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Chellakere — India’s secret nuclear city :S M Hali retired Group Captain of PAF

It needs more then uranium to make nukes ..... again said we dont have uraniumbased nukes in India whole program is plutonium based

I don’t think you get the point should uranium be in the hands of smugglers NO full stop irrespective of the quantity it is your role towards the international community to not alow this not say oh the size is not that much and by the way we use plutonium that’s being evasive and stupid.
 
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What you can do with the uranium when in form available to the smugglers is of no use or no intentional use ..... even if you procure uranium you still need the support of AQ khan like people to convert it into a weapon ..... it’s like we have steel bed in homes , we can convert that steel in gun hypothetically yes but to do that we need more then steel ....... hope you get what I am trying to convey ...... getting uranium is like 1% work in the process of developing nukes while having the support of AQ khan like people is 99% job ..............

I don’t think you get the point should uranium be in the hands of smugglers NO full stop irrespective of the quantity it is your role towards the international community to not alow this not say oh the size is not that much and by the way we use plutonium that’s being evasive and stupid.
 
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What you can do with the uranium when in form available to the smugglers is of no use or no intentional use ..... even if you procure uranium you still need the support of AQ khan like people to convert it into a weapon ..... it’s like we have steel bed in homes , we can convert that steel in gun hypothetically yes but to do that we need more then steel ....... hope you get what I am trying to convey ...... getting uranium is like 1% work in the process of developing nukes while having the support of AQ khan like people is 99% job ..............


Very Indian of you to go from a thread about India to attack a great Pakistani national I guess your culture doesn’t allow you have a more progressive discussion.

I can’t help with your in denial in regards to smuggling of uranium but hey ho maybe one day you’ll understand we can only be hopeful
 
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I never challenged his greatness but no one can deny his links with Koreans , Iranians and Libiyans ..... not sure how much his support helped them but no one can deny ,in their pursuit of acquiring nukes he shared know how with them .... not sure about the extent of collaboration.... even your own govt put him under house arrest due to his activities..... I just used him as an example to show just impure uranium is like 1% of whole efforts to make nukes and you need help to do 99% efforts to make nuke out of it....
Very Indian of you to go from a thread about India to attack a great Pakistani national I guess your culture doesn’t allow you have a more progressive discussion.

I can’t help with your in denial in regards to smuggling of uranium but hey ho maybe one day you’ll understand we can only be hopeful

It was not enriched uranium and in India , the uranium which these smugglers have was present in mines ..... but again .... just haveing impure uranium ..... is like 1% efforts of developing nukes .... and that 99% efforts are so huge that even govts with endless resources are struggling to develop nukes.....
where did this come from then? genuine question not trying to bash India.
 
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I never challenged his greatness but no one can deny his links with Koreans , Iranians and Libiyans ..... not sure how much his support helped them but no one can deny ,in their pursuit of acquiring nukes he shared know how with them .... not sure about the extent of collaboration.... even your own govt put him under house arrest due to his activities..... I just used him as an example to show just impure uranium is like 1% of whole efforts to make nukes and you need help to do 99% efforts to make nuke out of it....


It was not enriched uranium and in India , the uranium which these smugglers have was present in mines ..... but again .... just haveing impure uranium ..... is like 1% efforts of developing nukes .... and that 99% efforts are so huge that even govts with endless resources are struggling to develop nukes.....
You are just parroting your words again and again. As a responsible and concerned nuclear power it is the job of our establishments to safeguard any entity of nuclear material. Weather it is enriched or not. Imagine from our own perspective if that uranium fell in the hands of terrorists who managed to make a small nuke with expertise from our enemies. In this regard the government and establishment failed miserably.
 
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As you are Indian , I am saying vote for the congress you will see such leaks every where again but still impure uranium is nothing more then sand ................. its uranium they even sold IB directors for their own benefits and minority appeasements
You are just parroting your words again and again. As a responsible and concerned nuclear power it is the job of our establishments to safeguard any entity of nuclear material. Weather it is enriched or not. Imagine from our own perspective if that uranium fell in the hands of terrorists who managed to make a small nuke with expertise from our enemies. In this regard the government and establishment failed miserably.
 
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As you are Indian , I am saying vote for the congress you will see such leaks every where again but still impure uranium is nothing more then sand ................. its uranium they even sold IB directors for their own benefits and minority appeasements
Screw Congress screws BJP I dont care for either. You are not answering my question and using whataboutery to divert. Answer this, As a responsible nuclear power isnt it a priority to prevent any proliferation, big or small, for our own safety let alone other nations.
 
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you can take sand and name it uranium and then sell it for 4 million can you give me any confirmation that it was uranium other these sensationalized reports ..... If even I believe it was uranium are you sure was stolen from India ????? I can’t blame govt when on basis of such shabby reports???

Screw Congress screws BJP I dont care for either. You are not answering my question and using whataboutery to divert. Answer this, As a responsible nuclear power isnt it a priority to prevent any proliferation, big or small, for our own safety let alone other nations.
 
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Regardless of what they are based on would you not say that uranium in the hands of smugglers is worrying??
If it is U-238 ie depleted uranium, then no, not exactly. You can get this stuff quite easily from a number of places.
Converting U-238 into Pu-239 is a hard task requiring a lot of capital investment in breeder reactors.

Heck Thorium is found in sands in many palces and collecting it is quite easy. If you can convert U-238 to Pu-239, then converting Th-232 to U-233 is actually quite easy.
 
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Why cry?

Why double speak?

You are the believers of Gazwa e hind fantasy and now this article?

Laughable!


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Chellakere — India’s secret nuclear city
The existence of India’s secret nuclear city highlights India’s ambitions to become a world power. Its excuse of matching the nuclear arsenal of China and Pakistan does not cut ice, since numbers matter little in achieving a credible nuclear weapons capability




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S M Hali

JULY 29, 2018

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) India has a stockpile of more than a 100 warheads. Its desire to match the nuclear warhead capabilities of China and Pakistan has prompted Indian planners to invest in a top secret project of establishing a nuclear city at Chellakere, Karnataka.

It had been exposed in 2012 that apart from many facilities, India has built the ‘secret nuclear city’. It was confirmed by independent researchers and Indian media that two secretive agencies were behind this project which is believed to be the subcontinent’s largest military-run complex of nuclear centrifuges, atomic research laboratories, weapons and aircraft testing facilities.

New Delhi has generally kept all information pertaining to its nuclear capabilities under wraps. Whatever information on the Indian nuclear city of Chellakere is available, has been gleaned from international and Indian media reports.

As a military facility, it is not open to international inspection. Since 2009, organs of Indian government managed to discreetly acquire more than 10,000 acres of land in Chellakere. News leaked out, when the residents of the area, poor shepherds were deprived of grazing grounds for their cattle, filed a report in the court for the deprivation of their livelihood. Chellakeretaluk has been home to Amrit Mahal Kavals or grazing grounds, on which more than 250,000 goats, cows, bulls and sheep found food. About 300,000 people depended on these grounds for their source of revenue.

According to Raksha Kumar’s Op-Ed of May 18, 2018 in The News Minute, Srikumar Banerjee, the then chairman of India’s Atomic Energy Commission in 2011, spoke about the project obliquely. He stated that the facility would be used to produce nuclear fuel to boost India’s nuclear energy sources.

When the shepherds were barred from taking their cattle to the grazing grounds, the villagers filed a lawsuit at the Karnataka High Court demanding a complete accounting of the pasture land. To their dismay, they were informed by the state land registry that of the 10,000 acres, Defence Research & Development Organization (DRDO) had been allotted 4,290 acres, Indian Institute of Science (IIS) was given 1500 acres, Bhabha Atomic Research Centre had received 1810 acres while Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) was given 575 acres and some sundry lands were diverted to Karnataka Small Scale Industries Development Corporation.

According to news published in a US journal; the secret city being operated by DRDO is called the Aeronautical Test Range (ATR). It is being said that the nuclear scientists are secretly working here day and night. The American journal published the report about the construction of the secret nuclear city by India on the basis of the image captured by the American Space Agency “NASA”. The spokesperson of the NASA said that the captured satellite image is more similar to a nuclear plant. Quoting retired Indian government officials and independent experts sitting in London and Washington; the US journal claims that the prime motive of India behind this secret city is to give itself an extra stockpile of enriched uranium fuel that could be used in new hydrogen bombs, also known as thermonuclear weapons.

It had been exposed in 2012 that apart from many facilities, India has built the ‘secret nuclear city’. It was confirmed by independent researchers and Indian media that two secretive agencies were behind this project which is believed to be the subcontinent’s largest military-run complex of nuclear centrifuges, atomic research laboratories, weapons and aircraft testing facilities

The expansion of India’s thermonuclear program would position the country alongside the United States, United Kingdom, China, Russia, France, and Israel which already have significant stockpiles of such weapons. Despite the fact that the Indian government has denied the existence of any such secret nuclear facility being under construction, Indian media and retired Indian military analysts and scientists have confirmed its existence. The project aims: to expand the government’s nuclear research, to produce fuel for India’s nuclear reactors, and to help power the country’s fleet of new nuclear submarines.

According to Indian media reports, the nuclear city close to Chellakere is ringed by a security perimeter of thousands of military and paramilitary guards. The existence of India’s secret nuclear city highlights India’s ambitions to become a world power. Its excuse of matching the nuclear arsenal of China and Pakistan does not cut ice, since numbers matter little in achieving a credible nuclear weapons capability. Nuclear warheads and reliable delivery systems with adequate ranges are enough to serve as deterrence; one does not have to match missile for missile, warhead for warhead, and trigger mechanism for trigger mechanism.

India is welcome to its ambitions; every country has its dreams of grandeur but these should not be at the cost of peace in the region and depriving its populace of their livelihood. Its military doctrine is definitely offensive but India should be mindful of accelerating an arms race in the region and further provoking both China and Pakistan, with whom its relations are strained. India had to draw down its forces from Doklam earlier while facing Chinese troops. With Pakistan, India is constantly indulging in cross border shelling causing casualties.

The writer is a retired Group Captain of PAF. He is a columnist, analyst and TV talk show host, who has authored six books on current affairs, including three on China

Published in Daily Times, July 29th 2018.



https://dailytimes.com.pk/274541/chellakere-indias-secret-nuclear-city/
 
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Pakistan and India have agreement in which both share information on nuclear facilities every year.
Also in case of war such facilities won't be targeted.
but if a secret facility exist and India don't share its information then Babur or shaheen have every right to land there.
 
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I have been reading S.M. Hali's columns for years and I do not take him seriously. Of course in his mind that India's nuclear program is provoking China and Pakistan, but does not seem to think the other way around: that China's and Pakistan's nuclear program is provoking India.
 
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How you know it’s a nuclear facility ?
Pakistan and India have agreement in which both share information on nuclear facilities every year.
Also in case of war such facilities won't be targeted.
but if a secret facility exist and India don't share its information then Babur or shaheen have every right to land there.
 
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