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Calling all the engineers out here!

I'm telling you from the consumer end, and that Rs 12 is the govt substituted price here. If you're planning for your own solar power facility, prices will be around 30-40% higher. And add the cost of battery maintenance and replacement (every 4-5 years) with that cost.

Thank you for the info. What I am looking at is, to switch over to the solar generated energy completely and do not have to rely on WAPDA at all, I am in a process of constructing a new house and can spend a reasonable amount over it.
 
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I'm considering all my options but the situation I am in, it seems that the solar power is the only solution for the time being.

That may be so. But do consider the other options too. Especially w.r.t regard to minimising the load. The results may be (pleasantly) surprising.
 
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Thank you for the info. What I am looking at is, to switch over to the solar generated energy completely and do not have to rely on WAPDA at all, I am in a process of constructing a new house and can spend a reasonable amount over it.

This is interesting. Then you have far greater scope for incorpating new and workable ideas. If power is requirement for cooling the house, then design the house to minimise the requirement. Heating/Cooling Electrical appliances impose the greatest load. Fall back even on traditional elements of house design to mitigate that. How did our forebears in India try to keep their houses cool during hot North Indian summers? Without air-conditioning! Many of those ideas are workable even now.
 
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Thank you for the info. What I am looking at is, to switch over to the solar generated energy completely and do not have to rely on WAPDA at all, I am in a process of constructing a new house and can spend a reasonable amount over it.

For household applications, 2-3 KW/H should be just good. I'll advise you to invest in the higher capacity batteries.
 
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For household applications, 2-3 KW/H should be just good. I'll advise you to invest in the higher capacity batteries.

True that. But so far I have not been able to find any company who could provide me a solar generator according to my requirements here in Pakistan so I am still searching.
 
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5 KVA for home use solar generator is abit big aim. You would probably need more than 700 square feet of flat space to install solar panels to draw such a high amount of power as most of solar panels available just generate something between 100 to 200 watts per square meter during sunny hours. I assume that you might also want to have battery backup to save some for night as well. At any rate it is going to be very expensive to install so many solar panels as panels are very expensive even the low quality Chinese ones. Solar power is good for low power applications. I would suggest you to look into natural gas generators, specially those made by good companies eg this one. They last for years and if you maintain them very good, then for decades. The best system for household power, would perhaps combine a high output UPS and a natural gas generator. You can add to this system some solar panels to augment it but it would be very difficult to run the entire household on solar panels specially if you use high power applications eg. refrigerators, washing machine, microwave, air conditioning etc.

If I was you, then I would go for a microturbine which is much more compact and less noisy with high power output. These new microturbine generators are really wonders. They can supply the entire house with stable electricity the year round, and are versatile and can run on natural gas, LPG and even diesel. The cost of electricity they produce is less than a quarter of that supplied by WAPDA.
 
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actually there are many in lahore who install solar pannels..
siemens pakistan also used to do this.
 
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True that. But so far I have not been able to find any company who could provide me a solar generator according to my requirements here in Pakistan so I am still searching.

I'd have gone for more custom made solutions, that'll not only save cost but will also serve the purpose better.
 
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5 KVA for home use solar generator is abit big aim. You would probably need more than 700 square feet of flat space to install solar panels to draw such a high amount of power as most of solar panels available just generate something between 100 to 200 watts per square meter during sunny hours. I assume that you might also want to have battery backup to save some for night as well. At any rate it is going to be very expensive to install so many solar panels as panels are very expensive even the low quality Chinese ones. Solar power is good for low power applications. I would suggest you to look into natural gas generators, specially those made by good companies eg this one. They last for years and if you maintain them very good, then for decades. The best system for household power, would perhaps combine a high output UPS and a natural gas generator. You can add to this system some solar panels to augment it but it would be very difficult to run the entire household on solar panels specially if you use high power applications eg. refrigerators, washing machine, microwave, air conditioning etc.

If I was you, then I would go for a microturbine which is much more compact and less noisy with high power output. These new microturbine generators are really wonders. They can supply the entire house with stable electricity the year round, and are versatile and can run on natural gas, LPG and even diesel. The cost of electricity they produce is less than a quarter of that supplied by WAPDA.

Hi,

Thanks for the info but I already have a 5 kva gas generator installed already but that too doesn't work for 4 days a week due to gas load shedding :cry:
 
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Definitely, I read this article on dawn yesterday and it helped me a lot. As I am planning a new house, i want it to be small but energy efficient..This article below gave me a lot of new ideas to minimise the load as you have said.

The house that Jack built – part II | Entertainment | DAWN.COM

Read through (little cursorily) the link that you've quoted. Some of the ideas are good, but a little contemporary in direction. For starters, that idea of spraying an insulation is good, but I don't know how much it'll cost. Alternative plan- if you are using a RCC framed method of construction then consider "cavity walls" on the outside. These are walls (in parallel) of single brick thickness with a small air-gap between them. This replicates the "four foot thick wall" that is written about at the beginning, without being nowhere nearly as thick. After all with land prices climbing, one does'nt want to even lose a "postage stamp size" area of floor space. In Rajasthan (back in the good old days) they even flowed water into the cavity in summer! But that would be highly impractical now!

About the 20ft high ceilings, now even that is an impracticality. However one could consider raising the roof on one (or more?) side of a non-airconditioned part of the house to 15+ft or so and incorporating a vent to naturally exhaust hot-air through it . That might even help to give the house an interesting elevation from the outside.

Painting the roof is a good idea, but will need repititive maintenance. Another idea to reflect heat of the roof (a traditional one) was to lay out small bits and pieces of broken glazed tiles into cement on the roof. This was traditionally called "kowdi-kaam" in some parts of India. Though they used broken pieces of crockery initially! The material can be bought by the bagful at rock-bottom prices (since its junk anyway) and after installation is maintenance free. Though one caveat: if your area has decent rainfall, then make sure that the water-proofing on the roof is done well, since you do not want to uproot it the "kowdi" layer to repair it later.

Put most of (or your largest) windows on the North face. Minimise openings on other sides or have shaded awnings on those windows to reduce radiated heat (glare). In the old days, houses had shaded open corridors aka "verandas" running around the house which reduced radiated heat hugely, but may not be practical now. Another feature of old houses was the central open courtyard called the "aangan" It got direct sunlight only for a short part of the day since the structure shaded it most of the time. This feature may be worth re-inventing in a more contemporary and workable form, as it can become a central location where the family and friends can gather together and sit out, even with a barbecue! But its only an idea.

Trees have a great role in shading the property from heat and some-times even as a wind-breaker. Can be used very effectively. According to me, planting a "neem" tree in the sub-continent is a must as it helps to keep insects and pests at bay. :D And there is a long held belief that it helps to keep residents healthy, though I can't say much about that.
 
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Hi,

Thanks for the info but I already have a 5 kva gas generator installed already but that too doesn't work for 4 days a week due to gas load shedding :cry:

Oh, I see. But I have heard gas load shedding happens only in winter and not in summer when electricity is more in demand. Anyways, I guess then if you had a bi-fuel generator that runs on natural and another fuel like petrol then things would be more versatile. You can do another thing. Get a high out put UPS like those ones that can supply 5 KVA with probably 15 KVA of battery capacity. It would be expensive but then it can get you through the winter. For summer you can use both the UPS as well as an automatic gas generator which automatically starts up when mains electricity goes down. One of my friend had installed such a gas generator and he was happy with it. Though his was a locally made one, with 30 KVA capacity. Basically what they had done was taking out a Corolla 86 engine and made a generator out of that run on gas. It was a monster and could light up the entire big house with 4 air conditioning units and every thing else running on it. And the big side was that it was cheap. If you do not have gas load shedding during summer, you should consider an automatic gas generator and a high output UPS for winter when gas load shedding is there.

Read through (little cursorily) the link that you've quoted. Some of the ideas are good, but a little contemporary in direction. For starters, that idea of spraying an insulation is good, but I don't know how much it'll cost. Alternative plan- if you are using a RCC framed method of construction then consider "cavity walls" on the outside. These are walls (in parallel) of single brick thickness with a small air-gap between them. This replicates the "four foot thick wall" that is written about at the beginning, without being nowhere nearly as thick. After all with land prices climbing, one does'nt want to even lose a "postage stamp size" area of floor space. In Rajasthan (back in the good old days) they even flowed water into the cavity in summer! But that would be highly impractical now!

About the 20ft high ceilings, now even that is an impracticality. However one could consider raising the roof on one (or more?) side of a non-airconditioned part of the house to 15+ft or so and incorporating a vent to naturally exhaust hot-air through it . That might even help to give the house an interesting elevation from the outside.

Painting the roof is a good idea, but will need repititive maintenance. Another idea to reflect heat of the roof (a traditional one) was to lay out small bits and pieces of broken glazed tiles into cement on the roof. This was traditionally called "kowdi-kaam" in some parts of India. Though they used broken pieces of crockery initially! The material can be bought by the bagful at rock-bottom prices (since its junk anyway) and after installation is maintenance free. Though one caveat: if your area has decent rainfall, then make sure that the water-proofing on the roof is done well, since you do not want to uproot it the "kowdi" layer to repair it later.

Put most of (or your largest) windows on the North face. Minimise openings on other sides or have shaded awnings on those windows to reduce radiated heat (glare). In the old days, houses had shaded open corridors aka "verandas" running around the house which reduced radiated heat hugely, but may not be practical now. Another feature of old houses was the central open courtyard called the "aangan" It got direct sunlight only for a short part of the day since the structure shaded it most of the time. This feature may be worth re-inventing in a more contemporary and workable form, as it can become a central location where the family and friends can gather together and sit out, even with a barbecue! But its only an idea.

Trees have a great role in shading the property from heat and some-times even as a wind-breaker. Can be used very effectively. According to me, planting a "neem" tree in the sub-continent is a must as it helps to keep insects and pests at bay. :D And there is a long held belief that it helps to keep residents healthy, though I can't say much about that.

Yeah, the ideas in that article is good. But the article is about conserving energy. The problem here is producing it. Though conservation helps to cut down on production, but if you do not have any energy to begin, there is not much to conserve either. He needs a stable, cheap and dependable system that can supply him energy year round.
 
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I have done some research over this and provided tens of suggesstions but end of the day over government is not serious to solve this crisis and anyone looking for funding has to go through a lot of loops and kickbacks eventually you will end up with peanuts which are not enough for funding. I opened an energy company in Year 2009 and after loosing few lacs ruppes in unproductive salaries and red tape I have enough of it..

Solar panels are a failure to meet energy needs.

A good solution to solving energy crisis would be to develop home grown fuels..mostly bio fuels like jatropha oil and then develop micro power stations in the range of 5kW - 25kW for utilizing them. Lister clone engines are very suitable as they can burn any kind of fuel including waste animal fat.

Instead of solar panels, consider something like this

 
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