Can Afghan Army alone save Kabul from Afghan Taliban ?

[A-Team]

The root cause of the Afghanistan imbroglio is Pakistan's grand strategy of trying achieving that so called 'strategic depth' in Afghanistan. The only way they can achieve this is to install a pliable pro-Pak government in Kabul, and that means going all out to support the Talibs militarily and financially which they have been doing for more than a decade and a half. So far, their plans have come a cropper and has resulted in nothing but bloodshed and a growing anti Pak sentiment in Afghanistan.

No insurgency can last without the active support of external powers. The Afghan Taliban and the Haqqanis would have disintegrated long ago but for this external support. Unless there is a paradigm shift in Pakistan's policies toward Afghanistan per se, nothing will change. Seeing Pakistan's dilemma in going after the Talibs (which would go against their stated objectives and would not be easy to do), the future of Afghanistan looks bleak.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Well put!

And what about BLA army chief and Pakistan taliban commander fazllulah who is living under your agencies safe houses? Don't blame others for your incredibility. Afghan forces are nothing more than bunch of useless forces. Even Pakistan face corruption problem and we face terrorism supported by you but still we dismantled taliban and we will keep on dismantling anybody who tried to make Pakistan a fail state.

The fact is afghanistan on its own cannot defeat afghan taliban.

Look I don't have first hand knowledge of whether NDS shelters BLA, TTP or not but let's agree for the sake of argument that NDS shelters these folks, have you asked why? Pakistan plainly wants a client state in Afghanistan and thus has supported Afghan Talis since 2001, NDS is just reciprocating the pain back to Pakistan. Remember that your support for the Afghans have started before 2001 and continued after that while the TTP Mullah Radio crossed over to Afghanistan in 2009 after Pak army operation in SWAT. So NDS found him a nice tool to hurt you with until you stop supporting Afghan Talis.

PS : My personal take is that this scenario is a lose-lose for both of us and the region but until Pakistan disregards Afghan sovereignty by supporting these groups, you will have a tit for tat.

 

[Windows 10]

And what about BLA army chief and Pakistan taliban commander fazllulah who is living under your agencies safe houses? Don't blame others for your incredibility. Afghan forces are nothing more than bunch of useless forces. Even Pakistan face corruption problem and we face terrorism supported by you but still we dismantled taliban and we will keep on dismantling anybody who tried to make Pakistan a fail state.

The fact is afghanistan on its own cannot defeat afghan taliban.

Even you yourself were not able to take TTP. It was United States who always took off TTP leaders. It was their aid who helped you to fight against TTP. Your politicians are corrupt to the core too. The way you got F16's and other equipments in the name of warror on terror if Afghan Government get the same then they can also take on AT for sure.

 

[A-Team]

If U.S. decides to spend only Two percent of its total defence expenditure for training Afghan forces and providing military hardware to it for the next Ten years, then in a decade Afghanistan might become a regional power to counter China.

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We wish

No, I paid bribes got certain benefits.

This shows two things.

- You don't know Karzai personally as you mentioned so grandly in you statements.

- You have helped the corrupted system by paying bribes, i.e. those paying and those receiving bribes are the same virus that perpetuate this menace. So instead of lecturing me how corrupt Karzai or Afghanistan is, probably its time to look into the mirror for a while.

Damn, PDF is making me a troll need to stop interacting with some.

 

[Bratva]

The root cause of the Afghanistan imbroglio is Pakistan's grand strategy of trying achieving that so called 'strategic depth' in Afghanistan. The only way they can achieve this is to install a pliable pro-Pak government in Kabul, and that means going all out to support the Talibs militarily and financially which they have been doing for more than a decade and a half. So far, their plans have come a cropper and has resulted in nothing but bloodshed and a growing anti Pak sentiment in Afghanistan.

No insurgency can last without the active support of external powers. The Afghan Taliban and the Haqqanis would have disintegrated long ago but for this external support. Unless there is a paradigm shift in Pakistan's policies toward Afghanistan per se, nothing will change. Seeing Pakistan's dilemma in going after the Talibs (which would go against their stated objectives and would not be easy to do), the future of Afghanistan looks bleak.

Do you have any idea, How Pakistan defines strategic depth? The strategic depth per se is to deny Indian inspired elements from stroking rebellions inside Balochistan, Deny the rise of pashtunisan elements inside KPK. Deny the ability to use Afghan Taliban and Haqqanis against Pakistan, Because if Pakistan takes action against them, they will turn against Pakistan. Afghanistan will use these disgruntled elements to further spread chaos inside Pakistan.

Did Afghanistan showed willingness to shed its venomous attitude pakistan that will compel pakistan to abandon its tactic and moral support of afghan insurgency ? It take two to clap. Pakistan doing everything alone and In the end you want Raw And NDS taking advantage of that chaos and using disgruntled elements against us which in turn begins new cycle of violence in Pakistan ?


And in 16 years of these WoT, how many times Afghanistan has went after TTP inside Afghanistan ? Figures how much afghanistan is sincere to Pakistan and that explains why Pakistan doesnt take afghani peace offerings seriously.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Well put!



Look I don't have first hand knowledge of whether NDS shelters BLA, TTP or not but let's agree for the sake of argument that NDS shelters these folks, have you asked why? Pakistan plainly wants a client state in Afghanistan and thus has supported Afghan Talis since 2001, NDS is just reciprocating the pain back to Pakistan. Remember that your support for the Afghans have started before 2001 and continued after that while the TTP Mullah Radio crossed over to Afghanistan in 2009 after Pak army operation in SWAT. So NDS found him a nice tool to hurt you with until you stop supporting Afghan Talis.

PS : My personal take is that this scenario is a lose-lose for both of us and the region but until Pakistan disregards Afghan sovereignty by supporting these groups, you will have a tit for tat.

Figures how reluctant you are to own up to your own nefarious activities and assuming that it may happens while on the other hands America snatches TTP leadership which were riding with NDS agents to meet with NDS leadership.

Dont spread propaganda and misinformation. Afghanistan insurgency was at its lowest in 2004-2005. It was revived only when Pakistan allegations began to appear about Afghanistan-india support to Baloch rebellion which began in 2005 and insurgency in afghanistan revived, picked up its momentum once Haqqani was bitten by americans and began their insurgent activities.

 

[!eon]

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We wish



This shows two things.

- You don't know Karzai personally as you mentioned so grandly in you statements.

- You have helped the corrupted system by paying bribes, i.e. those paying and those receiving bribes are the same virus that perpetuate this menace. So instead of lecturing me how corrupt Karzai or Afghanistan is, probably its time to look into the mirror for a while.

Damn, PDF is making me a troll need to stop interacting with some.

I was paying him and his family bribe and I don't know him personally ?
I am not troll but either you are watching a dream of corruption free karzai i.e. afghan govt or you are hiding from reality, but you are only making fool out of yourself. Everybody here knows how much corrupt Afghan govt is. Even the Hindus here know but they are encouraging you because they have other objectives.
You are here and I am here, we will continue see each other and also, now I will continue to ask how much corruption free is Afghanistan every day on each thread of yours... you can't hide Afghan govt corruption!

and about me to support that corrupt system, you know even a simple shop keeper pays bribes, you have to pay bribe there in every field, otherwise even your legal work is not done.
I don't pay bribes in Europe, simply I don't need because the system is not corrupt and I get my legal share easily.. that's not possible in Afghanistan.

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We wish



This shows two things.

- You don't know Karzai personally as you mentioned so grandly in you statements.

- You have helped the corrupted system by paying bribes, i.e. those paying and those receiving bribes are the same virus that perpetuate this menace. So instead of lecturing me how corrupt Karzai or Afghanistan is, probably its time to look into the mirror for a while.

Damn, PDF is making me a troll need to stop interacting with some.

Kindly deny or close your eyes.. I will bring more.

WikiLeaks cables portray Hamid Karzai as corrupt and erratic

Intractable Afghan Graft Hampering U.S. Strategy

MI6 ‘ghost money’ sent to Hamid Karzai amid massive Afghan corruption

Corruption in Afghanistan

 

[BetterPakistan]

Even you yourself were not able to take TTP. It was United States who always took off TTP leaders. It was their aid who helped you to fight against TTP. Your politicians are corrupt to the core too. The way you got F16's and other equipments in the name of warror on terror if Afghan Government get the same then they can also take on AT for sure.

Oh really seems like a kiddo is here

Since 2014 to today it was only Pak who completely dismantled taliban without any help and US recognize it too. Don't India get AID from the world? It is shameful for such big economy India to take AID

We get F-16s and we dismantled taliban while afghanistan isn't able to do anything and remember we helped US and Afghanistan against Soviet union too so SUBSIDIZED F-16s can be a compensation for it too. Don't you get subsidized f-16s without doing anything? Beggars

What about you? Aren't you begging f-16 production deal to US ? You are begging more as always you do and you haven't done anything for US yet and still begging
It was a deal between Pak and US to fight taliban and in return US was going to pay the expenses because it was their war not ours so US hasn't done anything special for us WHILE you guys begging and crying NSG membership, f-16 production, drones etc

 

[GiannKall]

NATO has failed but since the plan is muslims and christians to hate each other the occupation will continue. Just like in Somalia, Mali and soon Libya

 

[Windows 10]

What about you? Aren't you begging f-16 production deal to US ? You are begging more as always you do and you haven't done anything for US yet and still begging
It was a deal between Pak and US to fight taliban and in return US was going to pay the expenses because it was their war not ours so US hasn't done anything special for us WHILE you guys begging and crying NSG membership, f-16 production, drones etc

Begging, you emphasized a lot on this word. Not your fault this is what you are known for. India is not dying for F 16 production line, it is the other way round kid. We even did not ask for F 16, United States is pitching us for it whereas you have been humiliated time and again for the same things. You are the one begging them for F16's in subsidized rate. We pay for everything we buy unlike you.

 

[Tipu7]

In Afghanistan vs Pakistan situation,
India will be ultimate loser ...............
They lost back in 80s when they powered Soviet Back Najeeb ullah Government and lost.
They will lose again. Taliban is just a card to bring back minds of Afghans in right direction.
Once you get rid of few dozen secular pro Indian Elite in Kabul, Afghanistan will have peace....................

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Let's leave it to Afghanistan how they treat their cult. Those are their own sons and daughters revolting against them based on their believes in their own way that they deem is suitable.

Our worry should be those 1.5 million Afghan refugees who have been provided relief by my country for about four decades now.Especially when atacks like these (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/) keeps on happening around the world.The social ,economical , cultural and political impact on my country because of their stay is humongous . Not to ignore the security issues and damages they have caused to our national fabric.Pakistan was not formed to satisfy the needs of millions of Afghanis who won't accept my country as an independant state to begin with.

Do you have any idea, How Pakistan defines strategic depth? The strategic depth per se is to deny Indian inspired elements from stroking rebellions inside Balochistan, Deny the rise of pashtunisan elements inside KPK. Deny the ability to use Afghan Taliban and Haqqanis against Pakistan, Because if Pakistan takes action against them, they will turn against Pakistan. Afghanistan will use these disgruntled elements to further spread chaos inside Pakistan.

Did Afghanistan showed willingness to shed its venomous attitude pakistan that will compel pakistan to abandon its tactic and moral support of afghan insurgency ? It take two to clap. Pakistan doing everything alone and In the end you want Raw And NDS taking advantage of that chaos and using disgruntled elements against us which in turn begins new cycle of violence in Pakistan ?


And in 16 years of these WoT, how many times Afghanistan has went after TTP inside Afghanistan ? Figures how much afghanistan is sincere to Pakistan and that explains why Pakistan doesnt take afghani peace offerings seriously.




Figures how reluctant you are to own up to your own nefarious activities and assuming that it may happens while on the other hands America snatches TTP leadership which were riding with NDS agents to meet with NDS leadership.
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Dont spread propaganda and misinformation. Afghanistan insurgency was at its lowest in 2004-2005. It was revived only when Pakistan allegations began to appear about Afghanistan-india support to Baloch rebellion which began in 2005 and insurgency in afghanistan revived, picked up its momentum once Haqqani was bitten by americans and began their insurgent activities.

Pakistan has contributed in any constructive way she could to save the attempts of peace in Afghanistan.I'm very confident when I say that we were more sincere to them that any other country around the world, because we knew if that thing blew ,it will impact Pakistan more that any other country including Afghanistan.Why, because we have more resources which are at stake here.Hence, we did not like any of our enemies to hijack it from the word go and leave our fate in hands of someone else for whom Afghanistan is just another theatre of war which can be used against us.

 

[RAMPAGE]

@A-Team

Is there anyone else beside the Haqqanis whom we (Pakistan) could endorse. Someone who'd be acceptable and popular with both sides?

@Bratva @Oscar

What do you guys think?

 

[Zarvan]

These pictures are from inside Afghanistan where Taliban are openly conducting meetings. I think it's enough slap on face of the Afghan Government and NATO.

 

[khanasifm]

History of bear vs lion ......continues....

 

[Yeezy]

Afghanistan is f*cked, I don't see the country ever becoming stable. Forget the Taliban, Daesh have gained a strong foothold in the country. Daesh has a very big presence in Nangarhar Province and the Afghan terrorist who shot up the club in Orlando was in direct contact with Daesh in Nangarhar.

Instead of accusing other states for your misery, Afghans should own up and try to make their country better.

 

[BetterPakistan]

Begging, you emphasized a lot on this word. Not your fault this is what you are known for. India is not dying for F 16 production line, it is the other way round kid. We even did not ask for F 16, United States is pitching us for it whereas you have been humiliated time and again for the same things. You are the one begging them for F16's in subsidized rate. We pay for everything we buy unlike you.

Really pony?

You was always known for begging and dying and you begged f-16 deal from US, the entire world knows it. It is not the other way round beta. You didn't asked for f-16? than why modi rushed to US for a deal? Open your eyes kiddo

You guys got humiliated as always whether it CPEC, isolating Pakistan, confronting myanmar or anything else. If you pay for everything you buy than why your govt is holding billions of dollars to Iran? When you're gonna pay it?

I guess those 200 freedom fighters in iOC made you mad Pak dismantled almost 4000 taliban terrorists with 30,000 force and your 7,00,000 force isn't able to deal with 200 freedom fighters

If you wanna know than let me acknowledge you that India received $2.5 billion Aid in 2013 while Pakistan received $2.174 billion which clearly reflects india begs more. Poor India beggar
and if you don't believe these figures than you can see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_recipients