Capt Sher Khan's body after Shahadat

[kurup]

kid at least if u wanna make excuse then make it a value able one.

JF 17 is a platform designed for nxt 25 years in service. and it was just 1 that too during a routine flight not in a war time.
If yr migs r so vulnerable then why r they still in service as we speak??
As far as i know they r latest migs anywhere on earth. ie mig21.
now its 2013 n then it was 2001-2002 or maybe 99 when they were shot.

If we believe in yr logic then tell me is IAF so stupid to sent their outdated A/C to offensive missions when they have other n better quality fighters??

U know its a greatest embarrassment for an AF it yr a/c crashes in a war time scenario specially its over enemy airspace.
Its just a loss of live out loss of a State owned property too who is wasted even without fulfilling its purpose.
U accept yr AF is incompetent n i rest my case.

But the reality is that it was just an excuse to save yr face.

The bold part shows why it is futile to debate with you ......

 

[ice_man]

the only reason India wanted Khan to get honor was so that pakistan Army would claim him to be their own. simple. otherwise we know how india loves to distort stuff like the recent beheading nonsense!

 

[Mujahid]

the only reason India wanted Khan to get honor was so that pakistan Army would claim him to be their own. simple. otherwise we know how india loves to distort stuff like the recent beheading nonsense!

This can be true because India had been repeatedly saying that Pak Army regulars have infiltrated.. and Pakistan was saying that Mujhaideen are involved.

 

[anilindia]

This can be true because India had been repeatedly saying that Pak Army regulars have infiltrated.. and Pakistan was saying that Mujhaideen are involved.

You forget Musharraf and recently many pak army officer admitted than pak army regular are involved in kargil. Stop this nonsense of Mujahadin involvement. At leat honor your soldier died their

 

[Mujahid]

You forget Musharraf and recently many pak army officer admitted than pak army regular are involved in kargil. Stop this nonsense of Mujahadin involvement. At leat honor your soldier died their

Who said that we did not honor our soldier.
He was awarded the highest gallantry award.

 

[anilindia]

Who said that we did not honor our soldier.
He was awarded the highest gallantry award.

Only after India say so. Why pakistan army ditch them and term them Mujahadin and even not ready to accept their dead body. This is worst disrespect to any soldier. Not accepting soldiers even by their own army.

 

[humanfirst]

the only reason India wanted Khan to get honor was so that pakistan Army would claim him to be their own. simple. otherwise we know how india loves to distort stuff like the recent beheading nonsense!

Actually the whole incidents of india praising his valor and indian Lt.Col writing to pakistani counterpart took place after the involvement of pak regular soldiers was known to the whole world.

 

[ice_man]

Only after India say so. Why pakistan army ditch them and term them Mujahadin and even not ready to accept their dead body. This is worst disrespect to any soldier. Not accepting soldiers even by their own army.

the soldiers knew what they were going in for. so no worries! it was a chosen mission not a forced one. a soldier lives and dies for country not glory!

 

[SatishChandra07]

my respect to this brave man

 

[Umair Nawaz]

The bold part shows why it is futile to debate with you ......

arnt bison lastest n most advance mig21s??

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Yes I have moral courage I accept we lost 1962 to the China.Your gibberish doesn't account for any substance ,just empty words to balm your ego.Nothing more than that.
Let me explain it to you by an example for instance consider your home get attacked in the night by robbers but you not only repel them but incur more damage to them than yourself.Won't you call yourself victorious .

Were u able to achieve yr objectives??
war objective was to take the main cities that was threshed badly by our armed forces.
And yr overall objective was to stop us from a suppose attack like op gibraltar did u made us stop it??
As far as i know that in 80s,90s the Kashmiri liberation movement became armed n yr country blames us for that. So if we believe u then certainly u failed to achieve yr main objective. But u still claim victory there
Do u even know that yr RAW had also came into being on 1967-68 as u didnt had sufficient DATA about our armed forces in 1965.

The Research and Analysis Wing (RAW or R&AW) is the main external intelligence agency of the Republic of India. It was formed in September 1968 under the helmsman-ship of its first Director, R. N. Kao. Its creation was necessitated by the poor performance of the Intelligence Bureau (which then handled both internal and external intelligence) in the wars against China (1962) and Pakistan (1965) which convinced the government that a specialized, independent agency was required for competent external intelligence gathering.

Research and Analysis Wing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why would a victorious will feel like this(abt. bolded part)

If there is any victorious that is only Pakistan was we were able to successfully defend our homeland.

Also let me remind u that those lands that u n us had occupied r NO more part of the respective as both country were forced to go back into pre feb 26 positions.

The only thing that is in yr favor is the casualty rate. But if u compare Kargil then the casualty rate is in our favor but still we accept our defeat as we didnt accomplish our objectives that were to cut the land route of yr supplies for Siachin.
But still we hold the point 5353 ie Tiger Hill which is the highest point in the area. Which makes us in advantageous position in the sector just like u r in advantageous position in Siachin by holding the highest peaks in the area.

in the above video yr own general is saying abt casualty rate in Kargil.

in the above video yr own journalist is taking abt point 5353 and how it puts danger to yr armed forces.

BTW 1962 was at its best a border conflict. It cant be called a full scale war.

Your country actually doesnt tell u entire story about history but rather blames Pakistan's History for distortion.

 

[Gentelman]

You forget Musharraf and recently many pak army officer admitted than pak army regular are involved in kargil. Stop this nonsense of Mujahadin involvement. At leat honor your soldier died their

bro NLI was involved in Kargil and at that time NLI was not part of PA it was a paramiltary force soo still PA regular units were not at Kargil...
Now after Kargil NLI was awarded as a regular PA part....

 

[kurup]

arnt bison lastest n most advance mig21s??

Yes , then you should have been specific about that .This is what you said

As far as i know they r latest migs anywhere on earth. ie mig21.

 

[Mujahid]

Only after India say so. Why pakistan army ditch them and term them Mujahadin and even not ready to accept their dead body. This is worst disrespect to any soldier. Not accepting soldiers even by their own army.

Take a look at this statement of ISPR;

Pakistan contacts ICRC for return of bodies

16 July 1999, ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Friday reiterated its demand by calling upon India to return the bodies of Captain Karnal Sher Khan and others which are being kept by it against all norms of decency and diplomatic behavior. Billing it as "extremely regrettable and unfortunate" Foreign Office spokesman Tariq Altaf told a briefing along with Director General ISPR Brigadier Rashid Qureshi that there "is no indication when the bodies will be made available". He said the DGMOs contacted on Friday afternoon and Pakistan reiterated its demand to return the bodies of its men or even of the Mujahideen. Indian DGMO, he said, told his Pakistani counterpart that he would try but "the bodies were still with the Indians." On the identification of bodies, he said, the body of Captain Sher had been identified by Pakistan and his identification card number had been communicated to them. But Indian claim that the second body was that of Captain Imtiaz was false as Imtiaz was wounded and was recovering in a hospital in Pakistan. Pakistan was in touch with the International Committee of the Red Cross to ask India to handover the bodies to it, said the spokesman. The disengagement of Mujahideen and Indian Army in Kargil-Drass Sector will take a couple of more days, DG ISPR, Brigadier Rashid Qureshi told the briefing. The phased disengagement starting from Kaksar to Mushkoh sectors and then finally to areas opposite Drass-Batalik sectors were supposed to be completed in a few days, he said. There has been no fire along Kaksar, Mushkoh and opposite Drass-Batalik Sectors during the last 48 hours. He, however, said one captain of Pakistan Army was seriously injured during an exchange of fire in Mushkoh Sector on Wednesday and embraced martyrdom while en route to hospital. Rashid said India has been claiming to have in possession bodies of 68 Pakistani officers and soldiers. "It is ridiculous as to how come they have the bodies of 68 Pakistani soldiers while only 24 of our men are missing." The army spokesman said Indian television networks have been showing the shoulder titles, badges of ranks and division signs of alleged Pakistani soldiers. "Everyone who is a bit aware of the armies in Pakistan and India knows that the officers and soldiers deployed at such positions do not wear shoulder titles even in peace let alone at the time when Indians were firing across the LoC." He said Indians have been refusing to handover the bodies of the two soldiers which they alleged belonged to Pakistan for identification purpose. "Time and again they were asked to handover the bodies for identification but they asked for strange requirements. "We will be honored to bury these bodies in Pakistan if they belong to Mujahideen." Rashid said India claims that it also possessed the body of Brigadier Nusrat Sial "who was killed in a helicopter crash in Skardu". He said Sial was buried in Jhang. "Have they tunneled from New Delhi to Jhang to retrieve the body."

KARGIL CONFLICT

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Yes , then you should have been specific about that .This is what you said

U stupid i had mentioned mig 21 there. Its u who didnt understood.

its just an excuse to save yr face.