Can India block Pakistan's Water?

[Indika]

What if the withdrawing party has geopolitical power to counter the international pressure?
After all only might will be right.



What if India is too serious in their action?
After all Chinese dont need to trouble themselves for a foreign nation

True, the fact is there is nothing much pakistan can do just like India cannot act against pakistan non-state actors.
Only problem is that for the time being water cannot be dammed or diverted but if we start now 5 years or later we will have facility to do so. Pakistan can go to UN which is a dead organization. The fact is when UN cannot even enforce pakistan to vacate kashmir how will they ask India to release water?

 

[Pakistani E]

All the more reason to free Jammu and Kashmir from these democracy ke thekedars.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

If India blocks the Indus water then it would infuriate China since Indus flows from China NOT only that but Brahmaputra also flows from China to India.


So China would block India's water flowing from China India would be playing with fire if it blocks Pakistani water.

But we shouldn't expect any good gesture from India and prepare for the worst ..

Geography[edit]

Map of the region
Lake Manasarovar lies at 4,590 metres (15,060 ft) above mean sea level, a relatively high elevation for a large freshwater lake on the mostly saline lake-studded Tibetan Plateau.

Lake Manasarovar[1] is relatively round in shape with the circumference of 88 kilometres (55 mi). Its depth reaches a maximum depth of 90 m (300 ft)[citation needed] and its surface area is 320 square kilometres (120 sq mi). It is connected to nearby Lake Rakshastal by the natural Ganga Chhu channel. Lake Manasarovar is near the source of theSutlej, which is the easternmost large tributary of the Sindhu. Nearby are the sources of the Brahmaputra River, the Indus River, and the Ghaghara, an important tributary of the Ganges.

Lake Manas Sarovar overflows in to lake Rakshastal which is a salt-water endorheic lake. These lakes used to be part of the Sutlej basin and were separated due to tectonic activity.

India would never do such a thing- cos they are completely at the mercy of the Chinese- hydrology-wise.

 

[newb3e]

India cannot block the rivers according to trilateral treaty of Indus-Water. However, if they will resort to do this, then we will make a case against them in international community.

But if all of these step will go into vain, then Pakistan can bomb the dams in Kashmir through missiles strikes or airstrikes because no country wants to see its children die with thirst.

and you expect International community to Help Pakistan? You are naive sir

 

[Taha Samad]

Under Indus Water treaty Pakistan has exclusive right to the water of 3 western rivers (Jehlum, Chenab, Indus) for irrigation, but India can construct run of the mill power projects on these rivers.

India had to notify Pakistan about construction of any structure on these 3 rivers. In which case two countries through their Indus Water Commissions will try to resolve any issues with design of structure. In case they are not able to resolve the issue between themselves, issue can be referred to ICJ which is a binding on both countries.

This has been the case with Baglihar & NJ Project, where ICJ made the decision.

For example the issue in case NJ project was not that India can stop water of Pakistan. Issue was that with KG project India could have diverted water from Neelum river to Jehlum river for production of electricity. This would have meant that while water would still have been available to Pakistan for irrigation, but NJ which is a purely Hydro Electric Proj would not be as effective since it also relies on water in Neelum. ICJ ruling was considered favorable by Pakistan.

Similarly another issue of recent history has been Baglihar Dam. Again ICJ was involved but in this case ruling wasn't considered favorable by Pakistan, although India was asked by ICJ to make some changes to design.

Now this should give you idea of how Treaty works. But just to give you idea of storage capacity:

Storage Capacity of Baglihar Dam: 0.012MAF
Storage Capacity of Tarbela Dam: 6.8 MAF

The perception that somehow India is cause of all water problems of Pakistan is not entirely true. Why?

Tarbela & Mangla's capacity over time has reduced. Tarbela when completed in 1976 had capacity of 9.7 MAF. Over 35 years due to siltation this has reduced to 6.8. That a reduction of 3MAF of water storage. Thats 300 Baglihar Dams. Same is the case with Mangla although Mangla Dam raising project has revived some of the lost capacity. Add to it increase in population and water consumption.

So Pakistan needs to construct a Major Dam and quick. KB is ideal because it can be constructed quickly & easily and at less cost compared to DB dam. But as KB is controversial, we need to stop focusing on KB for god-sake and start focusing on DB dam. DB while difficult & expensive, had advantage that since its upstream from Tarbela. It slow down siltation at tarbela and increase its effective life by 35 years. Also adding 6.4 MAF of storage to Pakistan's irrigation system.

 

[Tshering22]

Don't worry , we can drop and single bomb on these sites and restore the water flow and million of dollars of India will be lost on these installations.

A Muslim should fight back when its time to do so.

That would be the best thing we could expect from you in our favour.

Blow up a fully loaded dam and half of your country drowns without shooting a single bullet.

Choice is yours.

 

[Indika]

That would be the best thing we could expect from you in our favour.

Blow up a fully loaded dam and half of your country drowns without shooting a single bullet.

Choice is yours.

Our non radioactive nuke , trigger with pakistan. Only problem some initial investment is needed.

 

[MM_Haider]

I am hearing a lot recently that India is considering blocking Pakistan's flow of water which it receives through rivers originating in the north.

Now is this just another empty Indian threat or should Pakistan be worried?

If they do in fact "block" the water, what can Pakistan do?

Yes it can and it will! When? It is just a matter of time. May be till India has required infrastructure (dams and canals). All Pakistan has to do is to tahe this threat literally and start building as many dams as possible even nation is required to kept starved for a decade to store the water, whichever available.

Next wars between Pakistan and India (in almost all of the world) will be on water! I repeat nextvwars will be on water. It is high time to see other means to store water.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Yes it can and it will! When? It is just a matter of time. May be till India has required infrastructure (dams and canals). All Pakistan has to do is to tahe this threat literally and start building as many dams as possible even nation is required to kept starved for a decade to store the water, whichever available.

Next wars between Pakistan and India (in almost all of the world) will be on water! I repeat nextvwars will be on water. It is high time to see other means to store water.

All of India's control of the water is in IOK right?

 

[Banglar Bir]

of course we can block pakistans water, the thing is indus water treaty is too generous, we dont need to give pakistan 80% of its water, its way too much.

NOW SEE ,DEAR PAK BROTHERS WHAT DID I WRITE ABOUT EARLIER?

 

[abrar khan]

I am hearing a lot recently that India is considering blocking Pakistan's flow of water which it receives through rivers originating in the north.

Now is this just another empty Indian threat or should Pakistan be worried?

If they do in fact "block" the water, what can Pakistan do?

Someone said that next wars will be fought on water disputes

 

[Banglar Bir]

I JUST FAIL TO COMPREHEND WHY DO YOU BOTH THE COUNTRIES TALK aBOUT A MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION SCENARIO, A VERY IMMATURE AND CHILDISH BEHAVIOUR, WISEN UP.

MAKE POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS ONLY.

 

[bananarepublic]

Well would you mind checking source of those tributaries? 4 out of 6 IWT rivers originates within India.

Yes most of the eastern tributaries in Pakistan originate from India but not Indus only one of its source first travels from Pakistan border to china then to skardu district where It joins other sources and the travels to India after that it travels back to pakistan

Under Indus Water treaty Pakistan has exclusive right to the water of 3 western rivers (Jehlum, Chenab, Indus) for irrigation, but India can construct run of the mill power projects on these rivers.

India had to notify Pakistan about construction of any structure on these 3 rivers. In which case two countries through their Indus Water Commissions will try to resolve any issues with design of structure. In case they are not able to resolve the issue between themselves, issue can be referred to ICJ which is a binding on both countries.

This has been the case with Baglihar & NJ Project, where ICJ made the decision.

For example the issue in case NJ project was not that India can stop water of Pakistan. Issue was that with KG project India could have diverted water from Neelum river to Jehlum river for production of electricity. This would have meant that while water would still have been available to Pakistan for irrigation, but NJ which is a purely Hydro Electric Proj would not be as effective since it also relies on water in Neelum. ICJ ruling was considered favorable by Pakistan.

Similarly another issue of recent history has been Baglihar Dam. Again ICJ was involved but in this case ruling wasn't considered favorable by Pakistan, although India was asked by ICJ to make some changes to design.

Now this should give you idea of how Treaty works. But just to give you idea of storage capacity:

Storage Capacity of Baglihar Dam: 0.012MAF
Storage Capacity of Tarbela Dam: 6.8 MAF

The perception that somehow India is cause of all water problems of Pakistan is not entirely true. Why?

Tarbela & Mangla's capacity over time has reduced. Tarbela when completed in 1976 had capacity of 9.7 MAF. Over 35 years due to siltation this has reduced to 6.8. That a reduction of 3MAF of water storage. Thats 300 Baglihar Dams. Same is the case with Mangla although Mangla Dam raising project has revived some of the lost capacity. Add to it increase in population and water consumption.

So Pakistan needs to construct a Major Dam and quick. KB is ideal because it can be constructed quickly & easily and at less cost compared to DB dam. But as KB is controversial, we need to stop focusing on KB for god-sake and start focusing on DB dam. DB while difficult & expensive, had advantage that since its upstream from Tarbela. It slow down siltation at tarbela and increase its effective life by 35 years. Also adding 6.4 MAF of storage to Pakistan's irrigation system.

The real reason for Diamer basha dam is not electricity production but water storage because it has got a huge water storage capacity
Secondly up river another project named bunji dam has the capacity to fulfill Pakistan's electricity shortage even produce more than needed 7100 mw in Pakistan it is less costly to build (6.8billon)and less time is needed to construct it in comparison with diamer basha 4500mw cost (14 billion) the only reason government opted for diamer was for water storage this shows that our government is giving water first priority to electricity and also shows that our government is not that incompetent as it seems

 

[graphican]

What if the withdrawing party has geopolitical power to counter the international pressure?
After all only might will be right.

What if India is too serious in their action?
After all Chinese dont need to trouble themselves for a foreign nation

That is another delusion Mr. Nair. When you would become a "Geopolitical Power", wake me up. I would come and congratulate you by name. May be I would buy you a lunch followed by Kheer.

If India would ever be a "Geo-political power", it won't be left to the likes or Mr. Niar to break this news on an "enemy" country's defence forum - while its PM is still jumping up and down, drying his throat in frustration.

 

[SrNair]

That is another delusion Mr. Nair. When you would become a "Geopolitical Power", wake me up. I would come and congratulate you by name. May be I would buy you a lunch followed by Kheer.

If India would ever be a "Geo-political power", it won't be left to the likes or Mr. Niar to break this news on an "enemy" country's defence forum - while its PM is still jumping up and down, drying his throat in frustration.

Dont need your certificate ,We are already proved that when UN abstained away from making statements about Kashmir .

Our PM addressing his citizens in my homestate.Neither he addressed UN nor Pakistan.
So none of your concerns