Chairman Mao reminisced on 127th birthday

[nahtanbob]

You are about my age.
The difference between us is how you see things.
When I talk about Mao's legacy, economy outcome, performance at most 1/3 of his contribution. Mao is revolutionist, he saved China from the status of India which is still colonized mentally.

China can be US friend under KMT, maybe neutral between USSR and US during Cold War, just like India. But China will not be independent under KMT. The KMT is as rotten as India Congress, as weak as India Congress.

By and large, KMT is a stooge, inner divided, penetrated.

Bad luck for US and USSR, KMT is now dying in Taiwan, while CCP is still in charge.

India has stayed out of outright military alliances with USSR and USA. If China is not a threat India would stay at a distance from Washington even now.

It is hard to control a large entity like China even when the KMT is ruling. The beauty of disorder is that no one can predict things

the whole idea that USA can control or manipulate large countries easily is silly - USA has had little luck with even influencing friendlies like Indonesia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Mexico

 

[vi-va]

India has stayed out of outright military alliances with USSR and USA. If China is not a threat India would stay at a distance from Washington even now.

It is hard to control a large entity like China even when the KMT is ruling. The beauty of disorder is that no one can predict things

the whole idea that USA can control or manipulate large countries easily is silly - USA has had little luck with even influencing friendlies like Indonesia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Mexico

Control? I never said US can control China even under KMT. But US will gain huge political influence and favored economical policy if KMT is in charge. Do you know Jiang Jieshi(Chiang Kai-shek) is a Methodist which is Protestant? That's called penetrated.

The KMT elites interest aligned with US capitalists and imperialists. Nothing special, there are people who eager to grab more power throughout human history. But it's not in the mass of Chinese interest.

The US talk morality a lot, but we know the nature of capitalists and imperialists. I am just saying the facts.

The US will use carrots and sticks to tame KMT. Look at KMT in Taiwan today, a bunch of sheep.

While the revolutionists are fighters, Mao is definitely fighters, fight our independence. Now Xi Jinping is doing something like Mao, a fighter. I knew US media and propaganda machine hate Chairman Mao, and dislike President Xi.

We can coexist, and do business, on equal terms, and fair trade only. No constraints attached.

US is not like British, nor French. Time changed.

• The French colonize and colonize only, built nothing.
• The British colonize and build a lot of staff, railways, law systems, to grab natural resources and control the society. India has 60,000 km of railway when British left, still speaking the colonizer's language proudly, how silly.
• The British is much smarter and much systematic on colonization.
• While US adopted a systematic cultural and political colonization, very smart. See what Russia became today after USSR collapse?

I have no issues with Americans personally. But I am aware of the mental colonization. I call it taming.

Indians by and large are tamed. They speak your language, adopted your political system, imitate your life style, like Mexicans. Tamed.

While the CCP is tougher, much tougher. I would say US will dominate the world for quite a long time without those CCP tough revolutionist.

Rome Empire, Mongol Empire, Spanish Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, come and go.

While, the Chinese are the oldest and longest major player on the world stage.

 

[nahtanbob]

Control? I never said US can control China even under KMT. But US will gain huge political influence and favored economical policy if KMT is in charge. Do you know Jiang Jieshi(Chiang Kai-shek) is a Methodist which is Protestant? That's called penetrated.

The KMT elites interest aligned with US capitalists and imperialists. Nothing special, there are people who eager to grab more power throughout human history. But it's not in the mass of Chinese interest.

The US talk morality a lot, but we know the nature of capitalists and imperialists. I am just saying the facts.

The US will use carrots and sticks to tame KMT. Look at KMT in Taiwan today, a bunch of sheep.

While the revolutionists are fighters, Mao is definitely fighters, fight our independence. Now Xi Jinping is doing something like Mao, a fighter. I knew US media and propaganda machine hate Chairman Mao, and dislike President Xi.

We can coexist, and do business, on equal terms, and fair trade only. No constraints attached.

US is not like British, nor French. Time changed.

• The French colonize and colonize only, built nothing.
• The British colonize and build a lot of staff, railways, law systems, to grab natural resources and control the society. India has 60,000 km of railway when British left, still speaking the colonizer's language proudly, how silly.
• The British is much smarter and much systematic on colonization.
• While US adopted a systematic cultural and political colonization, very smart. See what Russia became today after USSR collapse?

I have no issues with Americans personally. But I am aware of the mental colonization. I call it taming.

Indians by and large are tamed. They speak your language, adopted your political system, imitate your life style, like Mexicans. Tamed.

While the CCP is tougher, much tougher. I would say US will dominate the world for quite a long time without those CCP tough revolutionist.

Rome Empire, Mongol Empire, Spanish Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, come and go.

While, the Chinese are the oldest and longest major player on the world stage.

people have adopted facets of American or Western culture - English, dress, legal code, currency because USA happened to be pre-eminent power for the last 75 years. You make it sound like the CCP never plays ball with America. Yeah the British are smarter than other European powers. USA is not Britain. You make it sound like everyone in America like American pop culture. Russia is weak because they have nothing in terms of value system. They are inferior in technology and economy. They always were even during the Cold War.

 

[vi-va]

people have adopted facets of American or Western culture - English, dress, legal code, currency because USA happened to be pre-eminent power for the last 75 years. You make it sound like the CCP never plays ball with America. Yeah the British are smarter than other European powers. USA is not Britain. You make it sound like everyone in America like American pop culture. Russia is weak because they have nothing in terms of value system. They are inferior in technology and economy. They always were even during the Cold War.

I don't blame you guys, dude. I am just saying Chinese are aware of those tactics.

It's true the Russians had a lower hand, they are never superior on culture in Europe, the west Europeans never admired Russians culturally nor technologically.

It's mainly Russian own pressure overwhelmed themselves. US use Cold War tactics, such as culture, political movement, arm race to deteriorate USSR economy. USSR own political system vulnerability exposed and exploited.

You guys played well, very well. Applaud.

I am just saying we knew it, and we unwilling to be tamed. Other countries tamed or not I really don't care. The US and China are the 2 elephants in the room.

Sure, we are playing balls with Americans even today. Doing trade for more than half trillions annually.

• The British is much smarter and much systematic on colonization.
• While US adopted a systematic cultural and political colonization, very smart. See what Russia became today after USSR collapse?

 

[ChinaToday]

You r against forum rules when posting propaganda abt sick man trying to invade other countries but failed due to low IQ.

Since when PDF allow to celebrate sick men who want to invade other countries?

LMAO you gone absolute bonker the effect of Lao weeds I suppose

 

[zectech]

China's inner area development, rise in literacy, healthcare, innovation could have never hapened under that KMT opportunism. For instance, we would never see a similar infrastructure development of inner areas. We would not see land reforms, tax reforms. China would be a second India.

This is where I would disagree.

China was kept under-developed by the Qing Dynasty. Not under-developed under Taiwanese control. Qing kept China like India. Taiwanese would not.

Qing refused to modernize like Germany modernized. Qing was responsible for China's rural poverty. Taiwan has a top 15 education system in the world. Communist China is number 1 or in the top 5 with Finland.

 

[Itachi]

You are pakistanian living at U.S. Do you feeling guilty because U.S has the history of Mascor

You are a pakistanian who live in U.S but feeling no shame and guilty, You knew U.S had a history of massacred of so many American Indian and rob their land. Also you have not shame living at a country that had history of slaved the blacks? Can you answer me?

"Pakistanian"!??? LMAO

It's "Pakistani"! Learn English before you come to PDF to lecture me on US history

And yes, I can and will answer you. The US is a very interesting country for it makes mistakes, like all countries but it also owns up to those mistakes....unlike many countries, including China.

Just this year, BLM and others took down statues and protested on the matters you talked about in your post...

Mao Zedong killed 20M+ Chinese yet you guys don't even criticize him......on the other hand, you guys brainwash your own people and hide actual Chinese history. Can any Chinese bring down a statue of Mao tomorrow and still be alive??? Nope!

That's the difference between China and the US!

Actually who is the one in CCP who become the main reason for China to let go cultural revolution policy and communist economic system ? I think this guy or faction has more contribution for China current success than Mao Zedong.

Deng Xiaoping was more successful than Mao with a lot less murders. But the Chinese on here criticize him.

 

[beijingwalker]

Over 100,000 people swarmed Mao's small home village on Mao's birthday and sang The Internationale together

 

[flowerfan2020]

"Pakistanian"!??? LMAO

It's "Pakistani"! Learn English before you come to PDF to lecture me on US history

And yes, I can and will answer you. The US is a very interesting country for it makes mistakes, like all countries but it also owns up to those mistakes....unlike many countries, including China.

Just this year, BLM and others took down statues and protested on the matters you talked about in your post...

Mao Zedong killed 20M+ Chinese yet you guys don't even criticize him......on the other hand, you guys brainwash your own people and hide actual Chinese history. Can any Chinese bring down a statue of Mao tomorrow and still be alive??? Nope!

That's the difference between China and the US!


Deng Xiaoping was more successful than Mao with a lot less murders. But the Chinese on here criticize him.

Took you almost of year finally dare to answered my post? China is only one really learned from the mistake but not U.S. U.S fan boy. If we brainwash by our leader to made our country stated united and strong but you brainwashed by the your master who killed and slaved your compatriots.

 

[vi-va]

This is where I would disagree.

China was kept under-developed by the Qing Dynasty. Not under-developed under Taiwanese control. Qing kept China like India. Taiwanese would not.

Qing refused to modernize like Germany modernized. Qing was responsible for China's rural poverty. Taiwan has a top 15 education system in the world. Communist China is number 1 or in the top 5 with Finland.

My friend,
If I was you, read materials in English, I will 100% agree with you.
But the English materials are very biased, they tell good stories with 99% truth and 1% lies. The key 1% are usually unknown to most if not all foreigners.

I was naive before, so are many teenagers Chinese. The young Chinese bashed Chairman Mao much harder than you can ever imagine. We bashed Chairman Mao much harder than our enemies.

But when those young Chinese grow up, including me, we understood China history better. We read Chinese, English materials, we read positive and negative stuff. We read CCP materials, Taiwan materials, US propaganda, everything.

The more/deeper we knew, the more we appreciate what Chairman Mao had done.

It's a very complicated feeling.

I agree with what @TaiShang said. KMT is a $hit, China will be as incompetent as India today.

Would China have better international environment if KMT was in charge? Likely. Taiwan would not have been separated from China mainland. US may even ask China be US ally during Cold War. But so what?

India was never US nor USSR enemy, but the strength comes from inside not outside.

Would China have been so-called Democracy if KMT was in charge? Possible. Taiwan has so-called democracy, which was installed by US. We Chinese see it very clearly. Not suitable for us at all.

CCP are revolutionists. KMT are conservatives/opportunities. That makes a huge difference.