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Can today's India compare to China around 15 years ago?

Before I entered this forum, I had no idea of indians' obsession of the india vs China thing.
Chinese media is all about (was and is) China vs Japan/EU/US thing,
about AI technology competition between China and US, things like that.

It terms of india, I think the only time i can hear about india is those unfortunate events like bus r***, gan** bodi**, railway derailments.

This PDF thing has been really broadening my horizon.
Then, followed by their comments, I began watching those youtube RSSers-made boasting videos.
They are really hilarious, but they are proud to show their ignorance.

Now, I finally understand, their worse-than-Sub-Sahara-Africa standards, are not caused by
british, italian, Congress, or likes, but by they themselves, the people.

If they really want inclusive development, my only advice is, change themselves and learn to walk first.


Life expectancy

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Oil
India imports almost all of its oil, shipping in around 4.2 million barrels per day (bpd) of crude in 2017
China's apparent oil demand is expected to rise 4.6% year on year to hit 600 million mt (12.05 million b/d) in 2018
In 2005, China consumed 6.6 million barrels per day (b/d) of oil, about one-third of the US level of 20.8 million b/d, and imported 3.0 million b/d

Natural gas imports

China 75,099,996,160 cubic meters
India 18,670,000,128 cubic meters

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=0&v=139&l=en
It seems that supa powas live in another world.
They don't buy, they don't use, they don't sell, but they love spending money for c**s.
 
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13 years? A extremely humble Indian, Another Indian guy argued with me here a while ago insisted that India is only 5 years behind India.
India started 12 years late obviously ,there is bound to be difference,China being a communist country ,things will be done fast as no one needs to be answered,but in India it will take it's own sweet time,but we can still post our Winnie the Pooh without any fear
 
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India started 12 years late obviously ,there is bound to be difference,China being a communist country ,things will be done fast as no one needs to be answered,but in India it will take it's own sweet time,but we can still post our Winnie the Pooh without any fear

It begs to question why the Chinese gov. has any incentive to improve the live of hundreds of millions of its citizens if they don't have to answer to anyone and anyone who dares to question gets crushed by tanks?

On the other hand, India with its demoncracy, which requires the gov. to be accountable to its citizens has failed so miserably.
 
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It begs to question why the Chinese gov. has any incentive to improve the live of hundreds of millions of its citizens if they don't have to answer to anyone and anyone who dares to question gets crushed by tanks?

On the other hand, India with its demoncracy, which requires the gov. to be accountable to its citizens has failed so miserably.

Chinese Communist Party does have incentive to improve the life of its citizen as you can crush few rebellions by tanks but not all on the other hand a kept poor vote bank favors political system in India that is how so called fake corrupt gandhi dynasty rules India for 60 years
 
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Indians always compare it with today's China over everything, while there is virtually nothing comparable. But if we compare today's India with China around 15±3 years ago, are they comparable then?
Well, there is a hot debate on quora.com about 2017's India vs China in 2004. https://www.quora.com/India’s-economy-is-2-trillion-dollars-which-China-had-in-2004-but-I-dont-see-the-same-living-standard-infrastructure-in-India-as-China-had-in-2004-What-should-we-correct
It seems even those more practical, modest and humble Indians are very confident on this comparison, let alone those ignorant and arrogant ones mentioned above. But the harsh reality is that in terms of development, India can hardly match China in the early 2000s.
As the saying goes: seeing is believing. My way of judging things would always be primarily based on what I see, either in person or from videos (not the propaganda ones, but filmed by ordinary people). Statistics comes secondary, and can be used as support. Let's first see some videos to get a direct impression, and then look into some apparent statistics:

Shenzhen around 2006:
AC buses, decent cars, office buildings, the degree of orderliness, we can not find such level of development anywhere in today's India.
Same is true for:
Shanghai in 2002:
Shanghai in 2000:

Besides urban development, lets compare the infrastructure like railways:
We have the magnet train since 2004:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_maglev_train
And a bunch of self developed high speed EMUs like:
200km/h class "Blue Arrow" EMU (entered service since 2001):
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJJ1型电力动车组
1280px-China_Railways_DJJ1.jpg

270 km/h "China Star" EMU (entered service since 2005, and later cancelled due to development new generation CRH trains)
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJJ2型电力动车组
China_Star.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_iOqa5g-Q
These are not seen in today's India either.

Expressway:
China had over 19,000 km length of expressways in 2001, ranked 2nd in the world, while India has less than 2,000 km today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_of_China
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1016/j.polsoc.2012.01.007

Car sales:
Total auto sales number of China in 2003 was 4,39 million, while this number for India in 2017 is 4.02 million. The numbers look similar, but let's take a closer look at what kind of cars were sold:
http://xxw3441.blog.163.com/blog/static/753836242017267391228/
http://news.bitauto.com/hao/wenzhang/650270
China in 2003:
No.1 VW Jetta: 143,121 units
No.2 VW Santana: 122,663 units
No.3 VW Passat: 122,445 units
No.4 Tianjin Xiali: 96,180 units
No.5 VW Santana2000: 92,892 units
No.6 Buick Regal: 89,988 units
No.7 Honda Accord: 80,450 units

No.8 VW Bora: 78,068 units
No.9 Changan Alto: 61,302 units
No.10 Audi A6: 53,108 units
http://auto.sohu.com/2004/04/09/50/article219785057.shtml

As you can see, except Alto, all are serious cars, as you have already seen from the Chinese city videos above.
India in 2017:
1. Maruti Suzuki Alto – 257,732 units
2. Maruti Suzuki Swift Dzire – 225,043 units
3. Maruti Suzuki Baleno – 177,209 units
4. Maruti Suzuki Swift – 167,371 units
5. Maruti Suzuki Wagon R – 166,814 units
6. Hyundai Grand i10 – 154,787 units
7. Maruti Suzuki Vitara Brezza – 140,945 units
8. Hyundai Elite i20 – 134,103 units
9. Hyundai Creta – 105,484 units
10. Maruti Suzuki Celerio – 100,860 units

https://www.carwale.com/news/highest-selling-cars-of-india-in-2017/
If you are interested, do check what kind of little midget cars are sold and running on Indian streets...
And let's compare the luxury car sales:
For India, in 2017, all the luxury brand cars combined sold less than our Audi A6 model alone (53,108 units), let alone the BMW, Mercedes-Benz and other Audi models.
India's luxury car sales in 2017:
"Continuing last year’s trend, Mercedes-Benz has retain top position by selling 15,300 units in 2017, an improvement of around 16% from the previous year. BMW group (including Mini) too managed to register a splendid growth of 25%, up from 7,500 units in 2016 to 9,800 units in 2017."
https://www.rushlane.com/luxury-car-sales-for-2017-12259854.html

In terms of GDP per capita, today's India should be comparable with 2005's China,(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita) But even with the factors such as inflation taken into consideration, India's low purchasing power like buying cars are just unbelievable, for example, in the early 2000s, cars like VW Passat , Honda Accord, and Buick Regal cost around 40,000 USD; While Audi A6 cost more than 60,000 USD in China. Even VW jetta or Santana costs around 15,000 USD, (the exchange rate then is around 1USD=8CNY), but still we saw significant sales for these models; but in today's India, people can only afford those Suzuki and Hyundai little midget cars; any cars with a price tag above USD 20,000, can hardly achieve any significant sales. Very weird indeed.

Based on these simple and apparent facts, although Indians talk loudly and boast hard all over the internet about their development and growth, such as SP2012, the reality is a little bit bitter for them, and about their true level of development, what do you think?
India is a superpowa, China is not . China cannot compare to india.
Jay Chou hind!

This is what I observed as well. The very low consuming power of their people shows everything (can not afford slightly more expensive cars even compare to our 2003 level): their GDP is fake! And their low industrial and agricultural outputs again confirm this.
https://www.quora.com/Is-India-faking-its-GDP-data-considering-that-its-agricultural-GDP-in-dollars-in-2016-was-nearly-the-same-as-China-in-2005-But-is-the-agricultural-production-only-1-3-of-China’s-in-2005
Because the west doesn't feel India is a threat to them so their news outlet praise India instead of exposing their fake numbers. I don't think the west will expose them as long as they remain a good doggie dog. In the eyes of the west india is a good dog to be used
 
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It begs to question why the Chinese gov. has any incentive to improve the live of hundreds of millions of its citizens if they don't have to answer to anyone and anyone who dares to question gets crushed by tanks?

On the other hand, India with its demoncracy, which requires the gov. to be accountable to its citizens has failed so miserably.
Chinese government never used tank to crush any citizen. This is a famous rumor used by western media to defame the CCP.
 
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Chinese Communist Party does have incentive to improve the life of its citizen as you can crush few rebellions by tanks but not all on the other hand a kept poor vote bank favors political system in India that is how so called fake corrupt gandhi dynasty rules India for 60 years

What incentive does the Chinese gov. have when it can loot without being accountable and any dissent can be silenced as Indians claim incessantly?

BTW, the crushing with tank was a hyperbole to mock your argument.

Chinese government never used tank to crush any citizen. This is a famous rumor used by western media to defame the CCP.

I know, what I said is a hyperbole to question the logic of Indian argument.
 
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What incentive does the Chinese gov. have when it can loot without being accountable and any dissent can be silenced as Indians claim incessantly?

BTW, the crushing with tank was a hyperbole to mock your argument.



I know, what I said is a hyperbole to question the logic of Indian argument.
There is zero logic in terms of 82 people.
 
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13 years? A extremely humble Indian, Another Indian guy argued with me here a while ago insisted that India is only 5 years behind India.

Please. That's also considered humble. I've argued with another poster who claimed that India will reach the HDI of France and the US by 2030. And he's not a troll, he genuinely believes in it.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-...ry-by-2030-jaitley.442280/page-9#post-9903983

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-...y-by-2030-jaitley.442280/page-10#post-9910063
 
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Gotta love that stupid and nonsenical excuse by the Indian upvoted by all the other trash barricading public sites like Quora and Wikipedia with "vedic facts" seriously trying to blame it on internal inflation and low production on higher demand and ranting about using "biased pk" sources while posting with a Indian name and Indian school background.
 
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