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Can Turkey, Iran Cooperate on Syria?

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Turkish President Abdullah Gul and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani sit together during closed-door talks, Sept. 25, 2013.

By: Semih Idiz for Al-Monitor Turkey Pulse Posted on September 27

Iran’s new president, Hassan Rouhani, is causing much optimism around the world, not only raising hopes that some of the tensions in the Middle East involving Iran might be reduced, but also that Tehran can help resolve the region's most burning issue today — namely, the crisis in Syria. Whether this optimism is justified, only time will tell, but all new beginnings justify the benefit of the doubt.

Rouhani’s election is also seen as an opportunity for improving Turkish-Iranian ties, which have been strained in recent years for a host of reasons, most notably the support the two countries are giving to the opposing sides in the Syrian conflict. In a Sept. 26 article for Al-Monitor, Fehim Tastekin provides a broad analysis of the possible new opportunities under Rouhani for relations between Tehran and Ankara.

Recent high-level contacts between the two countries were capped by talks between President Abdullah Gul and Rouhani in New York on the sidelines of this year's opening of the UN General Assembly. According to media reports, their meeting was warm and held in a spirit of cooperation on a host of issues, including Syria. Giving the urgency of the matter, however, the immediate question is what can the two countries do to cooperate to help douse the flames of the Syrian conflict, especially when they do not see eye to eye on the causes or President Bashar al-Assad’s role in it.

As recently as August, during an interview with the pro-government Ulke TV, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan had harsh words for Iran about its support of Assad and his regime. Asserting that “Turkey had always stood by Iran, even at the risk of antagonizing the world,” Erdogan went on to say that he “would have expected Iran to have taken a different position on Syria,” clearly implying that Tehran should have adopted a position close to Turkey’s.

Trying to hit where it hurt, Erdogan recalled that Iran’s first supreme leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, had refused to meet with Syrian President Hafez al-Assad following the massacre of Sunnis in Hama in the 1980s by the Baathist regime. Not surprisingly, these remarks elicited angry editorials in the Iranian press, which recently labeled Erdogan a “warmonger” in its headlines, after he appeared to be goading the West to mount a military operation against Assad, while also indicating Turkey’s keenness to participate in any such operation.

In an op-ed in The Washington Post published on Sept. 20, Rouhani struck a conciliatory tone that contrasted sharply with Erdogan’s position and signaled that Tehran was prepared to play a role in facilitating dialogue between the Syrian government and the opposition: “The world has changed. International politics is no longer a zero-sum game but a multi-dimensional arena where cooperation and competition often occur simultaneously. Gone is the age of blood feuds. World leaders are expected to lead in turning threats into opportunities,” Rouhani wrote.

His remarks, although not intentionally, can also be taken as criticism of Erdogan’s one-track policy on Syria. Turkey's policy has been based single-mindedly on ousting Assad by force and an unwillingness to accommodate any notion of a diplomatic settlement that would have Assad seated at the negotiating table.

New York Times columnist Roger Cohen believes Ankara could learn from Tehran these days. Recalling, in an op-ed on Sept. 26 that Erdogan had started off with a “catchy dogma of ‘zero problems with neighbors,’” Cohen noted that Ankara now has “zero neighbors without problems,” with Syria the first among them. Cohen wrote, “Erdogan’s fulminations over the suppression of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the treatment of the Sunni opposition in Syria have the air of the unbalanced outbursts of a lonely man whose moderate Islamism has morphed into an immoderate fury. Perhaps Erdogan, whose indignation is not groundless, would benefit from the counsel of a neighbour, Iran. Its fast change has involved the sudden embrace of ‘heroic flexibility.’”

While Erdogan continues to “fulminate” on Syria and seems determined to hold tight to his view on Iran’s position on Syria, President Gul has emerged, yet again, as Turkey’s voice of reason in regard to the crisis. Talking to reporters on the plane en route to New York for the General Assembly gathering, Gul said that “Iran is an important country” and must “not be sidelined” in the search for a settlement in Syria.

“Iran is as concerned with Syria as Turkey is. We have had many discussions with Iran but have been unable to come to a common position until now. But you cannot sideline Iran. You cannot have a Geneva in that way. Iran has to be involved. Russia and Iran must definitely be involved,” Gul was quoted as saying.

Gul's reference to “Geneva” is the proposed “Geneva II” talks, under UN auspices, which the Erdogan government has been less than keen about since it accepts the Assad regime as an interlocutor. The Erdogan government has also expressed little enthusiasm in the past for seeing Iran involved in talks on Syria given Tehran’s unconditional support for Assad.

Erdogan’s position, however, which contrasts with Gul’s more flexible and realistic line, has increasingly become untenable, especially following the US-Russia agreement on a formula for Syria to hand over its chemical weapons. That agreement shifted the military option to the backburner.

Meanwhile Iran has also expressed strong interest in being present at the Geneva II talks: “If invited without any preconditions, Iran will participate in the conference in order to help resolve the Syrian crisis,” Rouhani was quoted by the Iranian media as saying during a meeting with Lakhdar Brahimi, the UN and Arab League special envoy for Syria, in New York on Sept. 26.

Despite the Erdogan government’s less than enthusiastic position to date, recent high-level discussions between Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and his new Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif, as well as the talks between Gul and Rouhani could result in more coordination between Ankara and Tehran on Syria now that the emphasis concerning the crisis has shifted to the diplomatic realm.

Turkey and Iran working together to end the crisis would undoubtedly have positive ramifications for the Middle East given the growing sectarian divide between Sunnis and Shiites. It is obvious, however, that for things to move in this direction, the Erdogan government will also have to show more flexibility than it has to date, the way Iran has ostensibly started to do. If this does not happen, Turkey could find itself in the ironic situation of being further isolated as the search for a settlement to the Syrian problem continues, not to mention other issues relating to the Middle East, while Iran becomes a proactive contributor in resolving the crisis.

There is a caveat, however. All of this assumes that Iran will be able to maintain the moderate line Rouhani is presenting today and avoid reverting to the radical positions that have resulted in its international isolation.

Because of Turkey's policies toward Syria and Egypt, Erdogan’s advisers are calling Turkey’s isolation in the Middle East “precious isolation,” implying a moral superiority to others. Iran under Rouhani, however, seems to be coming around to realizing that there is little “precious” when it comes to international isolation and that it is better to be part of the game as new international alignments take shape than to be a passive spectator.

Semih Idiz is a contributing writer for Al-Monitor’s Turkey Pulse. A journalist who has been covering diplomacy and foreign policy issues for major Turkish newspapers for 30 years, his opinion pieces can be followed in the English-language Hurriyet Daily News. His articles have also been published in The Financial Times, The Times of London, Mediterranean Quarterly and Foreign Policy magazine.

Can Turkey, Iran Cooperate on Syria? - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
 
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Iran is now in deep $hit trying to save her last front in the region. Turkey on the other side cant do much if this is about to keep Assad in place. When Assad vanish Iran is next, so please worry in how to keep your house in order before we come to you.

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Reconciliation with U.S. could bolster Iran's regional power, global standing

After years of championing its nuclear program as the national symbol, Tehran is changing direction. The talks have already boosted Iranian currency and backed Saudi Arabia into a corner.

By Zvi Bar'el | Sep. 28, 2013

“There was nothing new in Rohani’s remarks. He mostly repeated the words of his predecessor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,” said one analyst for Al-Arabia TV, during a broadcast just minutes after Iranian President Hassan Rohani spoke before the United Nations General Assembly. “Rohani’s speech was blunter and sharper than Barack Obama’s. Those looking for appeasement were disappointed,” said an Iranian expert living in Turkey, whose remarks were also broadcast on the same network.

The day after Rohani’s speech, the Saudi international newspaper, Asharq Al-Awsat was quick to publish two articles warning against falling into the trap set by Rohani and American foreign policy. “The Arab world should be prepared to sip from a cup of poison, this time from the hands of the U.S.,” wrote Eid Abu Shakra, as his colleague Yussuf Al-Dini warned against America’s “lowest common denominator” policy. America would be satisfied, Al-Dini says, simply by entering into dialogue with Iran, instead of actually trying to solve the problems that trouble the region, and specifically those troubling the “moderate Arab states.” Al-Dini fears that U.S.-Iranian dialogue will come at the expense of the Syrian and Lebanese people, and give Iran a renewed mandate to meddle in regional affairs.

“Rohani fever,” which has engulfed the world in general and the United States in particular, has shaken the Arab world, and especially Saudi Arabia, which sees itself as responsible not only for the Muslim holy sites, but also for defending the region from what it calls Iranian hegemonic ambitions. The rift between the two regional powers reached its peak over the Syria crisis and civil war, as Saudi Arabia has come out heavily in favor of the rebels.

Saudi Arabia, which has committed to aid in the sanctions against Iran by increasing its own oil production, thereby reducing dependency on Iranian oil, has become a lighting rod for criticism from Iran. Ever since Saudi troops entered Bahrain to quell anti-government protests, Tehran has not ceased condemning Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf States are also fearful of the increasing military cooperation between Iran and Iraq. The Iraqi defense minister visited Tehran this week, and met with Rohani’s deputy for security matters in order to discuss the military cooperation pact between the two nations, the basis of which was forged over the last year, and includes financial support, as well as joint training exercises. A military pact between two large states sitting on the Persian Gulf is a strategic threat, especially if Syria should join in the future.

Saudi Arabia has faced difficulty in trying to forge an opposing coalition. Egypt is mired in a crisis that prevents it from addressing regional affairs. Lebanon, which has begun to flex its muscles against Hezbollah, is still not quite a reliable state. Turkey is no longer wanted as an ally due to its undying support for the Muslim Brotherhood. As long as the United States was seen as a stable ally, and its rift with Iran continued to guarantee Saudi Arabia’s place as the ultimate regional partner, Riyadh has not had to face many foreign policy dilemmas. Now, the possible reconciliation between the United States and Iran – if it happens – could cause Saudi Arabia to rethink its positions.

Hints at a shifting in the balance of power was evident last week, when Jordanian King Abdallah’s calls for Rohani to make the pilgrimage to Mecca were published in Saudi Arabia. “Hajj diplomacy” is nothing new. In 2007, the Saudi king, for the first time in relations between Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic, called on then-President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to make the pilgrimage as well. It wasn’t the Iranian President’s first visit to the Saudi kingdom, but the invitation to make the Hajj carried with it a hidden message, particularly that the leader of the “Sunni world” sought to make peace with a representative of the “Shi’ite world.” That reconciliation was short lived, as Iran quickly reverted to being the nemesis of both Saudi Arabia and the other Arab states.

Inviting Rohani to make the hajj at this juncture is not aimed at religious reconciliation, but rather at testing the relationship between Tehran and Riyadh, against the backdrop of possible changes to U.S. policy.

Iran, for its part, has not made any bombastic policy declarations, unlike Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who was quick to adopt the slogan “no problems with the neighbors,” which fell through following the revolutions in various Arab states. In contrast, Iran is acting quietly, but apparently has larger goals in mind. Aside from the pressing need to throw off the burden of sanctions, rehabilitate its economy, create thousands of new jobs, halt inflation (which is at 45% these days) and fill its coffers after the oil money stopped coming in, Iran is seeking to dispose of the strategic threats it faces.

The term “heroic flexibility” coined by Iran’s spiritual leader, Ali Khamenei, which Rohani and Foreign Minister Javad Zarif make sure to repeat, reflects not only a shift in Iran’s diplomatic policy, but in strategy as well. If during the eight years of Ahmadinejad’s presidency, the nuclear program was a national symbol and unshakable foundation of Iran’s strength, it seems now that the dialogue to constrict that program could be used by Iran to achieve more regional influence and power.

This theory must still be proved. Proof will come when the dialogue begins between the P5+1 and Iran, regarding more transparency of and supervision over Iranian uranium enrichment facilities. Rohani himself stands at the head of the supporters for the deal in 2003, which proposed freezing Iran’s nuclear program, and examining Iran’s support of Hezbollah, and even considering relations with Israel in return for reconciliation with the United States, lifting of sanctions and an American commitment not to attack.

George W. Bush’s United States was euphoric after conquering Iraq, and did not even reply to the proposal, thinking that then-Iranian president Mohammad Khatami was too weak to actually implement the deal. The proposal, which was passed along by the Swiss embassy in Tehran, was supported by Khamenei, who also approved the temporary freeze of the nuclear program.

Even now, at least according to Rohani’s declarations, Iran is seeking to “close down” the nuclear issue, for a fair price, which would grant it a new international standing. His move has received support from Khamenei in the meantime, as reports from within Iran have indicated that the media has been instructed not to criticize the president. Even Rohani’s conservative opponents have expressed support for the idea of “heroic flexibility,” even as they express concerns over “misunderstanding of the term,” or as they try to explain that only the tactics, but not the strategies, have changed.

The pressing question now, as it was during Khatami’s presidency, is how far Khamenei will allow this to go, and whether or not the president is actually strong enough to implement the policies has says he favors. Without any concrete information, only the past can be used as an example, and the past teaches that in a pinch, Khamenei knows how to change his positions. For example, he proposed helping the United States during in the attack on Afghanistan; he quietly supported the U.S. action in Iraq; he called for action against Al-Qaida; he did not hesitate to publicly oppose Ahmadinejad; most recently, he did not oppose releasing political prisoners. Seven months ago, he declared “I’m a revolutionary – not a diplomat,” and now, he’s talking about “heroic flexibility.” In Iran, they’re already willing to believe in this new hope. The Rial has already jumped 25% in value against the dollar.

Reconciliation with U.S. could bolster Iran's regional power, global standing - Middle East Israel News | Haaretz
 
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Iran is now in deep $hit trying to save her last front in the region. Turkey on the other side cant do much if this is about to keep Assad in place. When Assad vanish Iran is next, so please worry in how to keep your house in order before we come to you.


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Turkish President Gül hails Obama-Rouhani phone call

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Turkish President Abdullah Gül greets crowd after the Frider Prayer, in Brooklyn Sept. 27. AA photo

Turkish President Abdullah Gül has hailed the historic phone conversation between U.S. President Barack Obama and Iran’s newly-elected leader, Hassan Rouhani, on Sept. 27 – the highest-level contact between the two countries since 1979.

“I am pleased to learn the phone call between President Obama and President Rohani,” Gül said, tweeting in English. “I have also been encouraging such dialogue for a long time. I hope this would be a good start.”

Obama confirmed during a press statement that he held a phone conversation with Rouhani, adding that both “expressed their mutual political will to rapidly solve the nuclear issue.”

Iran’s Presidency also confirmed the talks shortly after Obama’s statement.

Gül is continuing his tour in New York, where he attended the United Nations annual General Assembly.

INTERNATIONAL - Turkish President Gül hails Obama-Rouhani phone call
 
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I don't really understand your point, posting pics and videos with no emphases will make the reader goes into many directions.

Striking deal with the US or normalizing relationship wont help you here and that is something we are not against btw since Saudi Arabia and the rest of GCC state have much more influence in the region. Not to mention GCC control oil prices unless Iran can do the job by covering oil market something mathematically seems not to fit here considering Iran oil output is no way close to our or what we pump. When Assad vanish, Qatar will substitute Iran and russia gas to Europe. Another thing, If the IAEA failed to deal with your nuclear program then say Hi to Nuclear Saudi Arabia, simple as that. we have you by the hook my friend you and your american friend as well. Look up Saudi investment in the US/Europe and Asia.

If the US to left sanctions on Iran, you have a long way to catch. at the moment enjoy your economy being crumbled, you are already deprived anyway.
 
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I think that Iran's position on Syria will roughly stay the same in the future. The rebels are hostile towards Iran and any new government in Syria would also likely be unfriendly. So for Iran and Turkey to agree on Syria then I believe Turkey's position will need to change. With Turkey and Saudi Arabia disagreeing on the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt there is a chance that Turkey will look for new allies. Also a lot depends on how Iran-America relations will go in the future.
 
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Why GCC are always against or perform opposite action with Iran or vice versus?
 
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Byond chest thumping comments here, wind of change in Turkish regime understanding is visible. Turkish President welcoming reapproachment between Iran and US goes against house of Saud wishes. Turkish FM statement couple of days ago that Turkey sees "light en of the tunnel" Syria UN resolution carries clear signal that Turkey busy shifting its position from house of saud driven regime change to something more aligned with Iranian goal (and so is Russians and Chinese). Turkey awarding its missile defense contract to China and aspiring to join SCO clearly shows where Turkey is trying to go in geo political term and where it sees prospect of most benefit. This is not to say there is no contradiction in Turkish action but those need to be iron out over time.

All of Turkish, US, Russians, Chinese and Iranian major moves went against house of saud wish and activities. That is why saud al Faisal, saudi FM is crying wolf in NY on US reapproachment and on Syria UN resolution. Even US official position, media and HR stand on Bahrain -saudi joint venture of atrocities is shifting quickly. Gulf countries are rushing to east in Moscow and Beijing to mend fances that was created over house of saud driven terrorism project. Saudi isolation is well underway unless people of Saudi Arab do something to get rid of occupier of their country.
 
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Byond chest thumping comments here, wind of change in Turkish regime understanding is visible. Turkish President welcoming reapproachment between Iran and US goes against house of Saud wishes. Turkish FM statement couple of days ago that Turkey sees "light en of the tunnel" Syria UN resolution carries clear signal that Turkey busy shifting its position from house of saud driven regime change to something more aligned with Iranian goal (and so is Russians and Chinese). Turkey awarding its missile defense contract to China and aspiring to join SCO clearly shows where Turkey is trying to go in geo political term and where it sees prospect of most benefit. This is not to say there is no contradiction in Turkish action but those need to be iron out over time.

All of Turkish, US, Russians, Chinese and Iranian major moves went against house of saud wish and activities. That is why saud al Faisal, saudi FM is crying wolf in NY on US reapproachment and on Syria UN resolution. Even US official position, media and HR stand on Bahrain -saudi joint venture of atrocities is shifting quickly. Gulf countries are rushing to east in Moscow and Beijing to mend fances that was created over house of saud driven terrorism project. Saudi isolation is well underway unless people of Saudi Arab do something to get rid of occupier of their country.

Turkey allways supported talks between USA and Iran its nothing new, i dont think that this was against KSA or something.
Turkey trys to find the balance in relations between regional and global players.

Also defence missile contract has nothing to do with new orientation or something, Turkey will not leave NATO and it will not give up its seek to join EU. Even if we dont join EU its help us to amplify our democracy.
China just did the best offer and they won.
 
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Turkey allways supported talks between USA and Iran its nothing new, i dont think that this was against KSA or something.
Turkey trys to find the balance in relations between regional and global players.

Also defence missile contract has nothing to do with new orientation or something, Turkey will not leave NATO and it will not give up its seek to join EU. Even if we dont join EU its help us to amplify our democracy.
China just did the best offer and they won.


Well, as far as US reapproachment Turkey may see that beneficial for all but house of saud sees it otherwise.

And for missile defense contarct that is very strategic decision and have long term implication on Turkish part. But offcourse that in not all in geo political plane. That is whay I have mentioned there is still contradiction like Turkey being member of NATO. But in the long run, to get proper standing Tukey needs to iron out these contradctions.
 
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Well, as far as US reapproachment Turkey may see that beneficial for all but shouse of saud see it otherwise.

And for missile defense contarct that is very strategic decision and implication on Turkish part. But offcourse that in not all in geo political plane. That is whay I have mentioned there is still contradiction like Turkey being member of NATO. But in the long run, to get proper standing Tukey needs to iron out these contradctions.

But you know that this deal is not the first missile TOT deal with china?

We had allready a similar tot deal back in 80s with china.
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