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CALIPHATE'S LAST YEAR (1923 PHOTOS of ISTANBUL)

I don't see him as "traitor" as he didn't actually rule the Empire until its dissolution. If there is a blame game, party in the power would win.

guess this explains why

Zâtışâhâne, İngiltere'nin koruyuculuğuna sığınarak bir İngiliz harp gemisiyle İstanbul'dan ayrılmıştır...

İmza:
Harrington

Atatrk Aratrma Merkezi

translation: his highness, taking refuge in the guardianship of England, left istanbul with British battleship.

Harrington
 
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guess this explains why

Zâtışâhâne, İngiltere'nin koruyuculuğuna sığınarak bir İngiliz harp gemisiyle İstanbul'dan ayrılmıştır...

İmza:
Harrington

Atatrk Aratrma Merkezi

translation: his highness, taking refuge in the guardianship of England, left istanbul with British battleship.

Harrington
This still doesn't prove anything about him being a traitor, also there is no justification needed to call someone as "traitor", you can label everyone else the way you like. Unless you agree that there are gray areas in life only thing we can do here is throw accusations which prevents achieving a resolution.
 
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If there is a blame game, party in the power would win.

I believe in your sincerity! but still

(labeling everyone-gray areas in life-throwing accusations) please can we just skip the drama part!
and straw man fallacy!

I never usesd any signifier I guess! did I ?

or One supposed winner! as you did!

all I have done was by remaining in existence within the confines of your game, I maintained that the way you play the game is not enough to explain a "minor" issue (Harrington)!

among others off course!

for instance on 24 may 1920 Ataturk's and on may 27 1920 Fevzi Cakmak's executions have been approved by "his highness"!!! the list of these "minor" issues is quite long! Nevertheless, it seems still its a kind of puzzle for some people here! and someone has to give them the pieces!

now they got two pieces! if they need more they will get more!
 
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I have a question. Why turkish people love ataturk who destroyed the empire and khilafa?

Majority of common people of Turkey thinks that Ataturk was a great muslim.. education system was based on her praise since 80 years.. But it changing now.. Therefore people love Mustafa Kamal.. But feel sametime that some things going the wrong.. Kamalist regime put the protection law for Ataturk to the constitution.. Nobody dared to criticism Ataturk until 10 years ago.. But Turkish people -especialy new generation- learn the facts fastly.. Ices of Kamalism melting fastly.. Don't wory, Kamalism now, strongly criticized by the intellectuels and people.. Kamalism has become the second class in Turkey :) Alhamdulillah..

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After reading the thread and posts it is very sad to see that many people like to swim in the pool of ignorance about Turkish history and Ataturk's great revolutions.

Besides it is really annoying and disgusting to see that a very few of them do it by purpose and cheating others for the dream of their personal interests with the political designs of the imperialists ,where there will be no future for millions and millions of decent, innocent ordinary muslim believers of working class, but imaginary and fake promised heavens of earth for traitors so called religious authorities, and their disgusting collaborators.

But what can I say is, dream on parasites dream on and as the great singer Bob Marley said;
You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time ...
 
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Can anyone explain me how a member become a full member with only 50-60 posts? Favor ???
 
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After reading the thread and posts it is very sad to see that many people like to swim in the pool of ignorance about Turkish history and Ataturk's great revolutions.

Besides it is really annoying and disgusting to see that a very few of them do it by purpose and cheating others for the dream of their personal interests with the political designs of the imperialists ,where there will be no future for millions and millions of decent, innocent ordinary muslim believers of working class, but imaginary and fake promised heavens of earth for traitors so called religious authorities, and their disgusting collaborators.

But what can I say is, dream on parasites dream on and as the great singer Bob Marley said;
You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time ...

Do you not see the obvious contradiction? If you are referring to AKP and that they "use" religion as a tool, you are deceiving yourself, nothing else. If the current government were indeed using Islam as a cover then how can you explain their islamic roots and the progress the country has been in the past decade. I am sometimes wondering. Do you honestly believe in the things you write yourself? It is indeed easy to write in a language that attracts feelings, but where is the hard truth?

Decent innocent ordinary believers of working class you say. If you honestly have the slightest respect for those people you talk about, then how can you explain the past policies of Turkey which restricted these decent muslims in practicing their religion (banning muslim women entering universities, banning the azan in in Arabic)? If you want to be taken seriously you should not hide behind simple ignorant statements. Ataturks great revolution was nothing else than introducing secularism and banning Islam from the face of the earth. His final vision was that Turkey could become as "enlightened" as Europe. That is the only reason he banished arabic, introduced secular system, banned fez, introduced that hat law and much more. If you talk about being anti-imperialism, then why on earth are you trying to replicate them? You become their copies and at the same time want to be independent. Talk about ignorance and contradictory statements?
 
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kemal-ataturk.jpg


Mustafa Kemal was born in Salonika.. And Salonika city has the largest Jewish population of Ottoman Land..
And we don't have the family tree of Mustafa Kemal.. Even no one knows his grandfather in real..!!!
Archives about him are closed and will not open !!! :)

Arkadasim.....

why are you accusing him and even your former Army Chief of being jewish or jewish-controlled? This is wrong.


by the way, he was secular minded but doesnt mean he wasn't a Muslim.....otherwise why would he keep the name ''Mustafa''



Kusura bakmayın
 
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Arkadasim.....
why are you accusing him and even your former Army Chief of being jewish or jewish-controlled? This is wrong.
by the way, he was secular minded but doesnt mean he wasn't a Muslim.....otherwise why would he keep the name ''Mustafa''

Kusura bakmayın

All jews use the muslim and turkish names in Turkey.. Ok.. like you said.. All of them great muslims and they service Islam.. Is it ok now?
A man who prohibit Quran, Azaan and Islam but still can be a muslim.. Is it?
 
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All jews use the muslim and turkish names in Turkey.. Ok.. like you said.. All of them great muslims and they service Islam.. Is it ok now?
A man who prohibit Quran, Azaan and Islam but still can be a muslim.. Is it?

51 - The Scatterers, Holy Quran

10. Cursed be the liars,
11. Who are in a gulf (of ignorance) neglectful
 
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entertaning :pop:



prohibited Azaan?

so you think Allah has a language? you think Arabic is Holly? or Hebrew ?

during his time Kuran has been translated into Turkish by elmalili hamdi as well! may be you are not aware of it but this place is called Turkiye and most of the people know and use Turkish as their mother tongue! except your species normal people who has a functioning brain seeks to understand what they read or listen! :lol:

your homework

study some Farabi and Ibn-i Rust
 
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Is this topic really related with defense in any aspect?
do not make such posts, which only consume time and energy...
just idle propaganda...

in short 'BSG'...
 
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Just a question, is it even possible for your imbecile brain to converse in a human manner, without insults? You just proved again how imbecile you are. Look at your post, the only things you write is what is to be expected by a 12 year old.

You are talking about hate, but look again at your post, then look at mine. Who brings in the kindergarden? Just because you are absolutely unable to answer my questions doesn't mean you have to behave like a total imbecile. In the end, you just one more time proved how stupid it was of me to take a total ignorant imbecile guy like you seriously. You only bring ignorance, idiocy, stupid insults and comments which can only be expected by you and your kinds.

By the way, at least people who thank my posts are not people who directly curses, insults and threatens me and my family with kemalist insult mechanisms. Your autothanker (redbeard) as a kemalist just showed your true color by constantly thretatening to rape me and my family and murder them. But a low person like you who has seen his posts in this very forum does not have the manner, courage or dignity to distance yourself from him. Even after witnissing such insults.

But then again, looking at your kindergarten posts, i don't expect anything from you.


Sen ve senin gibi düsünenlerin akillari zaten belli. Bebeklik ve bebek oyunlari getirmeye gerek yok. Ne mal oldugunu zaten yazinla herkes görüyor. Adam gibi cevap yazmasini bilmiyorsan, cevap yazma insanin sinirini bozma. Ben senin gibi sacma sapan bebekliklere aliskin degilim. Biraz insan olun insan, eger insanligi ögrenemediyseniz buradan kaybolun. Sizin yüzüznüzden kac gündür dogru düzgün bir sey konusamiyoz bu forumda. Mal gibi gelip o bebekliklerini yazmaya gerek yok. Acik acik, eger yazdiklarimla kafan uyusmuyorsa ozaman normal bir insan gibi cevap ver. vermesini bilmiyorsan git youtuba oradaki kemalistlerin yazdiklari sana daha uygun gelir.

Slanders and insullts in English is not enough for your pathehtic hatred, so you continued your insults and slanders in Turkish??
Shame on you Zulky, shame on you.

P.S.You may continue in Danish if you'll feel more comfortable to describe your hatred, I guess it was your mother tongue, right?
 
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