Chakwal’s lone Hindu family leads peaceful but secluded life

[Dubious]

Most of those who refused to convert to islam were killed - most of the relatives of the family in the OP were killed or had to run away to India.

I Wonder how this solitary family saved itself from both forceful conversion and murder. The poor girl isnt safe too.

Did you read OP? If not I suggest you do before posting crap!

His father moved to India where they didnt like being a refugee and then came back to Pakistan...leaving behind the stubborn wife and kids and then marrying again and starting over in Pakistan...

 

[Umair Nawaz]

how does it matter?

it matter here in this website.

 

[ghoul]

@haj9211 Thanks for the pics. Heard that Mohiyals never converted to Islam.Are their any mohyal muslims in Pakistan?

Interestingly, except for Kashmiris, no group in Pakistan claims a brahmin origin. We have Kshatriya, Sudra and Vaish converts, but Brahmins converts are mysteriously absent. According to my own personal theory, the brahmin converts started claiming a Syed(descendant of Prophet (SAW)) descent to reclaim their lost glory. Today, in Punjab, Syeds are indeed the most respected cast and associated a lot more with religion.

Now to get back at Mohyals. Interestingly, Jalalpur Sharif in present day Jhelum district(near Nandana temple) was known as Girjaakh in history, and was a Mohyal town. Now the same town is a "Syed" town and full of local religious shrines and stuff. So I feel those Syeds are actually Mohyal converts. I can be wrong though, but a genetic test would tell better.

 

[INDIC]

Interestingly, except for Kashmiris, no group in Pakistan claims a brahmin origin. We have Kshatriya, Sudra and Vaish converts, but Brahmins converts are mysteriously absent. According to my own personal theory, the brahmin converts started claiming a Syed(descendant of Prophet (SAW)) descent to reclaim their lost glory. Today, in Punjab, Syeds are indeed the most respected cast and associated a lot more with religion.

Now to get back at Mohyals. Interestingly, Jalalpur Sharif in present day Jhelum district(near Nandana temple) was known as Girjaakh in history, and was a Mohyal town. Now the same town is a "Syed" town and full of local religious shrines and stuff. So I feel those Syeds are actually Mohyal converts. I can be wrong though, but a genetic test would tell better.

You have turned the word Brahmin into some kind of abuse in Pakistan, so people don't claim Brahmin ancestry while there are many Muslims who still claim Rajput ancestry because of its association with bravery even the Rajputs having a Hindu origin.

 

[JonAsad]

Most of those who refused to convert to islam were killed - most of the relatives of the family in the OP were killed or had to run away to India.

I Wonder how this solitary family saved itself from both forceful conversion and murder. The poor girl isnt safe too.

Testing 1 2 3-
is there a human on the other side or just an empty brain on loop?-

 

[ghoul]

You have turned the word Brahmin into some kind of abuse in Pakistan, so people don't claim Brahmin ancestry while there are many Muslims who still claim Rajput ancestry because of its association with bravery even the Rajputs having a Hindu origin.

Trust me, we are also made fun of or accused of being of "hindu" and hence not as honourable as other Pakistanis, although not a lot of people would say such things to our face though. We don't deny our hindu roots because of our own ancestor's bravery, not because of some Rajasthani rajput.

With that said, even some known Rajput tribes deny their Hindu origin.

 

[sid426]

Interestingly, except for Kashmiris, no group in Pakistan claims a brahmin origin. We have Kshatriya, Sudra and Vaish converts, but Brahmins converts are mysteriously absent. According to my own personal theory, the brahmin converts started claiming a Syed(descendant of Prophet (SAW)) descent to reclaim their lost glory. Today, in Punjab, Syeds are indeed the most respected cast and associated a lot more with religion.

Now to get back at Mohyals. Interestingly, Jalalpur Sharif in present day Jhelum district(near Nandana temple) was known as Girjaakh in history, and was a Mohyal town. Now the same town is a "Syed" town and full of local religious shrines and stuff. So I feel those Syeds are actually Mohyal converts. I can be wrong though, but a genetic test would tell better.

This 'Syed' thing is in air in India tone Syed friend of mine says that his family has Brahmin roots.There is a village near meerut where all muslims use 'Gaur' as a surname.'Gaur' is actually a Brahmin lineage.

Coming back to Mohyals,their 'converted' numbers are miniscule compared to other castes which converted en masse.The Rajputs,for example,converted en masse when the local Raja faced defeat.Therefore,most of the Punjabi Rajput lineages are pre dominantly muslim (Janjuas etc)

 

[sid426]

it matter here in this website.

Is it?

 

[Kabira]

This 'Syed' thing is in air in India tone Syed friend of mine says that his family has Brahmin roots.There is a village near meerut where all muslims use 'Gaur' as a surname.'Gaur' is actually a Brahmin lineage.

Coming back to Mohyals,their 'converted' numbers are miniscule compared to other castes which converted en masse.The Rajputs,for example,converted en masse when the local Raja faced defeat.Therefore,most of the Punjabi Rajput lineages are pre dominantly muslim (Janjuas etc)

There is pretty big Sudhan tribe in Azad Kashmir who are converted Brahmins.

Interestingly, except for Kashmiris, no group in Pakistan claims a brahmin origin. We have Kshatriya, Sudra and Vaish converts, but Brahmins converts are mysteriously absent. According to my own personal theory, the brahmin converts started claiming a Syed(descendant of Prophet (SAW)) descent to reclaim their lost glory. Today, in Punjab, Syeds are indeed the most respected cast and associated a lot more with religion.

Now to get back at Mohyals. Interestingly, Jalalpur Sharif in present day Jhelum district(near Nandana temple) was known as Girjaakh in history, and was a Mohyal town. Now the same town is a "Syed" town and full of local religious shrines and stuff. So I feel those Syeds are actually Mohyal converts. I can be wrong though, but a genetic test would tell better.

This is pretty much accepted fact, many syeds are actually brahmin converts. And your exemple of Syed town again proves this notion. But there most be genuine syeds as well with partial real middle eastern ancestry.

 

[ghoul]

This 'Syed' thing is in air in India tone Syed friend of mine says that his family has Brahmin roots.There is a village near meerut where all muslims use 'Gaur' as a surname.'Gaur' is actually a Brahmin lineage.

Coming back to Mohyals,their 'converted' numbers are miniscule compared to other castes which converted en masse.The Rajputs,for example,converted en masse when the local Raja faced defeat.Therefore,most of the Punjabi Rajput lineages are pre dominantly muslim (Janjuas etc)

In Karachi, an overwhelming majority of urdu speaking migrants claim a Syed or a Pathan origin. In Karachi, almost anyone with the name "Syed xyz" is almost always an urdu speaker. I have never seen an urdu speaking person admit his or her hindu background, except for some rajput converts from Haryana, Rajasthan and Delhi region. The urdu speakers from UP and Bihar never claim a local origin, even though some of them have surnames like "Bari", which I read in colonial sources is a surname used by the aboriginal hill tribes in UP, Orissa and Bihar region.

And the rajputs in Punjab, like the Baloch, had a very strong sardari or chieftainship system. Their chiefs had unchallenged power in their regions. So whenever their chiefs converted, most of their clan had to convert too I think. About the Janjuas, I read in H.A.Rose's book that the portion which did not convert to Islam migrated to Hoshiarpur and Himachal Pradesh, where they are known as "Badla" or "Badlial" rajputs, and use the title of Rana.

And in Punjab, particularly the central and southern Punjab, most rajput clans are either Bhatti or a sub-clan of Bhattis. Here's an interesting thing; the Bhati clan of Jaisalmer in Rajasthan have a Punjabi origin. They migrated from Punjab to Rajasthan centuries ago.

 

[waz]

These Mohyals are quintessential Potohari people like the Gakhars, Awans and Rajas etc. Sanjay Dutt is also a Potohari Mohyal.

Potohar(northern Punjab) and salt range are rich in heritage buildings and contain a number of temples and stupas. Sadly, a lot of these temples in Chakwal region get "rented out" as personal property by corrupt government officials. I have seen temples in Chakwal being converted into vehicle and tire workshops. We Pakistanis really need to tone down our corruption. Sadly, in Pakistan, moral corruption is considered street smartness.

Here's some temples from Potohar/salt range region:

Nandana Temple/fort, the place where Al-Beruni rested;

Malot temple:

Mankiala Stupa:

Beautiful pictures, in particular the first and second.

 

[Kabira]

This one line sums up what appears to be a national attitude.

Can Hindus not be Pakistanis ?

Read my post again, i said they are Sindhus which is proper word for them. Calling Pakistani a hindu is very insulting, please be careful next time.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@haj9211 Thanks for the pics. Heard that Mohiyals never converted to Islam.Are their any mohyal muslims in Pakistan?

I know one he claims thatg mohyals are rajputs..

 

[Kabira]

I know one he claims thatg mohyals are rajputs..

I read somewhere Sudhans who are Moyhals brahmin converts were actually brahmin warriors? Vast majority of them are muslims, few who were hindus moved to India after 47.

In Karachi, an overwhelming majority of urdu speaking migrants claim a Syed or a Pathan origin. In Karachi, almost anyone with the name "Syed xyz" is almost always an urdu speaker. I have never seen an urdu speaking person admit his or her hindu background, except for some rajput converts from Haryana, Rajasthan and Delhi region. The urdu speakers from UP and Bihar never claim a local origin, even though some of them have surnames like "Bari", which I read in colonial sources is a surname used by the aboriginal hill tribes in UP, Orissa and Bihar region.
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There is very clear difference between Ashrah and Ajlafs muslims in India UP/Bihar in terms of looks etc. Ajlafs who claim to be superior and with foreign ancestry. Pakistani muhajirs clearly are of local stock.

 

[Multani]

This one line sums up what appears to be a national attitude.

Can Hindus not be Pakistanis ?

How do 'looks' define a nation ? Do these Siddi Folk dancers of Sasan Gir, gujarat look Pakistani ?

he means they look Pakistani Punjabis, not indians

I know one he claims thatg mohyals are rajputs..

This is an indian rajput [ MP of Muslim populated Moradabad from BJP in Uttar Pradesh ]

kunwar sarvesh kumar singh

he is nothing compared to a Pakistani rajput

indian rajputs are no comparison in terms of looks as compared to Pakistani Rajputs [ Muslims and Hindus ]

@save_ghenda @Psycho Pakistani