Busting the Muslim myth that WoT has damaged the U.S!

[bronxbull]

India need not do that.

We can do enough operations within our ow country and then see what happens.

 

[karan.1970]

It is not the cheapest war.

Look at America's economy before the war, and after the war.

Before the war, America had a big trade surplus and not much debt. After the war, America has the world's biggest trade deficit, and $15 trillion in national debt. Which is more than the rest of the world combined.

You need to distinguish between correlation and causation.. One does not imply the other..

So, You don't know????

Currency Paper is made from cotton & linen

Didnt know that either.. Is it just the greenback or all paper currencies ?

 

[Windjammer]

No one bodes ill for the American public, we consider 9/11 was a crime against humanity, however it's the American policies that leave little to desire.....there was a period, almost every country either wanted to be like America or with America but now even the old allies would rather keep you at an arms length..... take the first Gulf war for example, if another such a scenario takes place, one wonders, how many countries will now join the American bandwagon.

 

[gambit]

You need to distinguish between correlation and causation.. One does not imply the other..

You are confusing the Mao out of the Chinese members here. Let them believe that correlation equals causation. After all, they are conscript rejects, capable only of repeating whatever scripts their 50-cent army shift stupor-visor assigned for the day.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

OK, I see many people, specially Muslims, discussing , rather "mental-masturbating", that how war on terror has caused U.S trillions and how Al Qaeda/Taliban have successfully "defeated" the mighty U.S etc etc..

This thread is a reality checker..sorry to break your hearts...but we haven't lost anything even slightly near to called as "much"...


War on terror has caused the deaths of millions of Muslims...destruction of two Muslim nations...havoc in Pakistan and Yemen etc...a total disaster for Muslim world. How can, then, someone, specially Muslims, claim that U.S lost the war? We just lost ~ 5,000 soldiers in TEN YEARS of wars in two countries...We spent VERY LESS on this war ...This is the point many don't take into account...

Yes, U.S has spent 1 trillion on the war...but for past ten years, U.S is only spending just 1% (or even less) of its GDP on the war..which is actually VERY,VERY CHEAP. U.S spent 35% of its GDP at the height of WWII.

During Vietnam war, U.S spent 2.3% of its GDP at the peak of the war and also lost a whooping 60,000 of its troops. Now compare this to Al Qaeda's war...

Even Vietnam war was 10X more lethal for the U.S and our economy, but yet we only came out of that war stronger. What makes people think that U.S is "falling" now?

Actually, war on terror is probably THE CHEAPEST war U.S has ever fought..

Cost of major U.S wars throughout history- fas report

Sorry, but our enemies should not "mental-masturbate" that Al Qaeda has inflicted some heavy damage on the states..or that U.S is falling because of this war, or that U.S is losing this war etc..Some people like Michael Sheuer are there to do exactly this propaganda in U.S media. They will tell American audiences "Omg, Al Qaeda is big danger..U.S is losing the war" , which only pumps Americans more to fight! So this serves CIA a good propaganda purpose..but many people see such videos and feel "happy" that U.S is facing trouble, whereas U.S is just chillin.....Reality is that U.S is just getting many jobs from these wars and profiting while hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being killed also. (Sorry for the last line, but harsh truth).

Sorry average Muslims should work AGAINST Al Qaeda that is only hurting Islamic interests and nothing more...

Just three word ie American Usual Propaganda.
Nothing serious. Its not only Muslims but now entire world has started accept that Fact, even some EU countries too.

 

[Audio]

It is not the cheapest war.

Look at America's economy before the war, and after the war.

Before the war, America had a big trade surplus and not much debt. After the war, America has the world's biggest trade deficit, and $15 trillion in national debt. Which is more than the rest of the world combined.

mr. economist, you might want to check when American borrowing started..

 

[Jungibaaz]

No matter how much USA lost No matter what was the cost of war,


USA made one point very clear to OBL and his supporter, "If you scratch USA, USA will get your ball out and throw you in Indian Ocean"!

Mission accomplish for USA. I like American and Israeli stand on terrorism, God only knows when India will learn .

Mission accomplished?
Gimme a break!

2001: Objectives

-Destroy Al Qaeda in Afghanistan (a few hundred of them at best).

Then came the spread of Al Qaeda, the fight against the taliban and other fighting factions, the spread of the war to the rest of the Muslim world.

2013:Objectives

-Deal with with tens of thousands of Taliban, Haqqani and other groups.
-Still deal with Al Qaeda presence in Afghanistan.
-Deal with Al Qaeda in Pakistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria and so on.

OBL was just a poster child for Al Qaeda. Even after his death, Al Qaeda's capabilities have not changed much at all.

1) We control the world money (dollar. We can print as many as we want..we just need enough paper haha).

You do that.
Go to the Federal reserve and tell them that you've solved the debt problem, just print more money... what's the harm, eh?

 

[Jungibaaz]

mr. economist, you might want to check when American borrowing started. You really are clueless..

In that sense the debt isn't as unsustainable as people make it out to be.
But last I checked the debt to GDP ratio was 100.8%, which means any future government will have to run budget surpluses for a long time. Which isn't good news for recovery after the downturn and long term growth and prosperity.

 

[Audio]

In that sense the debt isn't as unsustainable as people make it out to be.
But last I checked the debt to GDP ratio was 100.8%, which means any future government will have to run budget surpluses for a long time. Which isn't good news for recovery after the downturn and long term growth and prosperity.

Well, budget surplus was last attained during the Clinton administration.

Things have changed though, most notably the baby boomers (generation that was born right after WWII, everyone was happy that war is over and they were making babies that could not be conceived during the uncertainty of the war period)are going into retirement in this decade, putting considerable more strain on the pensions fund while at the same time depleting the workforce disproportionately.

The next big hurdle comes in February, with the debt ceiling limit debate.

 

[Sugarcane]

Didnt know that either.. Is it just the greenback or all paper currencies ?

It's for all currencies

 

[somebozo]

US is still behaving light handed in this WOT especially in the Afghan Case. Push them to the corner and some nasty bombs may come out. It took two nukes for Japan to surrender. Afghanistan is much easier than that!

 

[RazorMC]

Our national debt is not $ 15 trillion but $16+ trillion but it is not dangerous because;

1) We control the world money (dollar. We can print as many as we want..we just need enough paper haha).
2) Most of our debt is to ourselves. China owns a VERY small part of it.

Can you explain how $16 trillion is a danger to the mighty U.S? ...

Wrong.
1. You don't control the "world money dollar" - the Federal Reserve owns and controls it and it is not a government institution.
2. Again, your debt is not to yourselves, but to the Fed.
3. You don't just go in to the Fed and print some money, you have a debt ceiling to worry about.

 

[Audio]

Wrong.
1. You don't control the "world money dollar" - the Federal Reserve owns and controls it and it is not a government institution.

It's semi government/semi private.

The main body of the organization is made from people appointed by the president of the US.

 

[illusion8]

Mission accomplished?
Gimme a break!

2001: Objectives

-Destroy Al Qaeda in Afghanistan (a few hundred of them at best).

Then came the spread of Al Qaeda, the fight against the taliban and other fighting factions, the spread of the war to the rest of the Muslim world.

2013:Objectives

-Deal with with tens of thousands of Taliban, Haqqani and other groups.
-Still deal with Al Qaeda presence in Afghanistan.
-Deal with Al Qaeda in Pakistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria and so on.

OBL was just a poster child for Al Qaeda. Even after his death, Al Qaeda's capabilities have not changed much at all.



You do that.
Go to the Federal reserve and tell them that you've solved the debt problem, just print more money... what's the harm, eh?

At least there are no terrorist incidents in the US mainland after 9/11, success of 9/11 would have prompted the terrorists to be more brazen with high confidence if the US hadn't done what it did. What they have done is blow the terrorists up and broke them into multiple factions and made them run. I agree no power in the world can completely eliminate the terrorists and America learned it the hard way but hopefully they have done enough to preserve themselves.

 

[RazorMC]

It's semi government/semi private.

The main body of the organization is made from people appointed by the president of the US.

The government appoints the members of the board of governors but the Fed still remains outside government authority. It's policies and actions fall outside government jurisdiction.