Canadian man sentenced to death in first instance

[Feng Leng]

Why surprised? All the Canadian mainstream news never mentioned that point. That's how they keep our Canadian population stupid. All they kept mentioning was that it's political, why they revert from 15 years to life and now a good ol Canadian boy is sentenced to death by evil Chinese.

That is BRAINWASHING.

That is why I have argued time and time again on PDF, the best strategy is a preemptive nuclear strike to reduce their population to near zero. You cannot break through the brainwashing. Why bother trying? Just put the brainwashed out of their misery.

 

[Jlaw]

That is BRAINWASHING.

You probably don't know this but Canadians in general are more racist than Australians. Canadians are good at keeping the racism inside whereas Australians are more vocal. You go to small town Canadian school you will definitely get into fights with white kids

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

You probably don't know this but Canadians in general are more racist than Australians. Canadians are good at keeping the racism inside whereas Australians are more vocal. You go to small town Canadian school you will definitely get into fights with white kids

And Canadians call themselves a country respect diversities,I almost bought it few years ago.
Now,No thanks!

 

[Jlaw]

And Canadians call themselves a country respect diversities,I almost bought it few years ago.
Now,No thanks!

Many mainland Chinese think so. But I grew up in Canada so I know their psyche. The reason they need immigrants is for money ($$$) , cheap source of labour for service industry and votes, nothing more.
Ask yourself this. Why the majority of immigrants non whites? Other whites know better than to come to Canada. They rather stay in Europe and elsewhere.

 

[Nilgiri]

Btw from what I have read of the treaty does it not only covers something that is a crime in both states is it really a crime to defy US sanctions on Iran ?

Thats why the extradition process will take a while as the specifics of that will be deliberated upon now in a court under impartial judge (Feb 6th is when the next hearing takes place I believe). Basically how specific does a law of one have to be to not come under "crime in both" coverage....there is no generic "violating sanction crime" remember...it is specified into many different crimes (like misrepresenting nature of business w.r.t hostile country embargo etc)...so the actual crime does not need to be (given case was clearly NOT dismissed in 1st hearing) even word for word carbon copy Iran-based (given embargoes and misrepresentation with intent for nature of business to get around that embargo can definitely be argued to be a crime in Canada under Canadian law...Canada has and does participate in embargoes...including ongoing ones with Iran, there is volume of precedent on it)

Not denying it being political by China however such a move was expected from China I am surprised Canada didn't anticipate that

You take the reaction of shock etc too much....Canada of course would have known this is a potential, even likely outcome (dependent on how China wants to escalate and has few recourse to make any true high level example out of Canada, so they reach for low ones).

Canada is not going to put its law "on hold/ignore/selectivity" for any other country (that is the whole point of rule of law)....if they want to change what they do because of perceived "politics", thats on them....not us (and we let every country judge them and us as they want to in the end). We aren't going to crush student protesters with tanks anytime soon either....can't be said to have never happened with them lot, that are speaking about "credibility" of their law and crying foul of ours... (sounds pretty stale given the great proven track record of bringing those perpetrators to account and hearing the evidence fairly....what do you do when the govt IS the perpetrator?...and has no peaceful civilian political challenge?). So yeah everyone can just judge away as they see fit to in the end. Sometimes less said the better.

@Vergennes @Joe Shearer @gambit @jhungary @VCheng @Hamartia Antidote @James Jaevid @jbgt90 @Vibrio

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Thats why the extradition process will take a while as the specifics of that will be deliberated upon now in a court under impartial judge (Feb 6th is when the next hearing takes place I believe). Basically how specific does a law of one have to be to not come under "crime in both" coverage....there is no generic "violating sanction crime" remember...it is specified into many different crimes (like misrepresenting nature of business w.r.t hostile country embargo etc)...so the actual crime does not need to be (given case was clearly NOT dismissed in 1st hearing) even word for word carbon copy Iran-based (given embargoes and misrepresentation with intent for nature of business to get around that embargo can definitely be argued to be a crime in Canada under Canadian law...Canada has and does participate in embargoes...including ongoing ones with Iran, there is volume of precedent on it)



You take the reaction of shock etc too much....Canada of course would have known this is a potential, even likely outcome (dependent on how China wants to escalate and has few recourse to make any true high level example out of Canada, so they reach for low ones).

Canada is not going to put its law "on hold/ignore/selectivity" for any other country (that is the whole point of rule of law)....if they want to change what they do because of perceived "politics", thats on them....not us (and we let every country judge them and us as they want to in the end). We aren't going to crush student protesters with tanks anytime soon either....can't be said to have never happened with them lot, that are speaking about "credibility" of their law and crying foul of ours... (sounds pretty stale given the great proven track record of bringing those perpetrators to account and hearing the evidence fairly....what do you do when the govt IS the perpetrator?...and has no peaceful civilian political challenge?). So yeah everyone can just judge away as they see fit to in the end. Sometimes less said the better.

@Vergennes @Joe Shearer @gambit @jhungary @VCheng @Hamartia Antidote @James Jaevid @jbgt90 @Vibrio

I think you should delay it until after they execute the Canadian and then the judge immediately authorizes the extradition.

 

[Nilgiri]

I think you should delay it until after they execute the Canadian and then the judge immediately authorizes the extradition.

It will last a few months regardless. Again there should be no political contamination of the Canadian judicial process. Everything should be done purely by the merit of the case.

 

[HariPrasad]

Kangaroo court judgement to avenge Huwai CFO arrest. Better no Canadian ever visit China.

 

[hiseen]

Kangaroo court judgement to avenge Huwai CFO arrest. Better no Canadian ever visit China.

YES! GO TO INDIA!

 

[Han Patriot]

YES! GO TO INDIA!

White girl in India? Gosh...you know what appu will do.

 

[TaiShang]

be careful guys when you need to visit that third world city @TaiShang @AndrewJin @rambro

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Warning has already been issued.

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China Responds to Canada’s Travel Advisory With One of Its Own

By Dave Yin / Jan 16, 2019

Photo: VCG

China’s Foreign Ministry issued a travel advisory for Canada Tuesday afternoon, warning Chinese nationals to “fully evaluate the risks” of traveling there in the near future in the latest clash between the two countries.

Citing the "arbitrary detention" of a Chinese national in Canada at the request of a "third-party country," the U.S., the Foreign Ministry published the warning on one of its official WeChat accounts following Canada’s warning about China to its own travelers hours earlier.

The Foreign Ministry’s wording echoed that of the travel advisory issued by Ottawa Tuesday morning after a Chinese court sentenced a Canadian man to death on drug-smuggling charges.

A court in the northeastern Chinese city of Dalian announced the death penalty for Canadian Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, convicted of drug trafficking, in what is seen as a major escalation of a diplomatic row between Beijing and Ottawa. The Sino-Canada faceoff started with Canada’s arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou on the request of the United States. China since detained two Canadians last month on suspicion of endangering national security.

White girl in India? Gosh...you know what appu will do.

Whites will be worse off in India after 2030.

 

[Feng Leng]

And Canadians call themselves a country respect diversities,I almost bought it few years ago.
Now,No thanks!

Before WW2, the Anglo countries openly declared themselves the most advanced and prestigious ethnicity on Earth and all others are only good for being servants and slaves of the Anglos. There was absolutely no difference between the racial theories of the Third Reich, Imperial Japan and those of the Anglo countries. There was an early attempt to hide the racial superiority theories under the guise of "white man's burden" to civilize the world.

After WW2, to justify their occupation of the Third Reich, the Anglo countries invented liberalism, which hides their racial superiority theories by overtly saying "we are all equal" but deploy the instrument of popular culture to instill in the population the idea that white men are the saviors of the world. That is why nearly every single Hollywood movie revolves around the theme of a white man saving the world. They don't "say" it, they just "show" it.

It also has the benefit of allowing immigration for cheap labor purposes. The passport doesn't say "second class citizen" but everybody who watches Hollywood movies (which simply means everybody) knows who is "first class" and who is "second class".

 

[Kyle Sun]

Can you explain me why China did not give him death sentence to begin with?....i.e what changed (in the case itself) that now they give him one (if it is to be believed politics played no role)?

I can't. And I asked the same question.

 

[TaiShang]

The only unfair thing about this case is that the cost of the trial has to be borne by China.

Canada should be a gentleman and at least share the cost. In the end, it is their criminal.

 

[Nilgiri]

The only unfair thing about this case is that the cost of the trial has to be borne by China.

Canada should be a gentleman and at least share the cost. In the end, it is their criminal.

Does China allow independent hired counsel in legal affairs (esp for criminal law)? Or is the statute only public appointed defenders are allowed?