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Oh you think so, I "youtube" a video to show that we chinese want to have our own indigenouty instead of alway follow other's tails...even in animation making...we want to have our fun idea instead of procure and inspire western Ideas...more and more we evil chineses want to do things our way with chinese originality as possible: J-10, j-20, WZ-10...and more....of course we reserve the option of "copy" if we don't have better altenatives...we're pragmatic people after all, " black cat...white cat..as long as it can catch mouse..it's good cat" :lol:
We follow a different approach .
We never compromise on quality(as of now) . Ex Mki,MRCA,Brahmos,P8I,C17....
We never cheat and copy illegally, we have certain standards and moral values . Ex Jaguar,Mig 21,Su30.,Brahmos...
We have many options in defense industry, we can chose the best weapon for us . Ex MRCA,MRTA,Submarine deals,Missile deals..
We are not a country whom no country is willing to sell any weapon or technology . Ex MRCA,Nuclear Deal,Australia lifting ban on Uranium ....
 
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We follow a different approach .
We never compromise on quality(as of now) . Ex Mki,MRCA,Brahmos,P8I,C17....

Quality? Everything is foreign, including Brahmos, so what's there to boast?

We never cheat and copy illegally, we have certain standards and moral values . Ex Jaguar,Mig 21,Su30.,Brahmos...

No, India tried an failed.

We have many options in defense industry, we can chose the best weapon for us . Ex MRCA,MRTA,Submarine deals,Missile deals..

True, so?

We are not a country whom no country is willing to sell any weapon or technology . Ex MRCA,Nuclear Deal,Australia lifting ban on Uranium ....

Doesn't that say that no one takes India seriously?
 
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Quality? Everything is foreign, including Brahmos, so what's there to boast?
Everything is foreign? u r kidding right. Right now i m not interested to give the list of indian weapons, infact u can go through to get details anywhere in net.
Brahmos is JV between russia and India. i know more about Brahmos than you my friend since i am working in that project.


No, India tried an failed.
example?:disagree:



True, so?
bad days for our enemies:P


Doesn't that say that no one takes India seriously?
No, everyone knows india is honest, tats the reason.
 
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Quality? Everything is foreign, including Brahmos, so what's there to boast?
What if it's foreign, will a BrahMos missile think Hey, Sino-Russia relations are developing and it's not proper for me to hit them?

No, India tried an failed.
Usual mouth fart without any backup claim


True, so?
SO? You said "So"? Cant you understand that we have a vary wide range to choose from? Missiles from Russia, Avionics from Israel, submarines from france/Germany, force multipliers from US. We can select the BEST from every country and maintain a military which not only has quality but variety as well.

Doesn't that say that no one takes India seriously?
Oh...you understood it in that way?? Go to your local school and ask any kindergarten student the meaning of what you quoted.
 
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There is no point to argue because you Indians already have mind set, I can even dry my mouth up..at the end, you all will claim that J-20 is nothing but steal and copy…and don’t make me laugh that India could have easily copied Su-30 MKi, first you dare not because you don’t have the gut to do so, second you just can’t …so just playing innocent by saying that you Indians are honest…bottom line you India couldn’t handle western sanction and pressure..so just stick your head in the sand :agree:

Don’t flattered yourself…India has not image in this world...the only two words to describe India is slum & poverty, you receive nice words because other countries need contracts so suck up with few nices words are good enought to milk India...simple as that. You Indians are just kids that people give some candies and you guys start to jump up and think that you're so admired aroud the world. :tup:

We have not denied that we need some advance weapons from outside…we only want to pay for TOT but not to buy large quantities such as India and we certainly not want to be milked as the way they milk India such as C-17 cost as tipical example.
The per unit cost being charged from India by the US for the C-17 is USD 410 million whereas it is sold to Australia at a price of USD 300 million per aircraft.
India, US C-17 aircraft deal delayed over price issue - Brahmand.com



I don’t undertand what you tried to get at...but worry more about that foreign spare parts are always available…because no one needs to blow Indian's aircraft…but aircraft of India will automatically nailed down on ground



We Chinese are indeed very happy that you keep buying…the more you buy the more we smile, your wish is our command…we couldn’t ask for more…and we evil Chinese appreciate that Indians are honest citizens…and behave that way, don’t steal technologies from other for the sake of your India’s Image :lol:

Im agreed with most of your arguments for India, even if Im an Indian origin. what will exactly happen to India and its Image if they get caught with the trap of Western policy makers, Indians may get an idea about it from your this post. This is one of the most impressive post I ever read on different forums, during last over 10 years. a very good post to show floor to Indian internet warriors, congrats :tup:
 
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Typhoon, Rafale no match for China’s MMRCA
SUMAN SHARMA New Delhi | 20th Nov
Typhoon, Rafale no match for China

After getting very much impressed with post 52, I would love to say that J20 will be the best aircraft in the world, better than F22 & PAK FA/ FGFA but, Im reading about superiorities of F35 for more than 12 years and still it is in development, still need to be improved. While US and Russia have good history of arm manufacturing than China. Most of the journalists don’t have good knowledge of arm industry and they write whatever few tell them. talking about capabilities of 5th gen aircrafts is foolish right now ……………

But one thing I would add that proposed Chinese J10B is very likely to be fit in comparison with most of the existing 4++ aircrafts. and also, none of 5th gen could still be fully developed except F22 which is an old aircraft and we cant understand how old 5th gen F22 is good but US couldn’t be sure of the capabilities of its new 5th gen F35? So by next 4-5 years, China will have one of the best 4++ aircraft, J10B, with developing 5th gen aircraft J20 along with US and Russia+India

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program has some negative issues that must be watched in the coming years.

Initial Operating Capability (IOC) for USAF IOC's has been pushed to 2018.

http://www.f-16.net/news_article4462.html

September 7, 2011 (by Eric L. Palmer) - An unnamed source stated that earlier this year a presentation was given by an industry air combat threat assessment expert to defense officials of a NATO country which showed that the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) would not survive air combat against threats it is likely to see in its alleged service lifetime.

Part of the presentation showed a computer simulation which calculated that the F-35 would be consistently defeated by the Russian-made SU-35 fighter aircraft. The defeat calculated by the scenario also showed the loss of the F-35's supporting airborne-early warning and air-to-air refueling aircraft.

The technology in the SU-35 will also see its way into growth upgrades of other SU-fighter variants used by countries like Indonesia, India, Malaysia and Vietnam. Chinese variants of these aircraft should also see similar growth capability in the coming years.

The Russian-made T-50, PAK-FA low-observable fighter now in development is expected to be much more lethal than the SU-35 in air-to-air combat against the U.S. made F-35. The SU-35 and T-50 made appearances this year at the Russian aerospace industry air show known as MAKS2011. Both aircraft will include sensors and networking which can minimise the effects of the limited low-observable qualities of the F-35. They will also have higher performance and carry more air-to-air weapons than an F-35.

The F-35 defeat briefing runs counter to the claims by the Lockheed Martin corporation that the F-35 will be a go-it-alone aircraft in high threat situations (brief to Israel, 2007) or that it will be “8 times” more effective than “legacy” aircraft in air-to-air combat.

In 2009, then U.S. Secretary of Defense Mr. Gates was successful in halting additional production of the F-22 which is the only aircraft that can take on emerging threats. His reasoning was that the F-35—built in numbers—would be sufficient to fill any strategic gaps in air power deterrence for the U.S. and its allies.

There was never any robust strategic study performed by the U.S. Department of Defense to verify Gates theory.

Since Gates endorsement of the troubled F-35 program, it has continued with its history of cost blow-outs and delay and is unlikely to see a large number built.

If Gates is wrong, he will have helped put the the air power deterrent capability of the U.S. and its allies at significant risk in the coming years. According to the assumptions of the joint operational requirement of the F-35 signed off on in 2000, the F-35 was not supposed to take on high-end threats. The requirement assumed that there would be hundreds of combat-ready F-22s. With the F-22 program ending, the maximum number of combat-ready F-22s will be somewhere between 120 and 140.

Independent air combat analysts from Air Power Australia have also stated that the F-35 is not capable of facing high end threats; that what will be delivered (if it ever arrives) will be obsolete; and that the F-35 is not affordable or sustainable.

A recent briefing by Australian Defence officials, while showing support for the F-35 program, admitted that it will cost more to operate than the F-18 Hornet. A separate U.S. Navy study also agreed. This is counter to the claim by Lockheed Martin, that the F-35 will be cheaper to operate than existing aircraft it is planned to replace.

In 2012, Australian Defence will decide to put down money for its first order of F-35s or to go ahead with a “plan-B” that could include purchase of 24 more F-18 Super Hornets made by Boeing. The Super Hornet is also unable to take on high-end threats in the Pacific Rim region in the coming years.

http://www.f-16.net/news_article4416.html

The independent Australian airpower thinktank the Williams Foundation has called for Australia’s acquisition of the F-35 JSF to be delayed to allow the aircraft to mature, in light of recent news that IOC (initial operating capability) for the US Air Force may now be as late as 2018.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2011/03/delay-jsf-purchase-williams-foundation/
 
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After getting very much impressed with post 52, I would love to say that J20 will be the best aircraft in the world, better than F22 & PAK FA/ FGFA but, Im reading about superiorities of F35 for more than 12 years and still it is in development, still need to be improved. While US and Russia have good history of arm manufacturing than China. Most of the journalists don’t have good knowledge of arm industry and they write whatever few tell them. talking about capabilities of 5th gen aircrafts is foolish right now ……………

But one thing I would add that proposed Chinese J10B is very likely to be fit in comparison with most of the existing 4++ aircrafts. and also, none of 5th gen could still be fully developed except F22 which is an old aircraft and we cant understand how old 5th gen F22 is good but US couldn’t be sure of the capabilities of its new 5th gen F35? So by next 4-5 years, China will have one of the best 4++ aircraft, J10B, with developing 5th gen aircraft J20 along with US and Russia+India
So you cannot understand how 'Old' 5th generation F-22 is good and you are supposed to have been following defense stories from the nineties.
People like you and I at most at best can only speculate about the capabilities of the plane you mentioned but we will never know the entire truth about any of them.
But even from the data that is available from some source or the other we can easily deduce that western and/or ruso tech is still way ahead of the Chineese.
They are catching up fast but the others aren't just sitting idle.
Btw what makes you think that your J20 will be the best jet
and J10 will be one of the best 4++ jet if it is one.
 
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Quality? Everything is foreign, including Brahmos, so what's there to boast?
:toast_sign:
we are not just assembling the things like mki and mrca but we get tot for that . Clear example of we buying quality weapons unlike copied quantity stuff . And kid to mention Brahmos is a JV and we are making mki Indigenously .


No, India tried an failed.
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Again kid , u should know that India is a sincere student and will never copy for marks and we wont show off on quantity as i told in above point that quality is preferred over quantity . Coming to the other student he was debarred for copying and he prints the xerox copies of what he had and also claims the black and white cheap xerox copies to be much better than the original colored one.


True, so?
:hitwall:
we can use the best weapon against enemy

Doesn't that say that no one takes India seriously?
U mean selling nuclear delivery mechanisms and nuclear fuel?:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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So you cannot understand how 'Old' 5th generation F-22 is good and you are supposed to have been following defense stories from the nineties.
People like you and I at most at best can only speculate about the capabilities of the plane you mentioned but we will never know the entire truth about any of them.
But even from the data that is available from some source or the other we can easily deduce that western and/or ruso tech is still way ahead of the Chineese.
They are catching up fast but the others aren't just sitting idle.
Btw what makes you think that your J20 will be the best jet
and J10 will be one of the best 4++ jet if it is one.

Sir, I generally talk to those people with whom I have shared ideas during last over 10 years, many on different forums also, and we all talk how we all ‘knew’ that F35 is the best while this aircraft may even be kicked, not impossible, read my post 70. Even designers of this aircrafts believe that they would now back from beginning and start again. The reason why its IOC is now extended to 2018, 'till now'. And as F22 is also a 5th gen stealth aircraft developed in early 90s by US, its ‘highly’ likely that it would also have the same problems as US's new F35, (its just that F35 is single engined and F22 has dual engine otherwise both are same type aircrafts). And here, even if Im a fan of PAK FA, we can’t guarantee Russia will also not face the similar problems, lets wait for few years, as I have read a lot about F35 and yes US’s arm industry isn’t backward to Russia. And about J20, as China just entered in development process of this fifth gen aircrafts, I may say J20 will be the best as, as per my experience with JSF/ F35, how it matters if it just doesn’t make sense to comment on under development aircrafts, especially about 5th gen? :no:

and I said J10B will be one of the best 4++ aircraft as, I had to say few good things about China and yes we would wait for few years to see how this aircraft, J10B, perform on field, other than reading publicity by internet warriors………:azn:
 
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Sir, I generally talk to those people with whom I have shared ideas during last over 10 years, many on different forums also, and we all talk how we all ‘knew’ that F35 is the best while this aircraft may even be kicked, not impossible, read my post 70. Even designers of this aircrafts believe that they would now back from beginning and start again. The reason why its IOC is now extended to 2018, 'till now'. And as F22 is also a 5th gen stealth aircraft developed in early 90s by US, its ‘highly’ likely that it would also have the same problems as US's new F35, (its just that F35 is single engined and F22 has dual engine otherwise both are same type aircrafts). And here, even if Im a fan of PAK FA, we can’t guarantee Russia will also not face the similar problems, lets wait for few years, as I have read a lot about F35 and yes US’s arm industry isn’t backward to Russia. And about J20, as China just entered in development process of this fifth gen aircrafts, I may say J20 will be the best as, as per my experience with JSF/ F35, how it matters if it just doesn’t make sense to comment on under development aircrafts, especially about 5th gen? :no:

and I said J10B will be one of the best 4++ aircraft as, I had to say few good things about China and yes we would wait for few years to see how this aircraft, J10B, perform on field, other than reading publicity by internet warriors………:azn:
Who are those people you talk to. And please try to improve on your english skills. It occasionaly turns beyond comprehension.
F-22 and F-35 are compleeeeeeetely differennnnnnnnnnnnnt.
They have their similarities yes, but their differences far outstrip their similarites if you know what I am talking about- avionics, design, engines, roles.
Raptor is bigger, faster, deadlier[and obviously better looking]. How did you even get this idea of F-35 being a single engined Raptor. It incorporates so many new systems in fact it's CATbird avionics testbed[I don't know what it is] is said to have detected and jammed F-22's radars.
And don't you think if F-22 faced similar problems they would have been solved by now, after all it's IOC isn't in 2018. I'm talking about common sense here people.
Fan of PAK-FA? huh
And about J20, as China just entered in development process of this fifth gen aircrafts, I may say J20 will be the best as
Way to go reversing the natural logic here, pal.:no:
 
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Who are those people you talk to. And please try to improve on your english skills. It occasionaly turns beyond comprehension.
F-22 and F-35 are compleeeeeeetely differennnnnnnnnnnnnt.
They have their similarities yes, but their differences far outstrip their similarites if you know what I am talking about- avionics, design, engines, roles.
Raptor is bigger, faster, deadlier[and obviously better looking]. How did you even get this idea of F-35 being a single engined Raptor. It incorporates so many new systems in fact it's CATbird avionics testbed[I don't know what it is] is said to have detected and jammed F-22's radars.
And don't you think if F-22 faced similar problems they would have been solved by now, after all it's IOC isn't in 2018. I'm talking about common sense here people.
Fan of PAK-FA? huh

Way to go reversing the natural logic here, pal.:no:

I would like to end my talk with you with a bottom line fact, that is, Please don’t talk much about those aircrafts which are still in development. Things on paper and on ground are quite different. :tup:

Yes I highly doubt about the capabilities of F22, with a single question why the same US is facing so many problems with F35 while they developed this 5th gen F22 in 90s? we guess, as they wanted an aircraft of stealth tech, they have F22, but as F35 isn’t very good yet except having stealth features, same as F22, they are trying hard with F35 so its IOC is now delayed till 2018, read my previous post '70'.

Im also talking about common sense, if you are prepared to understand logic behind my arguments. I don’t talk much about avionics, design, engines, roles etc as we are not in this profession.
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