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Cameron's inflammatory comments against Pakistan: I meant Pakistanis are terrorists..

See above, his spokespeople are already clarifying ... we haven't even officially protested yet.
Our people should work harder, and we should protest till we turn blue over how dare he say something like that. Our people shut up and take it, instead of giving these schmucks a big stick.

Newspapers saying something is different from the head of state talking against Pakistan in belligerent terms. If he has such a big issue against Pakistan then he is pitting the UK as an enemy of Pakistan.

If anyone treats you like a foe our people should oblige them and give them the same treatment back.
 
Our people should work harder, and we should protest till we turn blue over how dare he say something like that. Our people shut up and take it, instead of giving these schmucks a big stick.

Newspapers saying something is different from the head of state talking against Pakistan in belligerent terms. If he has such a big issue against Pakistan then he is pitting the UK as an enemy of Pakistan.

If anyone treats you like a foe our people should oblige them and give them the same treatment back.

Absolutely we should. I wish the GoP would grow some cajones and expel a British diplomat over this to send a strong message.
 
In this you must learn from India. If any such statement is said against India, all of India would be clawing and ready to eat that person alive.

Our stupid people are taking this crap.

Talk in the same terms that a head of state is giving to you. Just ask them once, why should we continue our support to UK when its head of state views us as the enemy? Everyone will straighten up.
 
And I thought British interests were coinciding with pak's interests vis-a-vis WOT.




Obviously not ..but being a head of the state, he is privy to information, that we as net warriors don't.

Plus being from a third country..his comments can not be clubbed as nationalism.



How much more proof do you require???...and what proof do you require??

In addition to what AM said, the following points should be considered.

1. Yes, he has access to more information - but same can be said about Musharraf and MMS. And yes he is from another country, but regardless, he has interests in this war.

2. As far as proof is concerned, there isn't any so far. At least not regarding supporting for Taliban.
 
I think we must learn some lessons from India "Blame them before they blame us."
 
1. Yes, he has access to more information - but same can be said about Musharraf and MMS. And yes he is from another country, but regardless, he has interests in this war.

He is jumping on the flawed intel reports in the wikileaks saga.

we don't know that and we can't claim that.. being head of state his position comes with great responsibility.



Such that, any responsible head of the state, can not give any irresponsible comments about a 3 rd country..just for the sole purpose of sucking up to his hosts.

Nationalism no, a desire to suck up to a country while drumming up business deals and economic ties, yes. In addition, attempting to pressure Pakistan, yes.

I wonder why Pakistan does not hold, similar diplomatic clout ..despite being the "most important ally in WOT"..or some Pakistanis like to say "that Pak has America(read NATO) by their balls in Afghanistan".

There must be something seriously wrong with your diplomacy..that a
head of the state of another nation can lay unfounded claims( acc to you) on your country.


What do you mean 'how much more'? Haven't seen hardly any yet, all the recent claims about so called 'evidence' (Waldman report, wikileaks) have been debunked for being rumors, unverified and false.

2. As far as proof is concerned, there isn't any so far. At least not regarding supporting for Taliban.


C'mon man..there has been constant flow of reports now..over past few years ....wiki leaks only being the latest.. but I guess its a moot point discussing them here.
 
Pakistan has done some mistakes in the past letting talibans have a free hand in promotion of their hardline stance and run education camps in the "disguise" of madrassas. But mistakes do happen and we need to move ahead. This era of mullahism preaching has pushed Pakistan sevral years behind and I hope the government never let these people return to power.
 
I think we must learn some lessons from India "Blame them before they blame us."

No it is not blaming game.
India has suffered too much from militancy, and in last case of Mumbai, all limits were crossed. Militants were talking on satellite phone getting instruction from abroad( all well recorded).
In this world conspiracy theory do not work, end of the day one has to answer his/her conscience.
 
we don't know that and we can't claim that.. being head of state his position comes with great responsibility.



Such that, any responsible head of the state, can not give any irresponsible comments about a 3 rd country..just for the sole purpose of sucking up to his hosts.
We know exactly how much 'responsibility' two Heads of State, Bush and Blair, exercised when lying and fabricating intelligence about Iraqi WMD's and waging war against Iraq.

Enough said on 'responsibility of head of state' - either provide the evidence to back up your claims, or expect people to view those claims skeptically.

A-Jad from Iran has also, as 'head of state' accused both the US and UK of being behind terrorist attacks in Iran. What do you think about that 'head of state' allegation?

I wonder why Pakistan does not hold, similar diplomatic clout ..despite being the "most important ally in WOT"..or some Pakistanis like to say "that Pak has America(read NATO) by their balls in Afghanistan".

There must be something seriously wrong with your diplomacy..that a
head of the state of another nation can lay unfounded claims( acc to you) on your country.
His spokesperson has clarified his comments, so technically I would argue that you can see an immediate impact of the influence Pakistan has by virtue of the WoT. But as I also argued, the spineless position taken by the GoP in countering most of these statements is an issue. The GoP has to at some point decide to send strong signals to back off, and it has chosen to not do so yet, possibly out of economic concerns.
C'mon man..there has been constant flow of reports now..over past few years ....wiki leaks only being the latest.. but I guess its a moot point discussing them here.
Yeah, but that constant flow of reports has all been unsubstantiated.

In fact, when you look at these 'secret intelligence reports' and see that many Western analysts are also pointing out that most are false, made up and unverified, and then realize that these kinds of reports are the ones 'anonymous sources' feed journalists in the NYT, WaPo, WSJ etc. who have been publishing that 'constant stream of articles bashing Pakistan', then there is a strong argument that all of the material coming out based on 'intel/military sources' is highly flawed and based on flawed and unverified intel.
 
britian is loosing it!!

DAVID MILIBAND went to india and said INDIA MUST SOLVE KASHMIR after mumbai drama!! now this boy goes to india and says pakistan must stop exporting terror!

his reason is:

ECONOMY OF BRITAIN is in turmoil he needs to have india along with the Arab countries on board!
 
That was for bharti consumption so please you keep on getting happy over that.

Thanks but no thanks its not for us
Bharati consumption is considered really big in countries around the world you know..it is not something that can be ignored. So in a way you're damn right.
 
David Cameron is not the only man who said this.Mr obama had said these things many times,but you people will not gonna listen to it.probably you need to be understood one day.i guess what is going to happen after us withdrawal in 2014 !!!
 
British PM makes speech in Bangalore that comes close to endorsing the Indian government's view that the authorities in Pakistan have a hand in exporting terrorism

Nicholas Watt in Bangalore
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 28 July 2010 09.09 BST


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David Cameron gives a speech in Bangalore, India

David Cameron risked provoking a diplomatic row with Pakistan today when he came close to accusing Islamabad of exporting terrorism.

In a speech to Indian business leaders in Bangalore, the prime minister spoke of his horror when terrorists attacked Mumbai in 2008, for which Delhi blamed the Pakistani authorities.

Cameron said he had discussed the terror threat from Pakistan with the US president, Barack Obama last week. He will also discuss it tomorrow in Delhi with Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister.

He came near to endorsing India's view when he said: "We cannot tolerate in any sense the idea that this country is allowed to look both ways and is able, in any way, to promote the export of terror, whether to India or whether to Afghanistan or anywhere else in the world.

"That is why this relationship is important. It should be a relationship based on a very clear message: that it is not right to have any relationship with groups that are promoting terror. Democratic states that want to be part of the developed world cannot do that. The message to Pakistan from the US and the UK is very clear on that point."

Britain has spoken in the past of the terror threat that emerges from Pakistan. Gordon Brown said that a majority of terror threat to Britain emerged from the border areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

But the prime minister's language this morning suggested that he was coming close to endorsing the Indian view that the authorities in Pakistan have a hand in the terror. The leaked military documents from Afghanistan this week suggested that Pakistan's ISI has encouraged the Taliban.

The prime minister stood by his remarks when he appeared on Radio 4's Today programme this morning a few minutes after delivering his speech. "The point I was simply making in response to a question is we have to be clear in our dealings with the Pakistanis, as we are and as the Americans are, that it is unacceptable for any support to be given from within Pakistan for any terrorist organisations that export terror."

Asked whether Pakistan exports terrorism, Cameron said: "I choose my words very carefully, which is that it is unacceptable for anything to happen within Pakistan that is about supporting terrorism elsewhere.

"It is well documented that that has been the case in the past and it is an issue that we have to make sure that the Pakistan authorities are not looking two ways. They must only look one way and that is to a democratic and stable Pakistan that can have good relations with a democratic and stable Afghanistan."

Asked again whether there are elements in Pakistani intelligence that support terrorism, he said: "I have said what I've said. But to be fair there has been big progress in Pakistan in terms of targeting terror and terrorists in Pakistan."

The prime minister told his audience in India that Britain and India have been united in suffering from terrorism which originates in Pakistan.

"Five years ago, 52 people were killed on the tube and on a bus in London," Cameron said. "In November 2008, we watched in horror as terrorists went on the rampage in Mumbai, killing scores of Indians and three British nationals. As you know, we worked with your government in the investigation into these events. We remain determined that those responsible must be brought to justice.

"We – like you – are determined that groups like the Taliban, the Haqqani network or Lakshar e Taiba should not be allowed to launch attacks on Indian and British citizens in India or in Britain. Nor against our people, whether soldiers or civilians, from both our countries who are working for peace in Afghanistan."

A Downing Street spokeswoman said that the prime minister was not accusing the Pakistan government of exporting terrorism.

"The prime minister is not saying the Pakistan government is a sponsor of terrorism. But he is saying, and has said previously, that the Pakistan government needs to do more to shut terror groups down."

But No 10 declined to say whether other elements of the Pakistan state – the ISI service or the military – export terrorism. Cameron said in his Today programme interview that he was choosing his words carefully because Britain believes there is a distinction between the government of Pakistan and some state agencies.

Pakistan must not be allowed to promote export of terror, says David Cameron | World news | guardian.co.uk


David Cameron: Pakistan is promoting the ‘export of terror’
David Cameron has risked inflaming international relations after suggesting Pakistan is promoting the ‘export of terror’ in Afghanistan and around the world.
David Cameron: Pakistan is promoting the ‘export of terror’ - Telegraph
Those are bloody strong words from a person of PM stature. Guess the Labour Party romance with liberal support of radicalism is over. Time for a lot of changes. :lol:
 
oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh:eek: Im scaredddddddddd!!!!:lol:

Thanks Mr.PM for enlightening the world with your knowledge!!!:lol:

When he'll come to Pakistan his words are going to be:
"We acknowledge the sacrifices that Pakistan has given in the name of WOT, it has suffered, it has lost many precious lifes both civilian and army, Pakistan is one our key allies on this war. We cannot win without Pakistani support. We appreciate their efforts for fighting back the cancer of terrorism and their army has achieved alot in this regard"

after that.....
:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

Then he will whisper to his colleagues, either

[see they are all fools (Indians & Pakistanis)!!!]

or

[see how famous I AM!!!]

Game over.
Claps from India Claps from Pakistan. Job done. Now back to Pavilion
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oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh:eek: Im scaredddddddddd!!!!:lol:

Thanks Mr.PM for enlightening the world with your knowledge!!!:lol:

When he'll come to Pakistan his words are going to be:
"We acknowledge the sacrifices that Pakistan has given in the name of WOT, it has suffered, it has lost many precious lifes both civilian and army, Pakistan is one our key allies on this war. We cannot win without Pakistani support. We appreciate their efforts for fighting back the cancer of terrorism and their army has achieved alot in this regard"

after that.....
:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

Then he will whisper to his colleagues, either

[see they are all fools (Indians & Pakistanis)!!!]

or

[see how famous I AM!!!]

Game over.
Claps from India Claps from Pakistan. Job done. Now back to Pavilion
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All these deals are two-way beneficial, man. Otherwise, the losing country would never sign up. Simply put, we get to have a stronger leverage on the UK with significant investments and business development.

You think we bank way too emotionally. But we Indians aren't very emotional when it comes to business and don't put eggs in one basket. It is good to have Britain say what we want to hear and good to get what we want from them while they get similar benefits.

This isn't 1870s where they can "divide and rule". Because we're already 2 different countries now.
 
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