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Cambodia Wants China as Its Neighborhood Bully

We know China makes the every effort to contain Vietnam and would go over the top if Cambodia question is raised again. Be sure we will never repeat the mistake. Next time if the Cambodians go to the abyss we won't help them.


Bilateral relationship is not at its best but I wouldn't say China has any plan to "contain" Vietnam, there is no need to do it. Need breeds motive, then action. Anyway I wish hate replaced by cool minds, only till then things can get productive between Cambodia, Vietnam as well as China.
 
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You see the provinces in different colors? This is Khmer Krom, or lower Khmer in the article. These provinces used to be under Khmer Kings, who were under Siamese protection. Siamese failed to protect these provinces from Vietnam in Siam -Vietnam War. The result of war ended in indecisive stalemate, with Vietnamese upper hand. Later, all Vietnam and Cambodia's land were lost from indigenous people to French colonialist forming a new country called Frensh Indochina Colony.
 
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You see the provinces in different colors? This is Khmer Krom, or lower Khmer in the article. These provinces used to be under Khmer Kings, who were under Siamese protection. Siamese failed to protect these provinces from Vietnam in Siam -Vietnam War. The result of war ended in indecisive stalemate, with Vietnamese upper hand. Later, all Vietnam and Cambodia's land were lost from indigenous people to French colonialist forming a new country called Frensh Indochina Colony.
correction: your country Siam had not existed until the Chinese assisted you in creating it. the Vietnam-Siam war ended in our favour, hence Siam is reduced to a much smaller size as it reached during her height.
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Sometimes it won't post in PDF, I don't know why, I was trying to post the same article but it just won't post.

Chinese mod does know that: when Chine spread hatred to Viet-Cam relation, China does not get benefit from that tactic. Do you know why ?

even in the Khmer communities of the United States.

Many of these donations go straight into the coffers of the Cambodia National Rescue Party (CNRP), the opposition to Hun Sen’s ruling regime. The CNRP faces a stacked deck when squaring off against hostile authorities, but anti-Vietnamese agitation is a game they can’t lose. When the Vietnamese overthrew the Khmer Rouge, the man they chose to head their new puppet regime was none other than Hun Sen. The party he now heads is a direct descendant of the party the Vietnamese created to rule Cambodia. While Westerners sometimes call Hun Sen a Chinese puppet, his domestic enemies are far more likely to attack him as a Vietnamese figurehead.

His regime’s abuses are regularly blamed on Vietnamese designs — I have friends who insist that the soldiers who broke up the January 2014 election protests were all Viet — and everything from the prime minister’s fluency in Vietnamese to his refusal to deport all ethnic Vietnamese from Cambodia is used as irrefutable proof of his traitorous intent.

There is a kernel of truth behind these accusations. Hun Sen has worked hard to nip anti-Vietnamese sentiment before it grows to explosive (or violent) levels, and he has proven extremely hesitant to rock the boat with his old — and far more powerful — patrons in Hanoi.

Hun Sen no longer tolerates organized attempts to use anti-Vietnamese rhetoric against him. Last month, in response to a 2016 CNRP media campaign designed to expose Vietnamese incursions into Cambodian territory, Sam Rainsy, former head of the CNRP, and Sok Hor, a CNRP senator, were sentenced to five and seven years in jail, respectively. Likewise, Hanoi still has a powerful voice in Cambodian affairs. The Vietnamese state-owned enterprise Viettel operates the only Cambodian telecom company whose coverage reaches across the entire country, Phnom Penh constantly needles away at boosting cross-border trade and investment with Vietnam, illegal Vietnamese logging and smuggling operations are tacitly sanctioned by the government, and with the occasional diplomatic warning aside, the government turns a blind eye to Vietnamese construction near the areas where the two countries’ border has not been clearly demarcated.

However, Viet-Cambodian relations are no longer what journalist Sebastian Strangio labeled the “quasi-colonial relationship” of Hun Sen’s early years. Hun Sen is no longer accompanied by Vietnamese minders while on government business, nor must he report his decisions to Vietnamese commanders. It is within this context that Sino-Cambodian relations must be understood. In geopolitical terms, Beijing’s flowering relationship with Phnom Penh is a powerful check on Cambodia’s neighbors.

The United States, a longtime ally of the Thais and newfound courter of Vietnamese affection, could not be trusted to put Cambodian interests above the other powers in the region. In Beijing, the Cambodians see a more reliable great power — an ally that not only has a fractious relationship with Cambodia’s traditional enemy, but one that has demonstrated a willingness to go to war with that country to preserve a favorable balance of power in Southeast Asia. Indeed, the last war China waged was not only against the Vietnamese, it was against them in defense of Cambodia. Beijing’s decision to send troops across Vietnam’s northern border as the bulk of the Vietnamese army was fighting an insurgency in Cambodia, and then to keep a threatening military presence on that border through the next decade, badly hampered the Vietnamese push to become the premier armed power in Southeast Asia. For Cambodia, the strategic benefits of friendship with China could not be clearer. Playing spoiler in ASEAN meetings is a small price to pay to guarantee this friendship.

In Cambodian terms, Hun Sen’s decision to tilt Cambodian foreign policy toward Beijing is quite moderate. Other voices in Cambodian politics advocate even closer ties to China in hopes of generating more leverage vis-à-vis the Vietnamese. Rainsy declared in 2014 to a group of CNRP party supporters that his party is “on the side of China, and we support China in fighting against Vietnam over the South China Sea issue. … The islands belong to China, but the Viets are trying to occupy them, because the Viets are very bad.” He would later defend these comments in a post on his Facebook page, arguing, “when it comes to ensuring the survival of Cambodia as an independent nation, there is a saying as old as the world: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

The CNRP, acutely aware of its image in Western circles, has since distanced itself from Rainsy’s comments, but his logic is solid. If Vietnam truly does threaten the sovereignty of Cambodia, closer relations with China is a geopolitical imperative. Cambodia’s politicians have depended, since French colonialism if not earlier, on foreign sponsors. But being tarred as a friend of the Vietnamese is the most toxic slur in Cambodian politics. For Hun Sen or Rainsy, leaning toward China doesn’t send a message of dependence on Beijing, but of hostility toward Hanoi.

Even radical changes in Cambodia’s internal politics are unlikely to produce a revolution in Cambodia’s foreign relations. Hun Sen’s patronage machine requires huge influxes of money to maintain. China provides that. It does so without asking Hun Sen to protect the liberties of average Cambodians in return. But even if the machine were to fall apart and the opposition were to rise to power, Cambodia’s new leaders would face strong political pressure to give Beijing pride of place.

Cambodia is a small country tucked between its historical enemies. The grip anti-Vietnamese sentiment has on the Cambodian masses only strengthens this geopolitical anxiety. As long as Cambodian nationalism defines itself in opposition to the Vietnamese, Cambodian politicians will never stop searching for a great power that can stand as a bulwark against Vietnam. For the foreseeable future, that country will be China. Next to this, the perceived balance of power between China and the United States will never be anything more than a sideshow.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/05/cambodia-wants-china-as-its-neighborhood-bully/

what do you mean about Thai-Cam conflict at border recently ?
 
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The United States, a longtime ally of the Thais and newfound courter of Vietnamese affection, could not be trusted to put Cambodian interests above the other powers in the region. In Beijing, the Cambodians see a more reliable great power — an ally that not only has a fractious relationship with Cambodia’s traditional enemy, but one that has demonstrated a willingness to go to war with that country to preserve a favorable balance of power in Southeast Asia. Indeed, the last war China waged was not only against the Vietnamese, it was against them in defense of Cambodia. Beijing’s decision to send troops across Vietnam’s northern border as the bulk of the Vietnamese army was fighting an insurgency in Cambodia, and then to keep a threatening military presence on that border through the next decade, badly hampered the Vietnamese push to become the premier armed power in Southeast Asia. For Cambodia, the strategic benefits of friendship with China could not be clearer. Playing spoiler in ASEAN meetings is a small price to pay to guarantee this friendship.

This tell us everything :coffee:
 
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China has historically been the balancing power in the region, while Viet still harbour the ambition over Mekong delta as demonstrated by number of Vietnamese posters. Even Malay were wary of their expansion. US focused on the containment of China without knowing the historical background of the region will only achieve the opposite.
 
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That's very blunt and tactless,don't know Cambodians hate Vietnam so much.

Japan and China had a few wars that lasted for a few decade and we never forgot it. The Cambodians and Vietnamese have been at it for thousands of years.
 
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China has historically been the balancing power in the region, while Viet still harbour the ambition over Mekong delta as demonstrated by number of Vietnamese posters. Even Malay were wary of their expansion. US focused on the containment of China without knowing the historical background of the region will only achieve the opposite.

To be honest, I think US does know. (Well, whether Trump knows it is another story entirely) It is more like US knows China will balance the region. By tipping over the scale, China may spend more effort and waste more resource on balancing the region.

Historical reaction shows that at Vietnam's height of power in late 70s, US supported China's containment of Vietnam. Heck, judging by the reaction, USSR also didn't mind China systematically destroying one of its allies----all because said ally was getting too bold and ambitious for everyone else.
 
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Recall how conservative Americans talked about the Soviet Union at the height of communist power, add the way their counterparts in modern Europe discuss Arab immigration now, and then throw in a dash of the humiliation that marked Germany in interwar years, and then you might come close to getting a fair idea of how wild and vitriolic a force anti-Vietnamese rhetoric is in Cambodian politics.

Wow, this is pretty intense. Can't blame them though. Without the intervention of China in 1979, Cambodia might have ceased to exist as an independent nation, so might have Laos.
 
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Vietnam and Cambodia have an uneasy relationship. though I have sympathy for the hatred of the Cambodians on everything Vietnamese, which has a long story to tell here, but history shows Cambodia is better off with Vietnam than China, Thailand and western powers in the long run and it´s survival of Cambodia as nation.


And history will show that Vietnam is better off with Greater China than as an independent country. :enjoy:
 
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Stop this stupid thread, guys. Mekong area nations would better to cooperate close with each others.
 
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And history will show that Vietnam is better off with Greater China than as an independent country. :enjoy:
Not returning to China empire as the old way, but doing a doable way. by copy the Germans. They know every tricks. China and Vietnam sign a military and a economic pact. A non aggression pact like Hitler with Stalin, a economic pact like Germany with other European countries. China has the free hand in east Asia but obliges to support Vietnam to get to the level of military and economic might of Japan. I think that is a good deal for you. You get what you want. Becoming the boss of east Asia and sidelining America.

Deal? :D
 
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