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Central moon-sighting panel held responsible for Eid controversy

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This is what happens when you have jahil log at high positions! Considering KPK is part of Pakistan so is FATA....Their testimony is part of Pakistan's moon sighting!

Does this Muneeb guy not know he is responsible for each Pakistani who keeps a haram roza on Eid!
Rofl certain liberal ideologues can go to any level to justify their few words. The best part is copy/pasting this anti-state nefarious Dawn article.

Dawn does'nt post the complete picture and manipulates information which we are all well aware off.

Don't think any Pakistani would accept an Afghani to be authority or called Zonal committee. This is about one Mosque Qasim Ali Khan in Peshawar that has been doing Eid since late 90s with Afghanistan.
Media and the anti-Pakistan ANP Govt. gave them coverage, patronage and provided them fame. The Poster did'nt mention which parts of KP and FATA take this Popalzai and his mosque as authority. Nobody follows him outside of Mardan and Peshawar. Swat and other parts of KP and rest of Pakistan follow the Central Ruet i Hilal Committee. Committee head or that Muneeb guy is quoted by OP is also from KP.

Funny thing is a liberal and most in Dawn would be opposed to Afghanis and their influence yet to bash a Pakistani cleric they are promoting this one mullah operating in Peshawar. Rofl.
 
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Just sectarian jealousy by Popalzi nothing else why he want to dictate the whole country as a minority and flowing the moon sight in Afghanistan
 
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Just sectarian jealousy by Popalzi nothing else why he want to dictate the whole country as a minority and flowing the moon sight in Afghanistan
Afghanistan didnt sight it!

And what if the opposite is true? That the moon was sighted in KPK? Does that make KPK not a part of Pakistan? I think the jealousy is on part of Muneeb's ego! He cant stand ANYONE addressing the country even though he is not legally entitled to addressing the country! He has just forced himself on us!

SUPARCO dont announce:
SUPARCO made an attempt to hold a press conference some two years ago about announcement of Ramazan moon sighting. However, the commission was asked to cancel the conference at the eleventh hour and allow Ruet-e-Hilal committee to officially announce it.

PMD dont tell info on moon:
Every year just a few weeks ahead of Ramazan or Eid-ul-Fitr, members of the committee strictly ask the officials of the PMD to avoid sharing information about moon sighting with the media, said the sources.

Reminder sent every year like some obsessed person:
An official in the PMD requesting anonymity said that every year PMD receives a letter from the Ruet-e-Hilal committee asking them not to share moon sighting news with the media before the Ruet-e-Hilal committee officially announces it.

Use govt involvement to remove any potential announcement:
Last year, the government had forcibly sent Mufti Shahabuddin Popalzai of Peshawar-based Masjid Qasim abroad just ahead of the Eidul Fitr in a bid to end the moon-sighting controversy.

Although the central body had no legal status and it was unconstitutional:

The head of the Senate standing committee on religious affairs in 2016 said, “Millions of people look up to the committee, especially during Ramazan, but the committee, set up via a resolution of parliament, is without a legal and constitutional status.”

Moreover, a senior official of Ministry of Religious Affairs told The Express that the Ruet-e-Hilal committee in 1974 was constituted through a resolution passed in the National Assembly. “However, so far no actual legislation or rules have been framed for it since it was established,” he added.


Asked to issue a bill in their favour despite not having a legal nor constitutional status:
In December 2017, the federal government forwarded the draft of Ruet-e-Hilal Bill 2017 which seeks the reconstitution of the Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee and suggests a one-year imprisonment, a Rs200,000 fine, or both, for anyone who would announce moon sighting before the official announcement made by the Ruet-e-Hilal committee.

The bill was requested due to petty reasoning?

The draft of bill is still pending with a parliamentary committee. This bill was drafted after an incident took place in 2016 in which the head of the Ruet-e-Hilal Committee lost his temper prior to a press conference when some TV channel announced Ramazan moon sighting news before his official announcement.

I am sorry but this all points to a mafia!! Not a noble man at all who cant even sit down and discuss matters but jumps to misuse of power he doesnt have?!
 
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I dont think he understands English...All he read is Muneeb being questioned for being impartial! Typical attitude of people who dont have the ability to question humans nor hold them responsible for their actions

Well, if administrator and conqueror of 2200 thousand square kilometers state can be questioned. I dont think questioning mufti muneeb, pervaiz musharaf, nawas sharif, imran khan and others should be criticised.
 
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Hazrat umar R.A
In Islam everyone can be questioned...Didnt the people question Prophet Muhammad? If they didnt question how would they have learnt? Questioning is an essential part of learning those who oppress it are transgressors!
 
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In Islam everyone can be questioned...Didnt the people question Prophet Muhammad? If they didnt question how would they have learnt? Questioning is an essential part of learning those who oppress it are transgressors!

Bit our "azeem" leaders think its an insult to then when a common nobody ask them questions.
 
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Yes, remove Mufti Muneeb and install Popalzai, remove Gen Bajwa and install Fazlullah, destroy all shrines and make raiwands on them, banned organizations should be allowed in whole FATA.... This is what they want from us. This mafia is getting huge blows and will be destroyed inshaAllah. They were against the creation of Pakistan whereas ghairatmand pushtoons supported Quaid e Azam. We can simply call them non-ghairatmand
 
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Bit our "azeem" leaders think its an insult to then when a common nobody ask them questions.
It is a common problem I noticed!! Even the imam wants to swallow you whole if you ask a question he cant answer...Instead of saying he doesnt know the answer he will attack you like a vicious rabid man!!


I found this very applicable!

= "What Color Was The Dog?" =

Once there was a community of Muslims who were small in number yet large in belief and strong in action. So much so that, the non-believers could not defeat them in battle even though they had the Muslims out numbered.

One day a young man from the enemies pretended to enter into Islam and he went to the big teacher [learned man] in one part of the city and listened to his teaching of the Quran. The subject happened to be on the chapter of the Quran called Al Kahaf [The Cave, - #18].

When the teacher completed his talk he offered a chance for the brothers present to ask some questions. When it came the turn of the non-believer, he asked the teacher the question:

“Sir, in the story of the 'sleepers' in the cave, there is mention of a dog. And I was wondering if I might inquire as to what color the dog might have been? I hope you don’t mind my asking, especially if it is something that maybe you don’t know the answer to.”

Immediately the teacher says to the young man, “That’s no problem at all, everyone should know that the dog was YELLOW.”

The young man said, “Are you sure? I mean, could it have been another color?”

“No.” replied the old teacher, “It was definitely YELLOW.” Once again the young man thanked him and when on his way.

The next night the young enemy acting as though we was still seeking knowledge went to the other side of town and sat in another gathering of knowledge and they too were discussing different things about verses in the Quran.

So when it came time for the teacher to give each person attending, the opportunity to ask a question, the imposter posing as a Muslim raised his hand and then asked the question, “In the chapter about the “Cave”, the sleepers are mentioned in different numbers but each time there is a reference to their dog as being counted along with them. Now I was wondering whether or not anyone of knowledge has ever made any reference to what the color the dog might have been?”

The teacher immediately said, “Yes! The dog in this story in the Quran was BLACK.”

The young non-believer man was pleased and continued, “Sir, are you quite certain that the color of the dog mentioned in the story was BLACK?”

“Young man,” he quickly replied, “I'll stake my reputation on that as a fact.”

“Thank you, sir." said the non-believer.

The next night the non-believer still posing as a Muslim went back to the first teacher and then when it came time for the questions and answers he raised his hand and asked, “Teacher, you have so much knowledge and I am only a small beginner, I was just wondering, could you maybe remind me about the answer to the question the other night about the color of the dog in the cave in Surah Al-Kahaf?” (Quran: Chapter 18).

The teacher said, “There is no doubt whatsoever amongst the great scholars of Islam on this question. The dog was YELLOW. And anyone who says other than this has no knowledge.”

With that the young man spoke up again and said, “Sir, what would you say if someone else said that he would stake his reputation of being a scholar in Islam on the fact that the dog is not yellow, but rather that the dog is most certainly BLACK?”

The teacher quickly replied, “Then his reputation is not that of a scholar but one of a fool.”

Now the next time the enemy went to the teacher who believed the dog was BLACK, he told the teacher that the teacher on the other side of town was calling him names and saying that he had no knowledge of Islam and that for sure that the dog was YELLOW.

The teacher became angry and shouted, “You tell him, that I said he is the one without knowledge. I am the one who graduated from the greatest of schools of Islam, while he is but a fool.”

The plan was working. Before long the community was divided into two groups. Each group was claiming that their teacher was the one with the correct answer. Fighting broke out in the streets and the Muslims began attacking each other all over the city. Everyone became involved to the extent that there was not a single person who was excluded from this terrible situation. Screaming, shouting, hitting and fighting were everywhere.

And then it happened. The kafr went back out to his people and told them, “Let us go to fight them now. You will now find them most easy to defeat.”

And that is exactly what they did.

May Allah save us from such fitnah [tribulations]. Ameen.

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The color of the dog didnt matter to the story but egoistic imams couldnt just say they dont know or that it is not mentioned...No they had to thump their chest with ignorance!

remove Mufti Muneeb
Who is removing him? Why are you being so extremist?

Or maybe you didnt bother reading the article?

It clearly is questioning Muneed if he cant be questioned that shows he thinks himself higher than the prophet who was always questioned so that people would learn!

Secondly, he seems to be shutting everyone up and refusing to talk

Repeated efforts to talk to him even at Senate levels have failed since he is being unreasonable!

in past, the dialogue on the issue had taken place at different forums including district level, National Assembly and Senate but the central Ruet-i-Hilal committee was not cooperating.

There was no Moon sighted even in India and Bangladesh ...i wonder what happened there...
India is not an Islamic state so if they celebrate together or on different occasions is not my problem! Bangladesh is no longer a part of Pakistan so they can decide on their own...KPK on the other hand is a part of Pakistan!
 
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@Dubious
You need some serious counselling, there is enough information available in google. YOu can check the structure as well as the powers of the Ruet i Hilal Committee to learn instead of crying like this which is kinda hilarious. Before displaying your incredible intellect first check the reason why Masjid Qasim Ali Khan [Peshawar Eid declaring committee] does the things it does.


Some posters favorite dawn wrote about this mosque, its history and its eid announcements in 2015.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1193393


Please care to read this, the dispute is not on who's heading but on using technology like telephone to report moon sightings and Met office predictions. Popalzai is happy with technology he himself uses like a bluetooth to interact with media and others. Also Popalzai wants legislation done on the issue. What is not in thi sarticle is the Greater Afghanistan mentality of doing Eid with Afghanistan than the rest of the nation,
There are 2 eids in KP also.

Ruet i Hilal Committee headed by anyone operates on advise of meteorologists as well as the ones reporting to it. Its well-represented on all of the schools of thought including meteorologists and Weather analysts.

One needs to research and look the information himself rather than react to hearsay by poster wh has zero idea about the issue and is crying on why the mullah is head or why is he authority, he actually is'nt. Whic is why the rest of PAkistan incl. FATA and KPK supports Ruet i Hilal Committee.
No one knew about this mosque but out traitor media has highlighted and gave them fame since the late 90s and early 2000s. Before ,nobody knew and gave them coverage but since then those who want to do eid with Saudi and Afghanistan have been supporting them including the traitor ANP.

@Dubious This guy has been ranting nonsense not knowing about the structure at all.
 
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This guy has been ranting nonsense not knowing about the structure at all.
Then why isnt he being shut? My question is simple is KPK part of Pakistan? If yes, why isnt their testimony ever counted? Muneeb can very well send some people to KPK and do the moon sighting himself....Instead of getting angry xyz announced before him or didnt match his announcement!

Silence isn't going to keep the nation together! It is called oppression and misuse of power! Muneeb doesnt even have legal nor constitutional right...coz the bill was never passed to make him god of announcement!

So back to my question, why is Muneeb misbehaving? Why is he acting like a Mafia by telling Met dept and SUPARCO not to release info? If he is working WITH them, then it is our right as a citizen of this country to have facts! Why all the underground DON style mafia?

Inclusion is the democratic right of KPK..I dont care if his mosque is/was famous or not...The very fact that SOMEONE raised this question means these QUESTIONS have been drifting around and if not this Pop guy someother guy would! We live in 21st century with KPK as a part of Pakistan...Give them their due right! Or at least send some members to KPK to sight and disprove this so called guy!
 
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