What's new

Can Pakistan keep lid on nukes?

Nasir

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Dec 6, 2005
Messages
185
Reaction score
0
Interesting article about current situation in Pakistan. This is really something we should worry about. Pakistan can become a threat to world if Islamic radicals do come to power, and its most likely that they will get most of the seats through spreading propaganda, like Mullahs have been doing so far.

Can Pakistan keep lid on nukes?

WASHINGTON — While the United States struggles to rein in Iran's nuclear ambitions, a more frightening nightmare is simmering right now in Pakistan, where a weak but nuclear-armed government is being buffeted by radical Islamist influences, terrorism and several bloody insurgencies.

Among all the perils the U.S. faces, "Pakistan is the most horrific and the hardest one to do anything about," said Charles D. Furguson, a senior nuclear proliferation expert at the Council on Foreign Relations who served as a naval officer on a nuclear missile submarine.

The nation does not have enough troops to speedily and simultaneously "lock down" all of Pakistan's nuclear weapons sites if that became necessary because of civil strife, an attempted coup or a terrorist attack, officials and outside analysts said.
The U.S. president's only option might be nuclear — a desperate attempt to destroy Pakistan's weapons rather than risk their falling into terrorists' hands and ultimately detonating in an American city.
"To date we don't have anything that can get there quickly, except for a nuclear weapon," Assistant Defense Secretary Peter C.W. Flory told a panel of the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 29. He was speaking generally about targeting terrorists in possession of nuclear weapons, not about Pakistan in particular.
By "quickly," officials mean one to four hours. "For that small, highly important set of targets ... a goal we have set is to be able to address those targets in one hour anyplace" with missiles, Marine Gen. James E. Cartwright, commander of U.S. strategic missiles and bombers, told the senators.

Sensitive issue

Pakistan's loss of control over some or all of its nuclear weapons has been quietly discussed and war-gamed at senior levels in the Defense Department. But given the political sensitivity of discussing possible armed intervention in an allied country, Pentagon officials declined to answer questions. A spokeswoman, Lt. Col. Tracy O'Grady-Walsh, said, "Unclassified answers do not exist."
Though Pakistan is considered a close ally in the war on terrorism, its military and secret intelligence service have worked closely with radical Islamist insurgents operating in Kashmir, and with al-Qaida and the Taliban in next-door Afghanistan prior to Sept. 11, 2001. Starting that fall, the United States began using Pakistan as a major base for the war in Afghanistan and demanded that Pakistan cut its ties with Islamist groups.

Musharraf's dilemma

Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 coup, has tried since 2001 to gingerly rein in domestic Islamists who are violently opposed to Pakistan's cooperation with the United States. Musharraf's dilemma, analysts said, is to respond to U.S. pressure without provoking an open revolt.

Pakistan announced in May 1998 that it had successfully conducted five nuclear tests. It is thought to have between 30 and 52 nuclear bombs and missile warheads, according to data compiled by the Natural Resources Defense Council, a nonprofit research organization in Washington.

Pakistan is not as unstable as it sounds, said Ashley J. Tellis, who recently directed strategic planning for South Asia in the White House and was a senior adviser to the U.S. ambassador to India. The Pakistani military has tight control over its nuclear weapons and it is "highly unlikely" that anything could crack that control, said Tellis, currently at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.
But the risk must be considered, because failure could mean a "stealthy" terrorist nuclear attack on the United States, said John Gordon, a retired Army officer who is a strategic analyst at RAND Corp., a nonprofit think tank that works primarily for the Pentagon.

"If you fail to secure nuclear weapons in a country that may be torn by a civil war, coup attempt or insurgency, you fail massively," Gordon said.
There has been little public discussion of the issue, he said, because "it is painful to think through a problem like this. The nuclear thing is still in a really hard-to-do box."
According to analyses by operations experts, it would require tens of thousands of American troops to "kick in the door" and seize Pakistan's nuclear sites. The United States has neither the troops nor the airlift capacity to get to Pakistan within days, let alone the hours required in a crisis.

"We lack the military capability," said Bruce Nardulli, a specialist in ground warfare at RAND. "These sites would have to be brought down and secured, locked down, simultaneously, in the middle of a huge conflict and among a hostile population. You'd need an army much larger than what you have today."

Pakistan's nuclear weapons are believed to be kept, disassembled, at six missile and air bases. Other sites would have to be guarded in a crisis, including the nuclear reactor facility at Joharabad and the Kahuta uranium enrichment facility in northern Pakistan, which is believed to be producing plutonium.

Finding and securing such sites is a mission shared among the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the U.S. Special Operations Command and the U.S. Strategic Command under Cartwright. It requires fresh and precise intelligence, something the United States lacked in Iraq and elsewhere, U.S. officials acknowledge.

"We've been surprised before," Flory said in his Senate testimony.

The U.S. Special Operations Command declined a request for interviews. But others think an operation to secure Pakistan's nuclear weapons is beyond the reach of a few teams of commandos.

U.S. intervention could be complicated by opposition from elements of Pakistan's army, which is slightly larger than the U.S. Army. Pakistan's military is considered highly professional and well equipped, and has well developed air defenses that would make a U.S. air assault or paratroop landing risky.

"We'd be swallowed up in that country," said George Friedman, author of "America's Secret War" and founder of Strategic Forecasting Inc., a private intelligence firm.
"We'd have tremendous difficulty occupying it with speed, we'd have tremendous difficulty supplying our forces — there are large cities and terrifically bad terrain, and we don't have enough troops," Friedman said.

"I can't think of a worse place to fight."

Problems like this never arose during the Cold War because both the United States and Soviet Union had secure nuclear forces and because each held the other in the thrall of mutual deterrence: If one side attacked, it would be vulnerable to a devastating nuclear retaliation.

But if Pakistan's nuclear weapons got loose, "deterrence" would be useless. Whom would the United States threaten with destruction?

If a nuclear bomb were detonated in Manhattan, "You'd have to know, did it happen with the approval of the [Pakistani] government, or was it a rogue within the government, or was it stolen?" Furguson said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002918442_paknukes08.html
 
.
This is nothing but usual mud-slinging by a journalist who couldn't find any interesting topic to write on. Everyone knows that Pakistan's nuclear assets are secure. Pakistan has had nukes since 1990 if not earlier. If since then (and it has been 16 yrs) Mullahs and/or radicals couldn't get their hands on nukes; what makes this gentleman sure about them doing it anytime in the future? Pakistan's public always votes for moderates in elections. The fact that Mullahs are in power these days is due to the last elections being rigged by the Musharraf administration to keep PPP and PML-Nawaz out of power holding and/or sharing. What Musharraf's strategists failed to keep in mind was that shaking hands with Mullahs (once again after 1980s) wasn't the smartest move at this juncture in the highly volatile geo-political world of nowadays.

And everyone knows that more chances of nukes falling in to terrorist hands lie in Russia or former Soviet states; where there are literally hundreds of gangs and mafias who deal with sophisticated weaponry left to rot around by the Soviets when their homeland disintegrated in to separate nations. These mafias have more links and money to smuggle that 'one' bomb to anywhere in the world and cause confusion and misunderstanding among certain countries. Anyone remember watching the movie, The Sum of All Fears? That, my friends, is a 'very' realistic theory of how easily terrorists can gain nukes and Pakistan would NOT even feature in their procurement list.
 
.
Sid, i do agree that russia poses a high risk in N bmb proliferating into the 'wrong hands',but that doesnt solve the issue that the author has put forward.

This has been discussed and written earlier also,so this in so single offshoot article.

Pakistan may or may not vote for radicals,that no problem.A voted govt of pakistan wont be able to proliferate this to the AQ or taleban as there will be more frenzied monitoring by the west on pakistans nuclear est.

But the point is what happens if Mushraf is assasinated?or thrown out opf power by a disgruntled army general?Does pakistan have a institution which can stand up and protect these bombs?
 
.
I'm sure you can see things for yourself and do NOT need spoon-feeding. Musharraf has been there for 7 yrs now. Your arguements about 'what if' this happens or that happens are useless because the geo-political world does not function on 'ifs', 'buts', 'hopes', etc as policies are not based on such abstract notions.
 
.
Sid said:
This is nothing but usual mud-slinging by a journalist who couldn't find any interesting topic to write on. Everyone knows that Pakistan's nuclear assets are secure. Pakistan has had nukes since 1990 if not earlier. If since then (and it has been 16 yrs) Mullahs and/or radicals couldn't get their hands on nukes; what makes this gentleman sure about them doing it anytime in the future? Pakistan's public always votes for moderates in elections. The fact that Mullahs are in power these days is due to the last elections being rigged by the Musharraf administration to keep PPP and PML-Nawaz out of power holding and/or sharing. What Musharraf's strategists failed to keep in mind was that shaking hands with Mullahs (once again after 1980s) wasn't the smartest move at this juncture in the highly volatile geo-political world of nowadays.

And everyone knows that more chances of nukes falling in to terrorist hands lie in Russia or former Soviet states; where there are literally hundreds of gangs and mafias who deal with sophisticated weaponry left to rot around by the Soviets when their homeland disintegrated in to separate nations. These mafias have more links and money to smuggle that 'one' bomb to anywhere in the world and cause confusion and misunderstanding among certain countries. Anyone remember watching the movie, The Sum of All Fears? That, my friends, is a 'very' realistic theory of how easily terrorists can gain nukes and Pakistan would NOT even feature in their procurement list.

Not only that but our nukes are not assemble and are in a "ready to assemble at a moment's notice" condition. We only have 5-20 assemble nukes while the rest is just parts which only a small number of scientist know how to assemble. They should really be worrying about Russian nukes since it was estimated that after the collapse of the USSR there was 3000 nukes missing from the Soviet stockpile from which Russia was to inherit. Many of these have been retrieved from the former soviet states in a few years but, experts say there are still a lot of nukes missing. The West has known for the past 15-20 years that Pakistan could make a nuke in a matter of days and have a test in a matter of weeks this came to mind in the 1998 tests which came to no surprise. :p
 
.
One kilo enriched uranium seized in Meghalaya

Press Trust of India

Guwahati, April 12, 2006

One kilogram of enriched uranium, suspected to have been stolen from a government facility in Meghalaya, has been seized from three men trying to sell it, police sources said on Wednesday.

A packet containing the uranium bore the marking 'Department of Atomic Energy, Atomic Minerals Directorate for Exploration and Research Centre, North Eastern Region, Shillong', the sources said.

Two more markings on the packet, 'explosive number 2000/LG/ 27-D' and 'B/337 Enriched Uranium', indicated that the substance was high grade uranium used as fuel at nuclear power stations.

Three men, who had earlier asked for crores of rupees for the uranium, were approached by police personnel posing as customers on Tuesday. The men, after bargaining, agreed to sell the uranium for Rs 50 lakh, the sources said.

The three persons, identified as Dhiren Bharali, Krishna Das and Nirod Das, were arrested and booked under the Explosives Act. A case was registered against them at the Panbazar police station.

The uranium has been sent to a forensic laboratory for tests, the sources added.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1673806,0008.htm
 
.
US scientist did deliver nukes to Russia ones. Now US wants to deliver nuclear technology to India without looknig at NPT. We never hear about a nuclear bomb in "zionist" hands. Frankly... I don't see much difference between Israel and Iran. Both are pretty dangerous. While US blocked UN sanciots over a hundred times to protect Israel no ones cares about the Iranian soul. They even debate about using tactical nukes... No one cares about millions of peopel getting killed or radiated. But at the same time if one Israeli is killed they all accept a few Palestinians (most of the time innocent) being slaughtered. Double morale.
 
.
Sid said:
I'm sure you can see things for yourself and do NOT need spoon-feeding. Musharraf has been there for 7 yrs now. Your arguements about 'what if' this happens or that happens are useless because the geo-political world does not function on 'ifs', 'buts', 'hopes', etc as policies are not based on such abstract notions.

Then who are policies framed,Sid?

How is that even after three attempted killing of mushraff that u r still not ready to discuss this scenario.

If Mushraff gets killed ,then who assumes power?Will he have the support of the politicial parties and ever powerfull PA.
 
.
Munir said:
US scientist did deliver nukes to Russia ones. Now US wants to deliver nuclear technology to India without looknig at NPT. We never hear about a nuclear bomb in "zionist" hands. Frankly... I don't see much difference between Israel and Iran. Both are pretty dangerous. While US blocked UN sanciots over a hundred times to protect Israel no ones cares about the Iranian soul. They even debate about using tactical nukes... No one cares about millions of peopel getting killed or radiated. But at the same time if one Israeli is killed they all accept a few Palestinians (most of the time innocent) being slaughtered. Double morale.

Palestinan issue and iranian issue are totally different issues.

Iran has already started its dangerous talks of wiping out and the right to existance of Israel.And they are still years away from getting a bomb.

Israel has had the bomb for many years and that too good number of them (as est) ,still such wild barabric rhetoric never emenated from israel.

Now thats a diff.

Pakistan has N weapons how many times have u or nayone seen mushraff saying abt annihilating India or nayother country.

iran is a different case than israel,India,Paksitan or any other nuclear state.

I pity forthe people,but they are a democratic country and they elected this guy not so long ago when he had made his intentions clear.So its pretty much their choice and willingness to thread this thin and dangerous line.
 
.
O please... .

Iran said that because how they treat the Palestinians. The arabs are not the cause of millions of jews getting killed. Why do they have to suffer for that? They got it by paying Brittish. Now they robbed some more. You do know the way they treat Palestinian? As usual you will be mourning the death of one single zionist while they kill Palestinians at alarming rate without evidence or logic.

Iran is not wiping out Israel but Israel attacked Iran in the past. Osirac? Did Iran do something? They US and Israel helped Irac with biochemical weapons and intellegence. Did they do something in return? Israel attacks not only in foreign countries (Mossad) but also terrorizes the Palestinians. I don't see Iran doind the same. I don't see Iran skipping so many UN rules... God... I feel sorry to react but alteast get objective. There is no good Iran or Israel.

If you really think that democracy is free and fair then wake up. Take the other pill. It is a world with greed for wealth and power. There is no good or bad. But listening 24/7 to oneside does make you deaf.
 
. .

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom