Burquas banned in Egypt University

[dvk1982]

The eyes are the window to the soul.
Or are you one of those nerds who never makes eye contact when talking to people.

As a piece of trivia, the eyes and area around it is one of the few clues to differentiate a genuine smile from a fake smile.

u want to support burqa, u will do it with any number of silly arguments... so why don't we all cover or faces and show only eyes as though the other parts of ur face show no emotions... I am not going to argue abt this...

We conveniently can impose things on others by giving a name to it and interpreting it as religion, sometimes that benefits us, sometimes useless to propagate sbdy's set beliefs...

like burga we too have other similar traditions to control or discipline our women... but at least most of them rn't given a religious tone....

 

[Developereo]

It is now my word versus yours.

No, it is the word of Muslim women themselves versus that of anti-Muslim bigots hiding behind a facade of sanctimonious, self-righteous 'concern' for women's "rights".

your strawmen (about my ‘opinion’ of muslim women or how I am ‘carrying’ the white man’s burden etc.)

If you espouse a cause just because it sounds progressive and sexy without understanding the nuances behind it, and without listening to the people involved first-hand, then be prepared for the fallout.

You want state, in consultation and conjunction with ‘council of religious scholars’ to ‘sanction’ material to be preached. Fair enough. But what is it if it is not (a) State’s interference in religion, (b) State’s attempt to declare some aspects of religion, as illegal (the unsanctioned part would automatically be deemed illegal). In a way, you accept that some aspects of religion can be declared illegal – or if you so please ‘unsanctionable’ - by the State.

The state outlaws many forms of 'free speech' if they are deemed harmful to public safety or national interest. For example, any religious preacher advocating violence should be prosecuted without fail. The veil causes problems in official document photos, secutiry cameras, etc., so it is within the state's purview to discourage it. The only question is how to go about doing it, and we disagree on the approach.

So why would Egypt government’s decision to ‘not sanction’ burqua/hijab, is ‘buying into the Western media stereotype’?

The Egyptian decision reeks of political suppression given the dynamics between Islamic oppostition parties and the brutal dictatorial regime that has stifled all opposition for 30 years.

A case of miscommunication or ex post facto wisdom?

Nothing more sinister than a case of differing interpretations, evidently.

Anyway, what you have already accepted as self-evident axiom, is what we, ‘deluded, sanctimonious do-gooder’ ‘men and non-muslim women’ are skeptical of – whether a purportedly ‘voluntary’ religious choice made under the direct or indirect coercive influence of religion, peer and society, can truly be called ‘voluntary’.

Well, thank God -- oops thank Heavens -- there are selfless people like you out there to help these brainless creatures escape such 'coercive influences'.

Good on ya, doc

u want to support burqa

I have never defended the burqa or veil. What I support is people's right to make their own choices, and I advocate an education campaign rather than draconian laws to get rid of the burqa.

 

[toxic_pus]

If you espouse a cause just because it sounds progressive and sexy without understanding the nuances behind it, and without listening to the people involved first-hand, then be prepared for the fallout.

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Well, thank God -- oops thank Heavens -- there are selfless people like you out there to help these brainless creatures escape such 'coercive influences'.

Good on ya, doc

...and you complain of media stereotypes.

There are numerous dimensions to the debate against veil. Unfortunately, you know of one - that anybody who opposes the system of veil must be an 'anti-Muslim bigot hiding behind a facade of sanctimonious, self-righteous 'concern' for women's "rights" and who has a 'self-serving low opinion of Muslim women's intelligence and fortitude' considering them as 'brainless creatures' . You build your own strawman around it and then beat it to pulp, because it is easier that way.

...and you complain of media stereotypes

 

[Developereo]

There are numerous dimensions to the debate against veil.

We are specifically talking about the merits of forcibly banning the practise.
Do enlighten us about these other 'dimensions'.

Unfortunately, you know of one - that anybody who opposes the system of veil must be an 'anti-Muslim bigot hiding behind a facade of sanctimonious, self-righteous 'concern' for women's "rights" and who has a 'self-serving low opinion of Muslim women's intelligence and fortitude' considering them as 'brainless creatures' .

Yet another disingenuous attempt to shift the focus.

I never said that everyone who wants to ban the burqa is an anti-Muslim bigot but, with rare exceptions, the media and legislative debate is very much between Muslim women and anti-Muslim bigots.

The Muslim women are adamant about their right to make their own decision. The people who are most vocal about banning the practice forcibly tend to be the same people who are rabid anti-Muslim activists in other contexts. These people don't give a damn about Muslim women; they are perfectly happy to stigmatize and marginalize them.

A case in point is the French headscarf ban on schoolgirls. (Yes, I know this discussion is about burquas, but the same dynamic was at play in that hysteria.) The French law was ostensibly designed to ban religious symbols in public schools, but it is actually against conspicuous symbols only. It bans Muslim headscarfs, but it specifically allows Christian crosses and Jewish star-of-David pendants.

The same dynamic applies in the German headscarf ban for schoolteachers, and the Swiss ban for basketball players.

I oppose the veil, but I want to solve the issue through education and regulation of clerics. I specifically want to avoid scapegoating the women.

Speaking of stereotypes, it is the people who want to ban the burqua who insult Muslim women by denying them their individuality and stereotyping them as a bunch of subservient chattels.

You build your own strawman around it and then beat it to pulp, because it is easier that way.

I expose the real reason behing the charade. You are just annoyed because your sanctimonious cause turned out to be just a front for bigotry.

 

[U-571]

a laugh on egyptian american sh&t, husne mubarak, what does he get in return, american virgins n loads of israeli american weapons?

 

[kmn617]

According to Islam, a woman is supposed to cover her complete body except her face, hands and feet. Those women who used to cover their faces too, are doing this on their own and it isn't mandatory in Islam.
If this Egyptian university has banned veil (i.e. Niqab for security matter or due to some other similar reasons) then the student using it even after knowing about this rule, is at fault. But if she still wants to use it then she should leave the university coercing her to leave it.

 

[EjazR]

I think the intent of the Egyptian university was mis-reported. Its only banning it in women campusses apparently. There is nothing wrong in that. As long as there are only women, they can wear whatever they want and don't even have to wear hijab really.

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