Can China catch up with India in space race?

[huckyang]

LOL If the US is poor then i don't think any country out here can claim to be rich. lol Dude US is still a world leader in almost every major field. moreover that leadership is mostly due to its vibrant private sector/entrepreneurs not the government. You claiming the US is a failure is ridiculous and even laughable. It's like the Indians claiming your country is a failure. lol
The fact that huawei(one of china's most advanced company) had to curtail or almost seize most of its overseas business in mobile sector due to US putting some sanctions on them should tell alot. moreover this is mostly possible due to US private companies not the state. Since it's US private companies technology Huawei like many Chinese mobile companies are relying on(Google's android, apple, intel, Qualcomm, microsoft, skyworks, Nvidia etc etc i can go on and on). without US vibrant innovative private sector, there will be no powerful US as we know today. The US government won't be able to dictate terms to other countries without the innovative/vibrant private sector who leads the world and dominates in the world's tech industry. This has influence/impact on every single country on earth.
American private industry has been the trend setter which the world has been following. This shows that a strong vibrant private industry is a necessity for any ,major power that wants to establish themselves and be competitive worldwide. Yes for that you need not only a vibrant private sector but also big powerful private champions. Since without some sort large economies of scale, its difficult for a small private company to be able to keep up with its competitors who are much larger/powerful and can afford to invest huge sums of capital for R&D. Your aliba/tencent, bytedance etc cant withstand competition per se(especially globally) if they are small in scale and not powerful. Since other far more larger private companies would have put them out of business. Same with Samsung from south Korea who is now dominant worldwide(its also due to their scale/power). So if for you having powerful huge private champion is viewed more as a threat to the party, then it's better to adopt a policy of limiting the growth/scale of your private companies and the government should mandate that or favour its state owned companies to take over those sectors and see let's see how it plays out

US is afraid of competition that is why they used ban. Just like space station ban but it is a matter of time the space station technology is in China hand. Banning Huawei is good for China in another few years China will again catch up or superceed the technology. Just like 5G.
The whole world knows US is playing cheat when it cannot compete. US used to preach free trade 30 to 40 years ago. However today they close their doors and anti competition.
US debt is super high not sure how the next generation is going to settle this. Printing money is not a long term solution. And using military might to suppress the other is also not a solution unless it want to be destroyed all together. So time bomb is ticking.
These companies worth is all imaginary to keep the wall street up. They will come the bubble.
The US government is the poorest in the world with all the debt. Taxing the poor and middle class but not the rich is the biggest problem in US. And the wall street imaginary wealth, let see if this system can survive. The world is watching how it is going to evolve.
You are incorrect saying US is leading in every field. They are not that is why they are starting to feel insecure and started sanctioning countries and having trade war. It is not a US that the world recognized before.
I am not Chinese but Malaysian. As a neutral party we see US is playing dirty tricks as it is getting weak. Just like when in 80s when Japan is growing, the US push them down because or insecurity. If US is so great why it needs to do that. For example US automobile is not leading. The German and Japanese car far better and ahead.
The only field left for the US to brag about for now is software and computing. We used to watch US made TV long time ago. And now can you find any US made TV? US new patents is also not number 1 anymore meaning less innovation is coming out from the US. The US is not the number one as claimed by you. Only I see software and computing to certain extend for now. Heavy machinery German still the best. Camera is Japanese. Electric car is China. US economy depends a lot on the weapon industry that is why it always look for weaker country to attack. Basically it is evil and selfish. There is no more holistic approach that once US had given to the world after WW2 by giving countries independent from the British. US is not a god country anymore that is why it declining by the days. Let see.

 

[Beast]

LOL If the US is poor then i don't think any country out here can claim to be rich. lol Dude US is still a world leader in almost every major field. moreover that leadership is mostly due to its vibrant private sector/entrepreneurs not the government. You claiming the US is a failure is ridiculous and even laughable. It's like the Indians claiming your country is a failure. lol
The fact that huawei(one of china's most advanced company) had to curtail or almost seize most of its overseas business in mobile sector due to US putting some sanctions on them should tell alot. moreover this is mostly possible due to US private companies not the state. Since it's US private companies technology Huawei like many Chinese mobile companies are relying on(Google's android, apple, intel, Qualcomm, microsoft, skyworks, Nvidia etc etc i can go on and on). without US vibrant innovative private sector, there will be no powerful US as we know today. The US government won't be able to dictate terms to other countries without the innovative/vibrant private sector who leads the world and dominates in the world's tech industry. This has influence/impact on every single country on earth.
American private industry has been the trend setter which the world has been following. This shows that a strong vibrant private industry is a necessity for any ,major power that wants to establish themselves and be competitive worldwide. Yes for that you need not only a vibrant private sector but also big powerful private champions. Since without some sort large economies of scale, its difficult for a small private company to be able to keep up with its competitors who are much larger/powerful and can afford to invest huge sums of capital for R&D. Your aliba/tencent, bytedance etc cant withstand competition per se(especially globally) if they are small in scale and not powerful. Since other far more larger private companies would have put them out of business. Same with Samsung from south Korea who is now dominant worldwide(its also due to their scale/power). So if for you having powerful huge private champion is viewed more as a threat to the party, then it's better to adopt a policy of limiting the growth/scale of your private companies and the government should mandate that or favour its state owned companies to take over those sectors and see let's see how it plays out

US claim to be superpower. Cant even get it house right and fight a pandemic. Even until now after 150 years of black slavery ended. US still need to deal with things like Black live matter or daily racist attack on Asian. Or mass shooting violence almost every week.

US used to have every tech above China but now, they lead China only on some areas. What u mention is correct. US still leads many tech but compare to 30 years ago against China. How is current now? What we claim of US tech eroding and slowing down are reasonable. Its more of American failure to accept the rise of China and believe China tech is only based on stealing with zero R&D and input. How can a country has effective counter policy if they continue to deceive themselves with such theory?

 

[lonelyman]

ten of millions self delusional Indians on the twitter as below

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396472412753907715

@Smarana Mitra

since that guy said India has all fancy stuff like space station and all brand new rockets lined up and you said you don't need more than 6 tons LEO capability rockets, can you enlighten us what do you plan to use to send your 'space station'?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396465607030153221

 

[Smarana Mitra]

ten of millions self delusional Indians on the twitter as below

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396472412753907715

@Smarana Mitra

since that guy said India has all fancy stuff like space station and all brand new rockets lined up and you said you don't need more than 6 tons LEO capability rockets, can you enlighten us what do you plan to use to send your 'space station'?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396465607030153221

Shashi Tharoor is a low IQ foreign agent. His words have no value. He is like some Chinese born USA agents talking shit about China. If you quote such low IQ people, then I will also quote low IQ Chinese both foreign agents. It is best that you only quote top BJP leaders and no one else

 

[bshifter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/940197017145442305

This is what Indians read, no wonder they see themselves ahead of China.

This guy is also convinced

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396412307790602240

 

[Beast]

Shashi Tharoor is a low IQ foreign agent. His words have no value. He is like some Chinese born USA agents talking shit about China. If you quote such low IQ people, then I will also quote low IQ Chinese both foreign agents. It is best that you only quote top BJP leaders and no one else

Who is the low IQ Chinese and what did they say about China and India space? Care to back your first?

If they say China are thousand miles ahead of India space. That is not low IQ statement or nationalistic but hard cold true fact which you delusion Indian refuse to accept.

China can do manned mission.

Build standard permanent space station good for 3-6 crews,
Do unmanned space docking.
Do spacewalk
Build robot arm for space station maintenance.
Independent deep space exploration to Mars.
Build world class FAST 500m radio space signal detector
Build the most powerful earth telescope.
Carry out Moon sample return.
Land rover on moon.
Land rover on Mars.
25 tons LEO payload capabilities
Global Beidou 3 signal
Quantum space secure communication
Launch space satellite on floating platform


Can India space do those?

 

[lonelyman]

Who is the low IQ Chinese and what did they say about China and India space? Care to back your first?

If they say China are thousand miles ahead of India space. That is not low IQ statement or nationalistic but hard cold true fact which you delusion Indian refuse to accept.

China can do manned mission.

Build standard permanent space station good for 3-6 crews,
Do unmanned space docking.
Do spacewalk
Build robot arm for space station maintenance.
Independent deep space exploration to Mars.
Build world class FAST 500m radio space signal detector
Build the most powerful earth telescope.
Carry out Moon sample return.
Land rover on moon.
Land rover on Mars.
25 tons LEO payload capabilities
Global Beidou 3 signal
Quantum space secure communication
Launch space satellite on floating platform


Can India space do those?

they can shoot cow to the space, which we can't do

 

[huckyang]

US claim to be superpower. Cant even get it house right and fight a pandemic. Even until now after 150 years of black slavery ended. US still need to deal with things like Black live matter or daily racist attack on Asian. Or mass shooting violence almost every week.

US used to have every tech above China but now, they lead China only on some areas. What u mention is correct. US still leads many tech but compare to 30 years ago against China. How is current now? What we claim of US tech eroding and slowing down are reasonable. Its more of American failure to accept the rise of China and believe China tech is only based on stealing with zero R&D and input. How can a country has effective counter policy if they continue to deceive themselves with such theory?

China tech is only based on stealing with zero R&D and input. The statement is true 30 years ago, yes China did imitates some of the US tech.

It is also true many economy is based on imitating same goes with US taking British and German tech before WW2 and after WW2. Man landing on the moon is the work of Nazi Germany scientist.
Look at the tomahawk missiles the Russian had their Kh55 cruise missile first , believe Pentagon copied their design. The United States Air Force's first operational surface-to-surface missile was the winged, mobile, nuclear-capable MGM-1 Matador, also similar in concept to the V-1. Every country is a copy cat.
US also accused Japan as copy country in 80s -90s.

On one hand US is also copy cat and on one hand accused other of stealing their technology.
Even the first people that came out with internal combustion engine automobile is not Hendry Ford.
It is the German, US can be considered stealing the German technology?

Even today Boeing, etc jet engine turbine is still using German CNC grinding to do the finishing.

As you said there should be competition why when when US is not at the right track used cheating tactics to avoid competition and undermine free trade when US was preaching to entire world 30 years ago. That is what I mentioned US is not anymore the US we once admired. The world see what is happening.

The worst the politic is US is becoming like a third world countries when Trump announced America First. Third world countries love to use this political rhetoric, and I don't blame them as they are still developing country but coming from US is a shocked of life. US is supposed to be the first world, once upon a time admired by the rest leading and helping others now we see US as a hegemon and evil.


Please check on patent registration China today is way ahead of US. Even Facebook is stealing ideas from Tencent today.

 

[huckyang]

China tech is only based on stealing with zero R&D and input. The statement is true 30 years ago, yes China did imitates some of the US tech.

It is also true many economy is based on imitating same goes with US taking British and German tech before WW2 and after WW2. Man landing on the moon is the work of Nazi Germany scientist.
Look at the tomahawk missiles the Russian had their Kh55 cruise missile first , believe Pentagon copied their design. The United States Air Force's first operational surface-to-surface missile was the winged, mobile, nuclear-capable MGM-1 Matador, also similar in concept to the V-1. Every country is a copy cat.
US also accused Japan as copy country in 80s -90s.

On one hand US is also copy cat and on one hand accused other of stealing their technology.
Even the first people that came out with internal combustion engine automobile is not Hendry Ford.
It is the German, US can be considered stealing the German technology?

Even today Boeing, etc jet engine turbine is still using German CNC grinding to do the finishing.

As you said there should be competition why when when US is not at the right track used cheating tactics to avoid competition and undermine free trade when US was preaching to entire world 30 years ago. That is what I mentioned US is not anymore the US we once admired. The world see what is happening.

The worst the politic is US is becoming like a third world countries when Trump announced America First. Third world countries love to use this political rhetoric, and I don't blame them as they are still developing country but coming from US is a shocked of life. US is supposed to be the first world, once upon a time admired by the rest leading and helping others now we see US as a hegemon and evil.


Please check on patent registration China today is way ahead of US. Even Facebook is stealing ideas from Tencent today.

US is also become delusion as the Indian. India has a reason as they had suffered under colonial rule for almost 600 years. But USA ? Unless USA is having a self reflective and starting to learn of its own decline.
I learned from foster parent in US for grace of GOD we should be kind. The touch of GOD is gone, US is destined to doom.

 

[mudas777]

India is a failed state, with different languages and culture, British made artifact.

India was never united at current form in history before the British, a nation of tribes with pseudoscience believing, bodies dumping into river, poor, dirty, selfish, corrupt and incompetent government, but supa powa claiming self delusions

China is already 10 circles ahead of India on which circle of the track China have to catch up with India again. Which Bollywood movie the author was watching before writing this article.

 

[Tauren Paladin]

Thats right. Ignore them. They will never admit their technology shortcoming. Even you give him USD 20 billion and they failed to deliver. They will still spin whatever narrative that suit their fantasy!

A good example:
Indian moon rover crashes on the moon.

Indian media: it's 98% successful

 

[Polestar 2]

India space agency shall be commemorate for it's archievement but to compare to China , is far too scretch. Both countries shall go at their own pace.

 

[lonelyman]

Indian delusions after delusions, now build space station

supa powa doesn't have heavy rockets, didn't/couldn't send man to space, but talking about building space station

@Smarana Mitra does ISRO plan to build space station with your pathetic 6 tons LEO rocket? did you say you guys don't need heavy rockets?

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Indian delusions after delusions, now build space station

supa powa doesn't have heavy rockets, didn't/couldn't send man to space, but talking about building space station

@Smarana Mitra does ISRO plan to build space station with your pathetic 6 tons LEO rocket? did you say you guys don't need heavy rockets?

These are just long term ambitions, not something intended in short term. ISRO scientists want many things but the govt will only fund military requirements on priority. Everything else will be PR stunts done at low cost

 

[j20blackdragon]

LOL If the US is poor then i don't think any country out here can claim to be rich. lol

GDP per capita in the West doesn't tell the whole story. In fact, I think it is an overrated metric.

Home ownership is nowadays more of a reality for young people in China than it is for the West. 70% of Chinese millennials own property vs 35% in the US, 31% in the UK.

Chinese homes are NOT small. By 2017, residential floor space per capita in China was larger than the UK or Japan. The "high" standard of living in the UK was built upon 500 years of slavery, colonialism, and the plundering and exploitation of large areas of the world. Chinese communism did this in 20-30 years.

Source:

A Chinese housing market crash could be even more disastrous than America’s

Investment drives China’s economy. And housing fuels a large share of that investment, contributing 33% of fixed-asset investment, says Zhang Zhiwei, an economist at Nomura—and, consequently, 16% of GDP. The decade-long housing boom that’s kept China’s GDP aloft has so far defied the bubble...

qz.com

Chinese homes are brand new. The vast majority of Chinese real estate was built AFTER the year 2000. In contrast, 85% of U.S. housing was built before the new millennium.

Source:

In China, '90s Housing Is Already Vintage

China has several thousand years of history, but there's little sign of it walking round most Chinese cities today.

www.wsj.com

China has been the world's No.1 auto market for over a decade. If the average Chinese can afford a home, they can certainly afford a car.

List of countries by motor vehicle production - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't need to say too much about China's infrastructure.
China's expressway and high speed rail networks are the largest in the world.
China's power grid is the largest in the world.

But I do want to highlight China's 5G infrastructure. China has 70% of the world’s 5G base stations. Does China have 70% of the world's population? Forget about GDP per capita. China has the highest 5G per capita in the world. Even stranger, China managed to do this despite massive tech restrictions placed on Huawei and a global chip shortage.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1394110908952039425

Lastly, I challenge ANYONE to show me the poorest areas of China that are as dangerous and terrifying as these scenes here in America. Criminals, homeless, drug addicts, and dangerous weirdos are EVERYWHERE in America these days. You don't want to walk down these streets at night.