Can Iran trust Turkey to be a leader in the Muslim world?

[Serpentine]

may be my knowledge of Middle eastern affairs in-general and Iranian affairs in particular is not up to the mark, kidly read and reply the below mentioned points, thanks in advance.

I never said that the Iranian mosaic is not beautiful. But you have to analyze the region in the present geopolitics of Middle East, Turkey has separatism issue with Kurds and many died in that fight Turkey also have some Integration problems with its Alevi population. The problems are easy to surface in Turkey because of free media and open communication channels. Now come to Iranian mosaic, Iran's problem is more mixed with ethnic and religious, It has separatism issues with Kurds and Balochs , ethnic issues with largest minority of Azeri Turks. The issues that are do not surface easily in Iran because of unavailability of free media and controlled communication channels by regime. In my view when in that case the society which is strictly controlled and less open is susceptible to implode quickly rather than open & free society.

This is where your problems are.First,Iran doesn't have any major problems with its Azeri population as you are saying.They don't seek any separation (let's say 90% of them).Secondly,about Kurds,a major portion of Kurds are Shias in Iran,and many of them do not seek independence.Actually,Kurds are closer to Iranians more than they are close to Turks or Arabs of Syria and Iraq,they speak an Iranic language,have always been a part of Iran.
About Baloochs,that's why I say you don't have any information about Iran.If by separatism,you mean the Jundallah,you may want to know that they were hated by majority of the Baloochs,even in their own tribe.When Iran captured its leader,people came in to streets and celebrated for days.
Besides,AbdulMalik Rigi,the leader of Jundallah,claimed himself that he is not seeking any independence from Iran and is fighting for the rights of Sunnis in Iran.

 

[explorer9]

This is where your problems are.First,Iran doesn't have any major problems with its Azeri population as you are saying.They don't seek any separation (let's say 90% of them).Secondly,about Kurds,a major portion of Kurds are Shias in Iran,and many of them do not seek independence.Actually,Kurds are closer to Iranians more than they are close to Turks or Arabs of Syria and Iraq,they speak an Iranic language,have always been a part of Iran.
About Baloochs,that's why I say you don't have any information about Iran.If by separatism,you mean the Jundallah,you may want to know that they were hated by majority of the Baloochs,even in their own tribe.When Iran captured its leader,people came in to streets and celebrated for days.
Besides,AbdulMalik Rigi,the leader of Jundallah,claimed himself that he is not seeking any independence from Iran and is fighting for the rights of Sunnis in Iran.

Here the problem lies in countries where people are not free to openly express there discontent, people do not come to street with their free will to support the regime. We have many examples of Saddam Era Iraq, Mobarak era Egypt and recently Al-Assad's Syria where people had no choice but to come on street in the support of regime. Azeri Turkish population do not seek independence but they want right to educate in their language and preserve their culture though they are integrated with shiet faith still there are discontent in size-bale Azeri Turkish population of Iran ( remember the cartoon incident). My assertion is on discuss the two societies and their implosion in that case every thing is on surface on Turkish internal affairs but in Iran their is undercurrent and it can explode with any untoward incident in future.

 

[explorer9]

Lets talk about India its ethnic & religious mix. We have separatist insurgency in many places of India fro Kashmir, to to Assam and other North eastern states. We have huge problem of Maoist Insurgency in the hinterland in the central western India too,they want to implement their own system of governance. We have regional provincial issues too where people demand violently for separate provinces with the union of India. The only thing that still bind the nation is the right to open the voice if you watch the discussion on Indian news channel or read newspaper you will find that ordinary citizen do not spare even the highest authority even some time abuse them.

The courts in India release the terrorist and Maoist sympathizers on the ground of humanity and order state to provide the security too. This is no the ideal situation but when people has the right to express their negative views against state, its leader and its institution its helps to mollify the anger to certain extent. Here the difference lie between Iran & Turkey ( One is autocratic regime with open society & another is open regime with open society).

Hope that i was able to convey my viewpoint

 

[Azatavrear]

Why Turks should be the leaders of Islam. Pakistani soldier is as strong as any Turkish soldier. And Pakistan with 180 million ppl and with its nukes is the biggest power among Muslim nations.

So with your logic the leader of Muslim world must be the one with the strongest arms....not of stronger faith.

 

[Azatavrear]

Here the problem lies in countries where people are not free to openly express there discontent, people do not come to street with their free will to support the regime. We have many examples of Saddam Era Iraq, Mobarak era Egypt and recently Al-Assad's Syria where people had no choice but to come on street in the support of regime.

Not so in Iran, green revolution ring a bell?......again people are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to Iran and the rest of the ME.

Azeri Turkish population do not seek independence but they want right to educate in their language and preserve their culture though they are integrated with shiet faith still there are discontent in size-bale Azeri Turkish population of Iran ( remember the cartoon incident). My assertion is on discuss the two societies and their implosion in that case every thing is on surface on Turkish internal affairs but in Iran their is undercurrent and it can explode with any untoward incident in future.

The Azeri Turkish population of Iran consists of no more than a few thousand who have come across the border from Azerbaijan. If you are speaking about Azaris of Iran then they are not a minority, they as Iranian as it gets.

You really have no clue about Iran and you are part of the problem by promoting seperatisim where it doesn't exist.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Azeri Turkish population do not seek independence but they want right to educate in their language and preserve their culture.

Iran is ours, too. We have no problem with those who accept Turkic races as Iranian. Even in case there are unwise movement like Pahlavi dynasty, the history proves who exists in this land and who has gone. How one could be independent from his/her mother land? This is ridiculous.

Years and decades show we are able to save our language and preserve our culture even in most undemocratic dictatorships. We enjoy sharing responsibilities in Iran and we welcome every race enjoys of being Iranian.

There is a narrow line between declaring opposition against government of Azerbaijan and offensive racial statement against Muslim Azeri people. The diplomatic statements should consider these differences as a MUST. There are lots of Iranian Azerbaijani relatives live in Azerbaijan and vice-versa. This is not to be considered as a reason that they soppurt racist people like pan-Turks. It is logical that the people will not tolerate the insulting regards to their immediate or extended relatives.

It is not wise to answer racist pan-Turks in a way that harms the whole Muslim nation both sides the border.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

and we cant let someone kill another just because they support us.we will defend them too.

Sunni Syrians plus mercenaries kill Alevi-Nusayri Syrians. You exaggerate Shah Ismail's power and 21st century Iran's power. You are not in position to dictate Shia world, never were.

Try to Connect Alevi Turks, Jafari Turks and other non Turk minor Alevi groups in Turkey. They long ago gave up Shiaism, became Ataturk supporters and secularists. It is your right to communicate Alevi friends, brothers. But their Islam or their religion would surprise you.