAF forward infrastructure and Deny it Air superiority.All these development in stand off capability should be enough hint about what PAF has aimed at.

Do you think that IAF launch of RISAT spy satalite last week,,, or induction of the Embrar indengious awacs,, and development of the indo israeli MEDUIM range spyder SAM can be attributed to check mating your above scenario....

Paralysing a AIR POWER that boasts Phalcon Awacs, su30mki , mica equipped mirage2000 and soon rafale F3 with meteore BVRs will BE a TALL order even for PLAAF let alone PAF

Stand off capability is standard military equipment in most half decent air powers globally.

eg

IAF today boasts brahmos & pop eye trubo criuse missles AND will add brahmos hypersonic and nirbhay cruise missles in next 12 months.

From 2014 WHEN RAFALES come they will come with dassults 300km rafale launched scalp cruise missles...

5 different cruise missles all stand off air launched missles

 

[Safriz]

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Many prject are in pipeline with China...getting matured in terms f technology.We will get the best available in J1o series.Dont wrry guysThis bird will match Rafale.

 

[VelocuR]

^^^^J-10b aesa

Nope, some mentioned, it is PESA. Another picture you posted yellow J-10B is PESA radar.

Confusing.