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Kameraman da hiç acımıyor hemen zoom basıyor herif:rofl::rofl:
Insan önce kegittaki basligi okur, yahu hicmi birsey görmemis bizim millet.
Hadi diyelim oyunu bilmiyolardi, be insan akil var mantik var bunlar darbe hakkinda sifre yazsalar öylesine cöpemi atarlardi.
Isin kötü yani ise eminim bircok insan bunu sorgulamadan bir gercekmis gibi yutmusturlar, daha cok isimiz var.
 
Insan önce kegittaki basligi okur, yahu hicmi birsey görmemis bizim millet.
Hadi diyelim oyunu bilmiyolardi, be insan akil var mantik var bunlar darbe hakkinda sifre yazsalar öylesine cöpemi atarlardi.
Isin kötü yani ise eminim bircok insan bunu sorgulamadan bir gercekmis gibi yutmusturlar, daha cok isimiz var.
Ülke nin tüm dertlerini çözecek tek şifa: düzgün bir eğitim sistemi...cidden diyorum hem bu ekran daki salaklıklardan hem FETÖ gibi viruslerden hem otobüsdeki yolcuların üstüne mastürbrasyon yapan heriflerden bu ülkeyi köklü olarak kurtarmanın ana yolu eğitimdir
 
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Ülke nin tüm dertlerini çözecek tek şifa: düzgün bir eğitim sistemi...cidden diyorum hem bu ekran daki salaklıklardan hem FETÖ gibi viruslerinden hem otobüsdeki yolucların üstüne mastürbrasyon yapan heriflerden bu ülkeden köklü olarak kurtarmanın ana yolu eğitimdir
Benim yegenlerim Istanbulda (Türkiyenin en gelismis sehri) iki vardiya okula gidiyorlar cünki okulda yer yok, önce buraya yatirim yapilmasi gerekirken paralar gereksiz islere harcaniyor, Türkiye egitime yeterince önem vermiyor bu bir gercek.
 
Benim yegenlerim Istanbulda (Türkiyenin en gelismis sehri) iki vardiya okula gidiyorlar cünki okulda yer yok, önce buraya yatirim yapilmasi gerekirken paralar gereksiz islere harcaniyor, Türkiye egitime yeterince önem vermiyor bu bir gercek.
Kendi okulunu kurmaya çalışan anne babalar var (imkanları el verenler bunlarda...) hani devlet eğitime olan güvende ciddi bir düşüş var. Zaten nasıl olmasın sen köy enstitülerini kapatıp (ders dışında müzik, spor vs. eğitimi veren gerçekten çok mantıklı ve topluma değer kazandıran kurumlar) yerine saçma sapan, 4 senedi bir değişen bir sistem getirirsen (herkes köy enstitüsüne gitsin demiyorum ama eğer imkanı az olan mesela enstrüman alacak parası olmayan veya edebiyattan haberi,klasik roman okumayan/bulamayan, olmayan çocuklara bu yönde eğitim verseniz-temel de Anadolu bölgesi için geçerlidir bu durum- ülke bir jenerasyon sonra gözle görülür bir şekilde gelişir) millet zaten öğrenemez. Bu günlerde hemen eğitime el atılması gerek, böyle olmaz
 
Kendi okulunu kurmaya çalışan anne babalar var (imkanları el verenler bunlarda...) hani devlet eğitime olan güvende ciddi bir düşüş var. Zaten nasıl olmasın sen köy enstitülerini kapatıp (ders dışında müzik, spor vs. eğitimi veren gerçekten çok mantıklı ve topluma değer kazandıran kurumlar) yerine saçma sapan, 4 senedi bir değişen bir sistem getirirsen (herkes köy enstitüsüne gitsin demiyorum ama eğer imkanı az olan mesela enstrüman alacak parası olmayan veya edebiyattan haberi,klasik roman okumayan/bulamayan, olmayan çocuklara bu yönde eğitim verseniz-temel de Anadolu bölgesi için geçerlidir bu durum- ülke bir jenerasyon sonra gözle görülür bir şekilde gelişir) millet zaten öğrenemez. Bu günlerde hemen eğitime el atılması gerek, böyle olmaz
Bir politikacinin en korktugu sey egitimli insandir.
 
UK envoy: Gülen may be behind failed coup attempt

What do you think was the turning point in the July 15 coup attempt?

I think one of things that made great impressions on me, the key point clearly in the whole night – was when the president was able to get on the iPhone and make that interview with the CNN Türk. That was the turning point. Subsequent events proved this. People responded to the president’s call, went out the streets and at that point the coup was doomed. It was for me a kind of coming of age of Turkish democracy.

The fact that all four parties united in condemnation of the coup just said something very important about Turkish democracy. And then you know people coming out of the streets facing down soldiers, tanks and guns with bravery and a lot of loss of life. This all make you think that this country has reached a level of democratic maturity despite the polarization and difficulties of the last few years and fierce disputes between the government and opposition. Here is the moment where they stood together. And it seems to me that this is one of the big elements of hope to come out of this.


The government accused the Gülen organization of being behind this coup attempt. Do you agree with this?

I guess we’ll see more definitively as the legal process develops. But I don’t have any difficulty in accepting what the government is saying; that Gülenists were involved in this coup. I think emerging evidence suggests that conclusion (i.e., some of the comments supposed to have been said by some of the arrested officers, the indication from the chief of General Staff that someone offered to put him on the phone to Fethullah Gülen). So, circumstantially, without prejudging the judicial process, it looks to me a pretty convincing case. But no doubt more will emerge in the coming weeks so I don’t want to jump to conclusions.


You are a sort of Turkish expert and you know these Gülenist people. Have you ever thought that these people could attempt such a thing?

Look, having spoken to senior officials, to senior ministers here, I don’t think anyone understood the degree to which they appear to have penetrated the military. I think there is a quite good deal of understanding that they had infiltrated other institutions, particularly the police and judiciary. We saw that in the Ergenekon and Balyoz cases. But I think we were all surprised at the scale of it in the military. But is it a complete surprise? No. There have been reports of Gülenists trying to get in the military as early as the 1990s.

So, I don’t find it difficult to understand. Again, in private, I have heard from Turkish ministers that others apart from Gülenists were probably involved in the coup; not every single officer discharged from the army is likely to have been a Gülenist. Clearly there are people involved in the coup for other motivations which should come clearer in the coming weeks. Perhaps some of those other people did not know that some of their brother officers were Gülenists; no doubt some of that detail will come out. But do I have any trouble in accepting the Gülenist movement played a part in this? No, I don’t frankly.


We read a lot of reports on foreign powers’ role in the coup. Was the U.K. behind it?

No, clearly we are not. Nor is the United States, by the way. That’s also ridiculous. Some of the coverage of the coup and its aftermath, frankly, has been pretty ill-informed and not very high-quality. That’s true for some of the Western media coverage. I am afraid that it is also true for some of the Turkish media coverage. To run stories aboutAmerican generals in Afghanistan being behind the coup…. It’s not just silly, it’s damaging because if that type of stuff is floating around, it allows people overseas to be dismissive and they should not be. They should know how close this country came to falling into an abyss. And it did not fall into an abyss because the political class here remained united and ordinary people went out on the street and stopped it and of course we mustn’t forget that the vast majority of the Armed Forces stayed loyal.


Do you share concerns that the government reaction against the Gülenists within the state, media and elsewhere could turn into a major crackdown on opponents?

I think it’s legitimate to recognize there is a risk. But I think it’s understandable if the government reacts sharply when people start to criticize them in advance for bad things they expect Ankara to do but they haven’t actually done yet! This has particularly been the case on the issue of capital punishment. I think we will have to carefully watch and see what happens. That for me is the most important thing. We have to start off by recognizing that this country has a serious issue it has to deal with – and again I have been influenced by the attitude of the opposition parties on this issue and those not known to be pro-government. They have been very clear that they understand there is an issue here: and that if people try and infiltrate state institutions and act as a subversive force, then that threat needs to be removed. So there is an understanding; this is the starting point.


And then of course any action against anyone has to be proportionate and has to stay within the rule of law. Turkey has to meet their international obligations. And on all of those, the government has given assurances that those are its intentions.


Clearly we have raised in recent months and years concerns about the deterioration in the freedom of expression, and those concerns remain. We have been surprised by some of the names included in the arrests. I hope as prosecutors take this process forward that those people who can be seen neither to be involved in the coup nor involved in the infiltration and subversion of the Turkish state institutions can be allowed to resume their normal life quickly.


What would be your reaction to any Turkish demand regarding Gülen-affiliated organizations in the U.K.?

We will take any approach by Turkey seriously. We have not yet had any documentary requests but I am sure they will come. I had a call to the General Directorate of Security police chief primarily to express my condolences on the losses of his officers’ lives. The issue of Gülenists in London was raised. And what I said to him was we will take this seriously. We are not dismissive of this in any shape or form. We are Turkey’s closest ally in the fight against the PKK [outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party] and the DHKP-C [Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party-Front]. If Turkey produces evidence that organizations in the U.K. affiliated with Gülen movement have been involved in illegal activities and attempted to subvert democratic institutions, then we’ll have no hesitation, of course, in trying to help.


We have witnessed thousands of dismissals from the Turkish army. As a NATOally, do you think the Turkish army has been weakened?

Look, clearly, you can’t go through the experience of a coup where elements of the military were involved without repercussions for the Turkish military. Our starting point is we understand something needs to be done. You can’t just carry on as if nothing happened. The Turkish military is the second largest army in NATO and Turkey has been an absolutely vital member of NATO since 1952. And therefore, we need a strong and effective Turkish military within the alliance. I am very confident that the government and the TSK intend to come through the turbulence and to get to that point.


Frankly I would also say, “never waste a crisis;” there are some opportunities to make reforms in the military and in military-civil relations which perhaps were overdue. Leaving aside the conventional military partnership we share, we also worry deeply about the threat from DAESH [Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant] in particular, and the PKK – a dangerous threat to Turkey, to its tourism industry and to rest of Europe. Cooperation on that issue remains absolutely vital for us.


So in the aftermath of the coup, we received assurances from the highest levels in Turkey that Turkey intends to absolutely continue its struggle against DAESH at the same level.


The appointment of Boris Johnson as Britain’s foreign secretary caused skepticism here over his remarks on Turkey. When does he plan to come to Turkey?

Well, I don’t know, but I know he wants to come relatively soon. Probably in the autumn. I found some of the rhetoric during our referendum campaign both ill-informed and unfair about Turkey. But the Turkish leadership absolutely made it clear in conversations with our new U.K. government that that is in the past.
International relations are not just about personalities; we should look at the fundamentals of our relationship. Here we are already NATO allies and G-20 partners. [We are] Turkey’s second largest export market, and 2,700 U.K. companies work here. So there is a deep full spectrum relationship and I am very confident that our new foreign secretary and prime minister will get on very well with their counterparts.
For our foreign secretary, his connection with Turkey really means something to him. He’s got relatives, cousins here, some of them very eminent Turkish diplomats. It’s not a remote thing to him, it’s a meaningful connection. I think when he comes he will focus on it. But you tell me, is there any foreign secretary in the world who is partly Turk? I think that gives us a unique perspective on Turkey. Turkey is very much in front of his vision at the moment after the attempted coup which was the first crisis with which he had to deal.


Minister Duncan sole European visitor to Turkey after coup

I do understand the Turkish frustration with people who mention the coup briefly and swiftly go on to complain about post-coup measures. But it is important to remember that the condemnation of the coup was universal from all of Turkey’s allies. The U.K.’s condemnation of the coup was particularly clear and absolute.

That’s why our minister for Europe and the Americas, Sir Alan Duncan, came out on July 20-21. He had only been in office for three days. Why I did advise him to come? Because it was important to go beyond just statements and to perform a very symbolic act by coming to Turkey. We also have not rushed to make judgements on things like the state of emergency. Before calling on the foreign minister and prime minister, the first thing our Minister Duncan did was to go to see the speaker of the Parliament, to say “Right I am here in the building, the symbol of democracy, that was bombed.”

The last time the House of Commons was bombed was by Hitler.

July/30/2016

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Now compare this attitude with the borderline arrogant and unsympathetic approach of Germany/France and the US (Im not even going to mention the cunts from the EU establishment). British diplomacy is shrewd and smart...the others are plainly arrogant and stupid


Italy sees Erdogans acting as tyrannical, and a coup itself. So in other words you want us to hail a dictator that we have zero respect for?

Our PM made it very clear yesterday that he dont think very high about Erdogan and his croonies. That has nothing to do with turkey as country.

So what do you expect? We have strong evidence that coup was staged. We consider it as laughable that within hours the turkish leadership had arrest lists ready.

The idea this coup was planned from an old man in USA insults our intellect.

So what do you expect? That we throw our opinion away, look away and ignore this?

Meanwhile Erdogan threatened europe today with war. I dont think we are partners any longer. At best we can stay neutral.
 
Italy sees Erdogans acting as tyrannical, and a coup itself. So in other words you want us to hail a dictator that we have zero respect for?

Italy ? Now we are started to talk about Italy ? Sorry, but who cares italy? I mean, we are not talking about Germany, or England, or USA, or Russia, or China, or NOT even France. But Italy?

Armenian president says so many stupid things as well, but we dont actually care what Armenia, Italy, Sudan, Zimbabwe think :)

As an opposition of Erdoğan, and a Kemalist, we are fully support Turkish Republic and it's elected President against Fethollah Terror Organisation and it's coup attemp. It doesnt matter what Italy class states think, mate :P
 
Italy sees Erdogans acting as tyrannical, and a coup itself. So in other words you want us to hail a dictator that we have zero respect for?

Our PM made it very clear yesterday that he dont think very high about Erdogan and his croonies. That has nothing to do with turkey as country.

So what do you expect? We have strong evidence that coup was staged. We consider it as laughable that within hours the turkish leadership had arrest lists ready.

The idea this coup was planned from an old man in USA insults our intellect.

So what do you expect? That we throw our opinion away, look away and ignore this?

Meanwhile Erdogan threatened europe today with war. I dont think we are partners any longer. At best we can stay neutral.
You have evidence of it being staged ? Please share, as a matter of fact sell it to major news outlets..,you'd become a millionaire.

Erdogan didn't threaten you with war, he simply pointed out the general hypocrisy the West shows towards Turkey.

The idea that you think a coup attempt in which 300 innocents lost their lives, some torn to shreds by assault helicopters and some run over by tanks was staged insults not only our intellect but everything we stand for. It doesn't have to be said this won't be forgotten and it won't be forgiven

But as they say "what goes around comes around" see you in October:rofl:
 
Italy ? Now we are started to talk about Italy ? Sorry, but who cares italy? I mean, we are not talking about Germany, or England, or USA, or Russia, or China, or NOT even France. But Italy?

Armenian president says so many stupid things as well, but we dont actually care what Armenia, Italy, Sudan, Zimbabwe think :)

As an opposition of Erdoğan, and a Kemalist, we are fully support Turkish Republic and it's elected President against Fethollah Terror Organisation and it's coup attemp. It doesnt matter what Italy class states think, mate :P


Italy is in the top 7 economies of the world. Italy is teh nation responsible that turkey never achieved membership status in EU. So you can throw your insults all you want. We currently confiscated Erdogans sons property here. as he is under crime investigation.

I wont fall so deep as you and belittle your country though. The fact that we always caused your downfall is joy enough.

P.s. Do you think one of your greates Sultans did think about us as he lay on the floor puking blood after he consumed the finest poison from Venice? ;)

You have evry right to support your government. Just as we have evry right to see them as laughable opera dictators.

You have evidence of it being staged ? Please share, as a matter of fact sell it to major news outlets..,you'd become a millionaire.

Erdogan didn't threaten you with war, he simply pointed out the general hypocrisy the West shows towards Turkey.

The idea that you think a coup attempt in which 300 innocents lost their lives, some torn to shreds by assault helicopters and some run over by tanks was staged insults not only our intellect but everything we stand for. It doesn't have to be said this won't be forgotten and it won't be forgiven

But as they say "what goes around comes around" see you in October:rofl:


Our elite, media as well as news see it as staged coup. It is not possible that within just a few hours Erdogan had lists with thousands of names he planned to get rid off. He profits enormous from the coup.

There where staged events in history with far more bloodshed.

I think you noticed that its not just italy but the majority of europeans doesnt take this "coup" serious.

Yes Erdogan did threaten us. Its in all news today he said you have cannons and tanks. What else is this than a threat?

Also i dont think we have to wait till October. You should follow media. Leading european politicians demand that the turkey deal gets canceleld and Plan A is pushed forward. The fortress Europa.

As i said we wont agree in this anyways.

No member of a great european nation sided with your regime. Nor any visitor from EU. I think we made out point clear.
 
you can throw your insults all you want

Insult ? What o_O

Italy is a Vassal State of Germany. It would be silly to take Italy serious, instead we could always talk with Italy's owner, Merkel.

Btw i said that I am a Kemalist, i am an opposition of Erdoğan, i dislike most of his policies. Yet, you still call "your Sultan". So there is two possiblities ;

1) Your ignorance is so huge that you dont know what Kemalism is and what Kemalists think,
2) Your butthurt is so huge that you try to make Turks angry in the forum with using dictatorship words

Well, i take as first option, and will teach you basic facts about Kemalism and Turkish Republic. First of all, we dislike Erdoğan's interrior policy, specially his movements against environment, we dislike his old attempts to remove Kemalists professors/Generals/writers from Universities/Army/Newspapers, we dislike that he was the one who put Fethollah terrorists into State in first place between 2007-2013.

But we Kemalists are Patriots and Democratic people. So we will always defend our country against Fethollah Terror Organisation, it doesnt matter who rule our country. We Kemalists will always respect elected President. It doesnt matter if we respect him or like him or dislike him. Did my Nation elected him ? Yes. Period :)
 
Italy is in the top 7 economies of the world. Italy is teh nation responsible that turkey never achieved membership status in EU. So you can throw your insults all you want. We currently confiscated Erdogans sons property here. as he is under crime investigation.

I wont fall so deep as you and belittle your country though. The fact that we always caused your downfall is joy enough.

P.s. Do you think one of your greates Sultans did think about us as he lay on the floor puking blood after he consumed the finest poison from Venice? ;)

You have evry right to support your government. Just as we have evry right to see them as laughable opera dictators.




Our elite, media as well as news see it as staged coup. It is not possible that within just a few hours Erdogan had lists with thousands of names he planned to get rid off. He profits enormous from the coup.

There where staged events in history with far more bloodshed.

I think you noticed that its not just italy but the majority of europeans doesnt take this "coup" serious.

Yes Erdogan did threaten us. Its in all news today he said you have cannons and tanks. What else is this than a threat?

Also i dont think we have to wait till October. You should follow media. Leading european politicians demand that the turkey deal gets canceleld and Plan A is pushed forward. The fortress Europa.

As i said we wont agree in this anyways.

No member of a great european nation sided with your regime. Nor any visitor from EU. I think we made out point clear.
Yup you made clear that you are unreliable and deserve to be categorised as a hostile entity. Ah well...ashes to ashes and dust to dust
 
Insult ? What o_O

Italy is a Vassal State of Germany. It would be silly to take Italy serious, instead we could always talk with Italy's owner, Merkel.

Btw i said that I am a Kemalist, i am an opposition of Erdoğan, i dislike most of his policies. Yet, you still call "your Sultan". So there is two possiblities ;

1) Your ignorance is so huge that you dont know what Kemalism is and what Kemalists think,
2) Your butthurt is so huge that you try to make Turks angry in the forum with using dictatorship words

Well, i take as first option, and will teach you basic facts about Kemalism and Turkish Republic. First of all, we dislike Erdoğan's interrior policy, specially his movements against environment, we dislike his old attempts to remove Kemalists professors/Generals/writers from Universities/Army/Newspapers, we dislike that he was the one who put Fethollah terrorists into State in first place between 2007-2013.

But we Kemalists are Patriots and Democratic people. So we will always defend our country against Fethollah Terror Organisation, it doesnt matter who rule our country. We Kemalists will always respect elected President. It doesnt matter if we respect him or like him or dislike him. Did my Nation elected him ? Yes. Period :)


Thats all fine.
It doesnt change our opinion.

I believe you have a problem with true alliance. A true ally mentions your mistakes and tries to better you. We are deeply worried about whats going on there. A false friend tells you what you want to hear.

Yup you made clear that you are unreliable and deserve to be categorised as a hostile entity. Ah well...ashes to ashes and dust to dust


you see us as hostile entity because we see the coup as fake and erdogan as dictator? With all due respect we came to this conclusion because it looks like this for us.

What you expect? That we hide our opinion and play nice against our believes?
 
Thats all fine.
It doesnt change our opinion.

I believe you have a problem with true alliance. A true ally mentions your mistakes and tries to better you. We are deeply worried about whats going on there. A false friend tells you what you want to hear.




you see us as hostile entity because we see the coup as fake and erdogan as dictator? With all due respect we came to this conclusion because it looks like this for us.

What you expect? That we hide our opinion and play nice against our believes?
You will, whether you accept it or not, be proven wrong by history. It's a fact in the making
 

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