Building a nation - Sri Lanka

[Saradiel]

"Educated class" are as according to me is the people who comes from poorer backgrounds or with certain mentality who attained a degree thorough government universities selected by the notorious ALs.

Well I am correct in my guess then, you meant the educated class!

There is no class called educated class in SL, it is the educated people we have in SL. Educated people do not come only from poor backgrounds. Even if people from poor backgrounds and become educated what is wrong in it? Isn’t that what we aspire as a country? Isn’t that the development of the people we want? There is nothing wrong in people from poor backgrounds becoming educated.

And how are ALs notorious? Please elaborate. AL is an examination that helps to screen out people to go to universities. That is what that has given us many intellectuals and learned people who has done a lot for the country to keep it even in this state whatever bad policies our govs take.

And believe me, ALs and educated people coming from poor background aren’t the ones who has destroyed education, it is the BAD POLICIES OF THE GOV, INACTION OF GOV, LACK OF FUNDING.

By that I didn’t mean every other part is perfect, there are problems in everywhere, but still gov would have to bear most of the blame.

These educated people in turn prohibits the education they received to fall into a hands of the "lesser people" as they like to call the other who are not able to get selected to learn what they could.

What do you mean? Please elaborate!
Are you showing your dissatisfaction towards uni people resisting private universities?

It is like the old days when the richer people tried to held on to the educational benefits by using their money. That system was changed unfortunately to only be used by the people who benefited from the downfall of the richer class.

Actually it is still the same where rich people enjoy educational benefits using their money power. It is the same throughout the world.

I understand your feelings. Nearly 100,000 people sit for ALs every year but only 11,000 of them get selected to universities.

That is why I say gov should fund and restructure universities, start new universities and career paths to help the rest of the students who don’t get selected. I understand there are people in state universities who do not like people with less AL marks to get into the same path. That is selfishness that needs to be handled.

Again this is a problem of lack of resources which is again watered down to gov’s lack of funding for universities and not taking actions to prevent such a situation.
Also dearth of employment opportunities which again is a result of gov policies causes this.

And by education it doesn’t mean only the university education. What about the primary and secondary level education? Problems in school systems, syllabus modernization, school education in poor schools (even in Colombo district) is at a very low standard. You go to schools in remote areas, you will see real problems. Lack of teachers and the lack of the training for teachers in these areas is a big problem.

It can be seen from the OL results of the students from all over the country where only a handful of schools perform well while number of students failing OLs is rising especially out of Colombo, Kandy, Galle. That is there is a big problem in our school systems. Many students fail in subjects like Maths and science. What has gov done to address this? Do you know what? Gov has lowered the level of OL syllabus and OL exam so that more students would pass exams. what sort of a policing is that?

How many doctors are willing to work in rural hospitals? How many specialists are willing to go to those rural areas?

There are doctors and specialists working in rural hospitals. But many doctors are unwilling to go to rural areas because like in ever sphere people like to stay with their loved ones and work in sophisticated areas. It is human nature, not necessarily a bad thing.

That is exactly why many people migrate to western countries, because they believe they are treated well with good living conditions, good schools for their children unlike what they get in SL. We can’t blame them, that is human nature and going in search of greener pastures is not a crime.

They must be thinking if politicians in this country can steal in millions, terrorize people and the people living in this country do not care the antics of politicians for two cents why the hell they are toiling for this country. Instead they go for a place that can guarantee a good future for them and their children. Same way doctors might be reluctant to work in rural areas for the same reasons.

Also isn’t that a reminder that there are under developed rural areas in SL even after we have gained independence for 65 years?
And my point was about lack of medicine in gov hospitals in rural and in western province. How the hell is doctors’ unwillingness to go to rural areas make hospitals from rural areas have less medicine?, less beds and lesser facilities? Isn’t it the responsibility of the government?
Do you know in Polonnaruwa, where there are thousands of patients suffering from kidney diseases, gov hospitals have only Panadol and piriton as the ONLY drug? Whatever the disease patients have doctors can only give them a panadol! Is it the problem of the doctors? Or the gov?

There is a problem of rising kidney diseases in north central, what has gov done? What program has gove started to help the people who are suffering from it? What has gov done to prevent it any further?

If you take a gov hospital like Jayawardanapura there are lot a problems. What has gov done to remedy them?

It is not the funding but the utter selfishness of the doctors and supporting staff. (This is not the case every time though.) (But few good doctors won't change the whole system.)

So you mean patients in gov hospitals have to go and buy every medicine from pharmacy, and the fact that rural hospitals have only panadol, the fact that there are lesser number of beds in hospitals which make patients to sleep on floor are NOT due to lack of funding but because of doctors selfishness.?

And the corruption, mismanagement and nepotism in hospital management boards are solely the problem of doctors? I don’t say it is solely the problem of gov.

It is the problem of the people who would go to any length to justify and whitewash the gov. The problem is the ignorant idiotic people who would fall into any gov propaganda and do not use the grey matter inside their head. The gutless idiots who feed on gov propaganda are the biggest problem in this country!

It doesn't matter how much money is pumped into the system unless the system is functioning properly.

Of course so why not correct the system? Who runs the system? Isn’t providing sufficient funds itself is a part of system?

What do you think would happen if government punish some corrupt official in a hospital et it be a doctor, nurse or a helper)? The whole generations of doctors, nurses and other associate staff will do strikes throughout the whole island. What government would think of doing such a stupid thing of sacking a corrupt official? Your government mate?

First gov itself is corrupt more than an official in a hospital ever be. I know people who work in hospitals especially attendants are corrupt and take bribes. If you go and check these peoples’ pay you will understand why. Most of these people are pathetically under paid in a country where cost of living is rising. So people like these are prone to such acts. Gov need a lot of changes in its policies.

And that was not my point ne. I don’t say workers in hospitals are perfect. It is the lack of medicine and facilities throughout the island’s hospitals I was talking about. And please answer me with your conscience isn’t that the responsibility of the gov. That too while gov is spending millions of money (wasting) on unnecessary things? Common man suffers when people in gov party.
Why do we have to bear the cost when politicians go to hospitals in Singapore while we can’t even take care of our people in rural areas? What is the justice in it? Isn’t that totally absurd? Why is the gov wasting loaned money on economically unviable projects just to boost their image while our people suffer with lack of jobs, poor health care?

Tell me a single industry this gov initiated! Do you know what our biggest source of income is? Tell me a single factory this gov opened? Tell me a single power project this gov completed successfully? Tell me why gov is carrying on with a Mihin air which has resulted in LOSSES in BILLIONS? Tell me WHY? Tell me how a profit making national carrier was turned into a loss making venture as soon as gov took its control? Tell me why poor farmers have to burn their paddy stocks because the gov agencies aren’t buying the paddy? Tell me why farmers in Nuwaraeliya, Mahiyangana had to throw milk on the road sides because gov agencies are not buying their milk, that too while SL spend 500 million Rs to import milk powder.

This is the excuse every government employee make including the "Doctors". Let them be compared to the employees of the private sector who do more work in any fiscal year for far less salary and for far less benefits. Who in the world would get tax free cars in private sector?

Same way compare the salaries private sector offers to them and that they manage their stuff very well unlike the gov managed institutes! Understand this, the problem in healthcare in SL is not because of doctors or workers but because of gov’s lack of funding, inaction, bad policies!

When the ones who manage stuff do not do their responsibilities and when they themselves are corrupt, lesser individuals within the system also do wrong things. That is natural because the system is not running and the body that is running the system doesn’t care.

This is a pattern in SL where we allow the system to rot and whitewashes the people responsible for it but point out finger at other small wrong doers who are results of the rotten system.

Let's face it. It is so annoying for the doctors to hold on to their salary issue when they have been educated for almost free of cost to a degree that is worth 60 lacks in the market.

Do you know the salary of a doctor? So you mean these people should keep shut up just because they got a free education and live with a meager amount while the uneducated ******** in the parliament make havoc in the economy?

Free education is a right of these people it is not something gov magnanimously give. And how many of them come from free education? Don’t we have doctors who come from private schools? The parents of these doctors have contributed towards financing free education by means of paying tax. Both you and I pay that too. It is not magnanimity of the gov.

If anyone points at the worth of a degree in medicine as an excuse for low salary levels of medical practitioners in SL it is nothing else but sheer jealousy!

The irony is the very people who point at doctors and their free education are the first to whitewash politicians and gov even when these politicians have also received free education, and now free petrol, free food, free vehicles, electricity, telephone and everything at free of charge, free lands, free license for bars. It is the irony or the sad state of affairs in SL.

I do not think SL is better in corruption scale. We have to do more to be any good in this sector. But what I meant was that we cannot be 100% perfect. No country is and No country would be.

The very reason some talked about corruption in other countries is to dilute the level of corruption in SL. I don’t care how much corrupted the rest of the world is, it is this country that matter to me.

The reason I pointed out the corruption is your SL buddies here couldn’t understand why people dislike the government after all these infrastructure development.
because honey infra development hasn’t really helped the poor people. No industry development and as a result no jobs. So naturally people will blame the gov which they should do.

Corruption in SL is not in a state that is bearable. Corruption has reached its peak. Corruption is a cancer in this country. Have you ever heard of 10%? Don’t you see how local councils members get rich once they are elected to council. Don’t you see how public money is spent even to build houses for council members? Not only that, SL loses 2% of its GDP rate due to corruption.

2% SL GDP growth lost due to corruption : Top economist

At least in other countries when corruption is exposed by media, gov would HAVE to take action. Because they fear law, people and opposition. That is not the case for SL. Gov do it willingly as they believe no one would question them. Even in india, 2G case look at the media expose and subsequent gov actions. You don’t see that in SL. Politicians loot and make corrupt deals in the OPEN. Because they DON’T fear our laws and our people don’t care.

COPE is heavily mingled with politics. The opposition is using it against the government only to take the power for themselves. After that they behave just like the government and maybe the COPE version 2 may come out. Then the next opposition party will using against their ruling party.

Seriously you know nothing about COPE (like most of the things)

Cope means a committee that is appointed by the parliament regarding government owned public companies. The committee has members from all the parties in parliament based on their numbers. So COPE is a parliament document. The current chairman of COPE is Dew Gunesekara who is a government MP.
Parliament of Sri Lanka - Committee on Public Enterprises
Committee On Public Enterprises (Sri Lanka) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has nothing with politics. If opposition is using the COPE to attack gov that is a good thing because it is what is expected in a democratic gov. That is what makes a gov answerable to its people and make it afraid to do corruption. However that is not so in SL. I have hardly seen opposition members using COPE to question gov which they should do.

So your point is opposition would also be corrupt like this gov so we let the current ones to continue the looting it is doing now? Is that what your suggesting? You are not patriotic or has any love for your country but just a gov lackey who would go to any length to whitewash gov.

This thing goes around like the wheel. If we want to finish it we have to go the core of the problem which is not just punishing the criminals in COPE report. (Which won't happen because of the monkey jumps specially in the business community.)

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Of course that is what I am saying finish the cycle.

The first thing in finishing the cycle is ACKNOWLEDGING the problem. That is accepting there is a problem and think about it rationally.
Do you see that even in this thread? Do you see SLns here acknowledging it? The only thing I see is constant boasting about how SL is without any problem while we are drowned in many problems to our neck level. We have tolerated these kinds of malpractices of the government to such a level that we have a questionable future ahead!

The ignorance and stupidity displayed here by many SL posters thinking SL will be developed over night compelled me to speak about it.

What we need at the moment is we need to create a powerful movement from the society. Not politicians but the people. SL has the highest growth in number of management accountants in South asia, but our economy is in a poor state. The intellectuals, educated people from all fields should get together and think and decide what should be done in this critical juncture. We should create a knowledge base in economy, defence, policy making, agriculture everything. As our politicians are failing us we need to take responsibility of this country. Question gov, come with solutions to problems and compel the gov to work for the country.
Hoping MR will deliver everything and remain silent on his acts will not help us.

You are being overly negative. Who do you think can replace government? UNP that is struggling to hold itself together? As the other members posted, why don't you show us facts instead of stating your opinion? Want me you remind you of the paradise that existed before Satan (MR) came to power? These useless power struggles were always an obstacle for the development of the country. Our own people are the biggest enemies of the country.

The truth is Sri Lanka is developing like never fore. I agree on the part you said about our disillusioned pride. we have a long way to go instead of taking pride in every little thing but that doesn't mean you can disregard the progress made by the country in past 4 years. Please have a balanced opinion.

I am not being negative, I am being realistic. Being overly optimistic ignoring realities won’t help us.
The point is we need a paradigm shift in the way we govern this country. If the current politician (gov) isn’t doing the job create a force. At least vote for decent educated men/women who are intellectuals in this country.

Do you still need facts to show SL is corrupted? Man I live in it. Corruption is an everyday thing for sri Lankans. If really into corruption read COPE reports. And did you even try to refute what I say in other posts. First come with a proper argument then ask for stats from me.

SL never was a paradise, we had many problems. We never found solutions for problems and now the problems have grown in such a scale that we need sudden and drastic changes. Things in SL have been deteriorating since 48 and after MR came into power it is rapidly deteriorating in many sectors.

Physical buildings and roads do NOT represent development. SL is heavily indebted and we have invested the money on unprofitable ventures.

Of course the ones who ignore problems and whitewash gov in its evert act is the biggest enemy of this country.
Balanced opinion is not something that gives negativities and positivities in equal amount (even you re not so in your own comments), but not being partial to any side.

What power struggles? Power struggles are the ones that keep politicians in check. As I said before infra development is not development. We fail in sustainable development. Where is job creation? Where is GDP growing like other post war economies? Why are our public enterprises keep running at a loss?
And this is only about the economy.

What about the rule of law, drug smugglers are part of the government, thugs are part of the gov, why is gov and MR silent on this. Why is MR silent on Mervin silva? Why is gov not punishing culprits in Kurram sheikh murder case but protecting them even worsening the image of SL for political gains? WHY? WHY? WHY? Is that the picture of a country going in the right direction?
Why people are leaving the country? And why have you left SL?

 

[Azizam]

Well I am correct in my guess then, you meant the educated class!

I am not being negative, I am being realistic. Being overly optimistic ignoring realities won’t help us.
The point is we need a paradigm shift in the way we govern this country. If the current politician (gov) isn’t doing the job create a force. At least vote for decent educated men/women who are intellectuals in this country.

Do you still need facts to show SL is corrupted? Man I live in it. Corruption is an everyday thing for sri Lankans. If really into corruption read COPE reports. And did you even try to refute what I say in other posts. First come with a proper argument then ask for stats from me.

SL never was a paradise, we had many problems. We never found solutions for problems and now the problems have grown in such a scale that we need sudden and drastic changes. Things in SL have been deteriorating since 48 and after MR came into power it is rapidly deteriorating in many sectors.

Physical buildings and roads do NOT represent development. SL is heavily indebted and we have invested the money on unprofitable ventures.

Of course the ones who ignore problems and whitewash gov in its evert act is the biggest enemy of this country.
Balanced opinion is not something that gives negativities and positivities in equal amount (even you re not so in your own comments), but not being partial to any side.

What power struggles? Power struggles are the ones that keep politicians in check. As I said before infra development is not development. We fail in sustainable development. Where is job creation? Where is GDP growing like other post war economies? Why are our public enterprises keep running at a loss?
And this is only about the economy.

What about the rule of law, drug smugglers are part of the government, thugs are part of the gov, why is gov and MR silent on this. Why is MR silent on Mervin silva? Why is gov not punishing culprits in Kurram sheikh murder case but protecting them even worsening the image of SL for political gains? WHY? WHY? WHY? Is that the picture of a country going in the right direction?
Why people are leaving the country? And why have you left SL?

So what's next? Let's protest, vandalize property and create havoc in other words a revolution to change the government. WOW!! what a great idea. Who will come next? BBS? Ranil? This mistake was done again and again yet our people have no shame talking about changing the government.

 

[Gibbs]

I agree with @Saradiel word for word

 

[Gibbs]

I agree with @Saradiel word for word

 

[HeinzG]

Well I am correct in my guess then, you meant the educated class!

There is no class called educated class in SL, it is the educated people we have in SL. Educated people do not come only from poor backgrounds. Even if people from poor backgrounds and become educated what is wrong in it? Isn’t that what we aspire as a country? Isn’t that the development of the people we want? There is nothing wrong in people from poor backgrounds becoming educated.

You do not see it or you do not want to see it. The educated people have created a class for themselves just like the so many other classes we have witnessed such as the "Bamunukulaya". These classes have a weapon to throw against the commons or a boundary line to get separated from the commons. Some class has the money, some power and some the heritage but what do the "Educated class" have? They have their degree. Because the degree specially for the well respected jobs are extremely hard to get in Sri Lanka.

Moreover I have nothing against the poor getting better shot at their lives through the education. But they including all the others who think they are the best people of Sri Lanka just because of a degree certificate has no right to bar the others from getting a degree even for money.

And how are ALs notorious? Please elaborate. AL is an examination that helps to screen out people to go to universities.

This bolded part is what gives the A/L its notoriety.

How cruel to screen out people for life from getting degrees just because of this silly exam? Is this humane?

That is what that has given us many intellectuals and learned people who has done a lot for the country to keep it even in this state whatever bad policies our govs take.

You got it wrong mate. Policies are made by the so called intellectuals and learned people of yours. Politicians are just executing the policies according to their political agendas. There fore the so called intellectuals and learned people are responsible for the all the bad policies that has ruined Sri Lanka. I give you one such a example. Find out who made the Indo-Sri Lanka trade agreement.

And believe me, ALs and educated people coming from poor background aren’t the ones who has destroyed education, it is the BAD POLICIES OF THE GOV, INACTION OF GOV, LACK OF FUNDING.

By that I didn’t mean every other part is perfect, there are problems in everywhere, but still gov would have to bear most of the blame.

So even according to you if government bear the most of the blame some should go to the educate people you are so glamorously portrait here as the saviors of the country. I'm only picking on the educated people because people like you are not willing to accept the reality of the educated people.

What do you mean? Please elaborate!

What I meant is that gov uni people are the most selfish and most stupidious pricks in the country

Are you showing your dissatisfaction towards uni people resisting private universities?

Yes I do. I really do not like those silly potheads.

Actually it is still the same where rich people enjoy educational benefits using their money power. It is the same throughout the world.

At least any one can become rich and spend his money on learning. But no one can increase his brain's memorizing capacity to get beyond ALs if they want to.

I understand your feelings. Nearly 100,000 people sit for ALs every year but only 11,000 of them get selected to universities.

I fight for a change of this. Is it fair to neglect the rest 98,000 just because there are no seats in the universities to be given for them?

Is it fair to neglect those just for some benches?

That is why I say gov should fund and restructure universities, start new universities and career paths to help the rest of the students who don’t get selected.

Start new universities? Where on Mars? Do you even know the plight of the Rajarata, Ruhunu, Sabaragamu or Uva universities? Do you know the so called "educated lecturers" do not want to go their to teach people because lectures are used to the cozy nature of Colombo and Kandy?

So even if the gov. opens new universities as usual lectures will not go to them unless they were located closer to Colombo or Kandy and then the socialist nutcases will take to power in those universities. Then every thing will be same again.

I understand there are people in state universities who do not like people with less AL marks to get into the same path. That is selfishness that needs to be handled.

Selfishness cannot handle or eradicate at will. It has to be done individually. But without changing the current system there is no hope.

Also dearth of employment opportunities which again is a result of gov policies causes this.

Then who is responsible for teaching and continuing outdated syllabuses in Campuses? Government? or the Lecturers?

And by education it doesn’t mean only the university education. What about the primary and secondary level education? Problems in school systems, syllabus modernization, school education in poor schools (even in Colombo district) is at a very low standard. You go to schools in remote areas, you will see real problems. Lack of teachers and the lack of the training for teachers in these areas is a big problem.

There are not big issues as ruing the lives of more than 250,000 citizens of Sri Lanka every year.

It can be seen from the OL results of the students from all over the country where only a handful of schools perform well while number of students failing OLs is rising especially out of Colombo, Kandy, Galle. That is there is a big problem in our school systems. Many students fail in subjects like Maths and science. What has gov done to address this? Do you know what?

The real issue lies in the AL exam. The all other issues in the education system is off springs from the AL issue.

Gov has lowered the level of OL syllabus and OL exam so that more students would pass exams. what sort of a policing is that?

What is wrong with that? At least many will get a chance to say "I have passed the OLs". Isn't it a policy to be happy about.

There are doctors and specialists working in rural hospitals. But many doctors are unwilling to go to rural areas because like in ever sphere people like to stay with their loved ones and work in sophisticated areas. It is human nature, not necessarily a bad thing.

What if the army say this? What if the police say this? And moreover this may be what the teachers saying when they were asked to go and teach in a rural school. It is not a bad thing no...

That is exactly why many people migrate to western countries, because they believe they are treated well with good living conditions, good schools for their children unlike what they get in SL. We can’t blame them, that is human nature and going in search of greener pastures is not a crime.

After getting the full benefit of the free education. Huh..... poor tax payers.

It is also human nature Mr. Saradiel to hold the money that is being poured to the education system because of the lack of result it generate.

They must be thinking if politicians in this country can steal in millions, terrorize people and the people living in this country do not care the antics of politicians for two cents why the hell they are toiling for this country. Instead they go for a place that can guarantee a good future for them and their children. Same way doctors might be reluctant to work in rural areas for the same reasons.

Then there is no different between the doctors, engineers etc. and the politicians. All are in the same boat. All work for themselves by misleading the public. All steal the public money to suite there benefits.

And my point was about lack of medicine in gov hospitals in rural and in western province. How the hell is doctors’ unwillingness to go to rural areas make hospitals from rural areas have less medicine?, less beds and lesser facilities? Isn’t it the responsibility of the government?

Who manage the hospitals? Doctors isn't it? Don't they have the authority and ability to get what they want from the government stores? Are they all sitting idle until government come and give everything to them?

Do you know in Polonnaruwa, where there are thousands of patients suffering from kidney diseases, gov hospitals have only Panadol and piriton as the ONLY drug? Whatever the disease patients have doctors can only give them a panadol! Is it the problem of the doctors? Or the gov?

What the hell these doctors did until the stokes reach to the Panadol and Piriton? Who manages these hospitals?

There is a problem of rising kidney diseases in north central, what has gov done? What program has gove started to help the people who are suffering from it? What has gov done to prevent it any further?

I do not know google it.

If you take a gov hospital like Jayawardanapura there are lot a problems. What has gov done to remedy them?

State the problems. So I can get a better understanding of the situation.

So you mean patients in gov hospitals have to go and buy every medicine from pharmacy, and the fact that rural hospitals have only panadol, the fact that there are lesser number of beds in hospitals which make patients to sleep on floor are NOT due to lack of funding but because of doctors selfishness.?

No this is actually lack of funding and poor planing and management of hospitals.

And the corruption, mismanagement and nepotism in hospital management boards are solely the problem of doctors? I don’t say it is solely the problem of gov.

Aren't the doctors managing the hospitals?

Of course so why not correct the system? Who runs the system? Isn’t providing sufficient funds itself is a part of system?

Corrupting the funds are also part of the current system. It is mostly done by the staff of the public organizations.

And that was not my point ne. I don’t say workers in hospitals are perfect. It is the lack of medicine and facilities throughout the island’s hospitals I was talking about. And please answer me with your conscience isn’t that the responsibility of the gov. That too while gov is spending millions of money (wasting) on unnecessary things? Common man suffers when people in gov party.

Ok let's assume the government correct itself. But if the rest of the people involved in the system is not corrected themselves the system won't be any good.

What I'm saying is the government is not the single guilty party.

Tell me a single industry this gov initiated! Do you know what our biggest source of income is? Tell me a single factory this gov opened? Tell me a single power project this gov completed successfully? Tell me why gov is carrying on with a Mihin air which has resulted in LOSSES in BILLIONS? Tell me WHY? Tell me how a profit making national carrier was turned into a loss making venture as soon as gov took its control? Tell me why poor farmers have to burn their paddy stocks because the gov agencies aren’t buying the paddy? Tell me why farmers in Nuwaraeliya, Mahiyangana had to throw milk on the road sides because gov agencies are not buying their milk, that too while SL spend 500 million Rs to import milk powder.

Ok then defeat this government and bring the Ranil to power. He will make this country prosper.

Do you know the salary of a doctor? So you mean these people should keep shut up just because they got a free education and live with a meager amount while the uneducated ******** in the parliament make havoc in the economy?

So it is a salary problem. If the Doctors get all the benefits of the politicians then the Doctors will work in remote areas. Great.

Free education is a right of these people it is not something gov magnanimously give.

And remember Freedom for education is also a right of the people.

And how many of them come from free education? Don’t we have doctors who come from private schools? The parents of these doctors have contributed towards financing free education by means of paying tax. Both you and I pay that too. It is not magnanimity of the gov.

Two people against the rest of 20 million. What a logic. The parents might have contributed a lot.

If anyone points at the worth of a degree in medicine as an excuse for low salary levels of medical practitioners in SL it is nothing else but sheer jealousy!

Maybe....... who knows........

The irony is the very people who point at doctors and their free education are the first to whitewash politicians and gov even when these politicians have also received free education, and now free petrol, free food, free vehicles, electricity, telephone and everything at free of charge, free lands, free license for bars. It is the irony or the sad state of affairs in SL.

Well people can vote them out for every five years. We do not get a chance to vote out doctors if we like to.

because honey infra development hasn’t really helped the poor people. No industry development and as a result no jobs. So naturally people will blame the gov which they should do.

Who do infra development to help poor people. It got nothing to do with poor people.

Hehe.... you contradict your self here. In order to develop industry one has to have good infrastructure to support the industry.

Even in india, 2G case look at the media expose and subsequent gov actions. You don’t see that in SL. Politicians loot and make corrupt deals in the OPEN. Because they DON’T fear our laws and our people don’t care.

Oh Indian may have a different opinion on corruption of their country.

So your point is opposition would also be corrupt like this gov so we let the current ones to continue the looting it is doing now? Is that what your suggesting? You are not patriotic or has any love for your country but just a gov lackey who would go to any length to whitewash gov.

If there is a easy and direct method to end corruption in Sri Lanka I would have happily abide by it.

 

[Saradiel]

So what's next? Let's protest, vandalize property and create havoc in other words a revolution to change the government. WOW!! what a great idea. Who will come next? BBS?Ranil? This mistake was done again and again yet our people have no shame talking about changing the government.

I asked you to at least vote for decent educated men, intellectuals not thugs and drug dealers. Do you see it like protesting and vandalizing? Even living in the English man’s country hasn’t really helped grasping English. Isn’t it?
I didn’t ask anyone to do a revolution; I said people in this country need to be more responsible towards the country. Be knowledgeable about the issues in the country, be knowledgeable about what is happening in the country.
And be a patriot! Patriots do not defend the government only gov lackeys do, defend the country.
BBS is a part of the government. At least Ranil took a country with negative growth rate and turned it around in two years.
Really what mistake? What about the mistakes of the gov? You talk about ancient history in this country but do not know anything on SL’s post-independence history.
What is wrong with changing government? Changing gove is a part of any democratic country and it also keeps govern in check. If the politicians in the govern do not have the fear of losing their power they will engage in all illegal activities and abuse power. Which is exactly what is happening in SL which you people find no problem with.
You didn’t even attempt to answer my questions. You are pathetically ignorant on SL.
If you want to talk about SL be knowledgeable and use what is inside your head, don’t be a blind follower. If you are unwilling to do that hold on to your PR in UK, you are gonna need it in the future.

You do not see it or you do not want to see it. The educated people have created a class for themselves just like the so many other classes we have witnessed such as the "Bamunukulaya". These classes have a weapon to throw against the commons or a boundary line to get separated from the commons. Some class has the money, some power and some the heritage but what do the "Educated class" have? They have their degree. Because the degree specially for the well respected jobs are extremely hard to get in Sri Lanka.

The educated class as you call has the power of education. Most of the time, they are tested. They are trained on rational thinking (most of the time). People don’t get educated by chance; education can only be won by hard work, talent and intelligence.
By this I am not saying every educated person is an intelligent man and not every uneducated man a stupid man. Every species in the world has a way of passing their knowledge and techniques to their young ones. Education is how we humans to it.
If education is bad, why is people spending money to go abroad and study? Why do you study spending money? The reason you spend money and spend your precious time for that is, education gives you some value, doesn’t it? So don’t ask the next time what value educated people have?
Actually your contempt for education says a different thing. The ones whom you call as educated class and direct your anger at are the ones who come from state universities. So it is nothing but personal vendetta.

Moreover I have nothing against the poor getting better shot at their lives through the education. But they including all the others who think they are the best people of Sri Lanka just because of a degree certificate has no right to bar the others from getting a degree even for money.

Now who has barred that in SL? In SL people can spend their money and get a degree. There are many private institutes that offer many degrees in Computing and IT. But do you see any anger or resistance from the state university students? NO! Why because there are enough jobs in the SL for it. They can easily migrate and find a job elsewhere. As the industry is big students do not make any problem with that because they get job opportunities.
Don’t get me wrong, in IT and computer engineering jobs, many IT companies wait until computer eng students pass out from Moratuwa and then Colombo/ Pera to start their recruitment. Only the remaining job slots would be given to private degree holders. Because these companies see value in these graduates. So it is not just a degree.
As in any part of the world, in SL too there are people who think like they are at the top and every other degree holder (of other subjects and unis) are beneath him/her. That is not because university education and degrees are bad because there are people who are inherently bad. If you check this is a phenomenon that exists even among state university students based on whether they come from Moratuwa or Peradeniya or Colombo. And around the world you will see Harvard degree holder is way more important and a class apart from a normal graduate in SL. Just because some people think like that you do not ruin a university education for that.
What you are talking about is a societal problem and not a problem in education.

This bolded part is what gives the A/L its notoriety.

So what is your suggestion to screen out people? I know AL may not be the perfect method to test who should go to university, but still it is the prevailing system and the best among we have. If we have a limited amount of space in universities we have to have a method to screen out people. AL is how we do that. And also in other parts of the world exams is what is used to screen out people. Even if you go to a job interview there is a method to screen out people. You can’t roll in the floor and cry that is notorious. Either you get ready for that or chose a different path that suits you.
AL is not responsible for any problems in our education. If you say ALs is notorious, that is the same even for 5 grade scholarship, job interviews and even university exams or any other competitive exam.

How cruel to screen out people for life from getting degrees just because of this silly exam? Is this humane?

I can understand your feelings! But when there is a limited space for universities exams is the way you screen out people. And that is ALs.
So partying, wasting public money on unprofitable ventures, wasting money for the maintenance of a large cabinet while people suffer from bad health sector, deteriorating education sector, deteriorating law and order IS HUMANE?
Having drug dealers who ruin the lives of youth in the gove, having thugs who openly threaten people, who terrorize people, is HUMANE?
Protecting a killer that killed a man and raped his girlfriend is HUMANE?

You got it wrong mate. Policies are made by the so called intellectuals and learned people of yours. Politicians are just executing the policies according to their political agendas. There fore the so called intellectuals and learned people are responsible for the all the bad policies that has ruined Sri Lanka. I give you one such a example. Find out who made the Indo-Sri Lanka trade agreement.

Normally policies are made or influenced by politicians. That is why you see changes in policies once there is a change of government. That is true for all the countries and that is exactly why people vote and change the governments. That is to change policies.
In making policies non political figures like officials get involved but these official figures are political appointees of the prevailing gov and that is the case especially in SL. If gov is not making policies and it is the job of the officials what the hell does the gov do?
For example who are the architectures in current financial strategy (or correctly mess) in Sri Lanka? Basil Rajapakse, Ajith Cabraal and T.B jayasundara. Basil is a politician and others are political appointees. Who appointed them? Gov or in other words MR! why? Because they are his yes men!

So even according to you if government bear the most of the blame some should go to the educate people you are so glamorously portrait here as the saviors of the country. I'm only picking on the educated people because people like you are not willing to accept the reality of the educated people.

I never was talking about educated people what I was talking about was education in SL. Actually that is what this argument is about. It was you who dragged educated people in it cos you suffer from lack of arguments. These are two different topics and I have my own criticism on educated people in SL. But that doesn’t involve the topic but we are discussing that is EDUCATION IN SRI LANKA.
I have never said educated people are saviors, what I said was it is better to vote for a educated intellectual with a good track record than voting for drug dealers and thugs. Still can’t understand?
What is the reality of the educated people? I too am an educated person to a certain level and you too are! So what is this REALITY that I ignore that destroys the education in SL? Educated people can be good and bad just like any other people and it is not a problem of education.
The reason I say gov is to be blamed to the status of the education in SL is they are the ones RESPONSIBLE FOR IT! They are the ones who MAKE POLICIES! They are the ones who select the OFFICIALS! Got it idiot?

What I meant is that gov uni people are the most selfish and most stupidious pricks in the country

This is nothing about education in SL but your personal beef with state university undergrads.
I know they don’t let people like you to pay money and pursue a degree in SL, I too do not agree with them. But they too have reasons for that. That all waters down to lack of job opportunities.
I too agree there are idiots inside universities not only in SL but worldwide. But, not all. Actually the majority of uni undergrads have a good future in some faculties while others do not in some faculties.
Of course the uni undergrads are being selfish because they want to secure their job opportunities.

Yes I do. I really do not like those silly potheads.

So it is just your personal beef with uni undergrads and not anything regarding education in SL! I knew that!

At least any one can become rich and spend his money on learning. But no one can increase his brain's memorizing capacity to get beyond ALs if they want to.

There is nothing wrong in being rich and spending on learning. Actually I encourage that cos it is thousand times better than wasting your youth inside a night club.
Memorizing capacity? This is a very popular insult that is hurled at university goers by people who couldn’t get through ALs. May be those people tried to memorize all study materials thinking they can pass ALs by memorizing and ultimately they couldn’t. So they think their memorizing capabilities are not enough! Getting selected to universities are much much more than memorizing.

I fight for a change of this. Is it fair to neglect the rest 98,000 just because there are no seats in the universities to be given for them?

Of course we need to change our education system, there are a lot of problems in it. That is what I have been telling from the beginning!
Just because one cannot go to a university it doesn’t mean life is over for him/her. Obviously there should be a higher intake of many university faculties. The reason the intakes cannot be increased is the lack of funds.
The gov should come up with a policy to train and make a skilled workforce from the remaining students who couldn’t go to the universities. Actually there are a lot of options currently available like technical institutes but they suffer from lack of funds and bad management. Now don’t tell me if management is bad it is not the responsibility of gov, because gov is the one that appoint them.
Or else gov should come with a policy to let students pursue degrees at state unis at the payment of money along with students who go through merit.
See everything waters down to government again!
And what change and what fight are you talking about? You are just a blind government supporter who would say any wrong of the gov is right. People like you do not fight, you people just bow in front of gov politicians. And you don’t care about university undergrads who are victimized by mismanagement in state universities or poor farmers, or poor patients! You talk about fighting only because you were a victim of it.

Is it fair to neglect those just for some benches?

Who is asking to neglect? We are asking to take more students and create opportunities to have careers. To have improved technical institutes and improve education so that even an OL drop out would be able to find good employment and do a degree.

Start new universities? Where on Mars? Do you even know the plight of the Rajarata, Ruhunu, Sabaragamu or Uva universities? Do you know the so called "educated lecturers" do not want to go their to teach people because lectures are used to the cozy nature of Colombo and Kandy?

Gov itself is starting unheard private British universities all over SL. So why not use these spaces? We needn’t go to Mars then.
Exactly I know the plight! That is exactly what I am talking ne. I WAS talking about the PLIGHT. It was you who said our pure white and innocent gov has nothing to do with it and instead went on a rage against people who come out of state universities!
First Colombo and Kandy are not cosy.
And lecturers do go to these universities that is why, they function at least at this level. Between lecturing at a certain university is a career choice of lecturers and no one can question it.

So even if the gov. opens new universities as usual lectures will not go to them unless they were located closer to Colombo or Kandy and then the socialist nutcases will take to power in those universities. Then everything will be same again.

First visit these universities and see whether lecturers visit them. The reason students attend them and lessons are being done is because lecturers are lecturing. And why do you think Colombo and Pera are at good levels? They too are the same suffering from lack of funding.
You too are a socialist. and your hatred for educated people resemble a lot to Pol Pot from Cambodia.
Of course everything would be the same until we change our policies and this whole system.

Selfishness cannot handle or eradicate at will. It has to be done individually. But without changing the current system there is no hope.

The prevailing system or plight is a RESULT OF GOVERNMENT ACTIONS. You can’t change the system while whitewashing the gov!
By gov actions I don’t mean only the MR gov. It is the result of actions by gove since independence. MR is worsening it.

Then who is responsible for teaching and continuing outdated syllabuses in Campuses? Government?or the Lecturers?

Aney modayo! Lecturers and teachers can’t change syllabuses at their will. These are all gov initiatives.

There are not big issues as ruing the lives of more than 250,000 citizens of Sri Lanka every year.

What is ruining lives of about 250000? Pls elaborate!

The real issue lies in the AL exam. The all other issues in the education system is off springs from the AL issue.

Real issue is in whole education system. There are issues from primary to higher studies. Did you actually read what I types? The LACK OF TEACHERS IN SCHOOLS ISLAND WIDE, LACK OF TRAINING FOR TEACHERS, LACK OF TEXT BOOKS, TEXT BOOKS WITH WRONG INFORMATION, no resources, no proper libraries, no proper labs, and most importantly out dated syllabuses and also pathetic English language education.
The issues in education is obvious when looking at the OL results of the students. Did you read what I typed or ignore it? The rising failure rate especially in Maths and science, shows there are issues in the education.
Education as a whole is important. You are picking ALs most probably because you were victimised by it (in your words).

What is wrong with that? At least many will get a chance to say "I have passed the OLs". Isn't it a policy to be happy about.

This very well shows the mentality of the ones who create these policies and the mentality of the ones who support these policies.
Modayo, when you drop the standards for OL syllabus and exam the quality of student output drop downs. These students will find it difficult even to survive in ALs. Even if they survived ALs, the reduced quality would impact them afterwards when doing degrees and any professional education.
What do we need some momentarily happy OL passed students who become failures afterwards or thoroughly tested OL students who would shine and succeed after wards? That is planning looking at the future. Reducing quality of education and quality of exams is one of the dumbest decisions one can take. You are dumber than I thought.

What if the army say this? What if the police say this? And moreover this may be what the teachers saying when they were asked to go and teach in a rural school. It is not a bad thing no...

Actually army said that! That is why there were many deserters! That is why many left the army! One of the major reasons for army deserters were they were disappointed by the manner war was done. Only after there was a major turn round in weapons, good insurance schemes and pay soldiers became motivated. No one likes to die in a war that they’re going to lose. The resources that were needed were provided to do it as they wish.
The reason police men take bribes is a reason for lack of resources. Also if you are knowledgeable about SL you will know policemen didn’t like to go to difficult areas. That is one reason politicians can influence police, because they could transfer hard working police men who become a nuisance to them to difficult areas.
And now in SL being police men is not a bad thing at all. If you are in police and are obedient servants of politicians, they have a very good future both economically and career wise.
So your argument is pretty dumb. And yes teachers too are correct when saying they cannot go to rural areas. Because we cannot force anyone. When gov doesn’t provide resources and good pay people are reluctant to go. That is being selfish but not necessarily bad or criminal.
After all in a country that politicians (gov side) destroy every sector average person doesn’t like to go and serve in rural areas sacrificing chances for themselves.

After getting the full benefit of the free education. Huh..... poor tax payers.

Tax payers are poor in this country. Because people in this country are poor. And just because one gets free education these people are not bound to forego their own rights. To select a place of work is their right. It is the gov who should fund and retain people to do jobs in rural areas.
And what are rural areas? The fact that country is not developed and wrong economic policies are obvious with the prevalence of rural areas with less resources.

It is also human nature Mr. Saradiel to hold the money that is being poured to the education system because of the lack of result it generate.

First the money is not gov’s politicians’ private property to hold it as you say. (actually they don’t hold it but pocket it. I see you have no problem with that.)
If education system doesn’t generate results you don’t cut funds to it. That is suicidal and can only come through the mouth of an idiot. If education system doesn’t have results you research what is wrong in it and correct the wrongs, you don’t destroy education for that, idiot.
And who says education sys in SL doesn’t generate results? Go to hospitals and look at doctors they are results. Go to any company which hire lankan graduates and see the results.

Let me make a summary of whole your argument. For you,
1. Education is what is after ALs and anything from kindergarten to ALs is not education.
2. The issues in education are after ALs, which is purely due to personal reasons.
3. State universities are useless because it has people who has gone by memorizing study texts and therefore anything wrong in it is ok and better to have no free state university, which is again due to your personal reasons.
Actually machan the one who is being selfish here are not doctors or teachers but you. You don’t care what happen to state university cos you were not benefited from it. And your contempt for any graduate coming from state universities is nothing but pure jealousy.

Then there is no different between the doctors, engineers etc. and the politicians. All are in the same boat. All work for themselves by misleading the public. All steal the public money to suite there benefits.

First doctors and engineers earn by their own work. If they work in a sophisticated company with good facilities it doesn’t make them criminal and they don’t steal public money actually they earn using their own knowledge and hard working which politicians don’t do. And I belive even SL benefit from their working.
Politicians earn by fraud, stealing, cheating, and pocketing public money. Can you at least see the difference?
In you long responses; you didn’t say a single word criticizing the doggy politicians but criticize the working people for wrong reasons. As I said earlier you are a silly gov supporter who would bend over to politicians no matter what they do and not a patriot.

Who manage the hospitals? Doctors isn't it? Don't they have the authority and ability to get what they want from the government stores? Are they all sitting idle until government come and give everything to them?

Gon puthe, hospitals are managed by a management board! Management boards have doctors but almost all these doctors are appointed by the ministry after minister’s approval. And minister has the power to appoint any nut job he wants. Also doctors in the management boards have to act according to politicians say. That is the sorry state. The politicians do influence these management boards.
Also even if the doctors are the ones who are wrong gov has the responsibility to find corrective and preventive actions to secure good management in hospitals. That is what a ministry of health is for in SL. Management boards run according to ministry protocols which are again manned by ministers.
The reasons a gov is appointed is to secure good management of these institutions if not, for what do we need a gov?

What the hell these doctors did until the stokes reach to the Panadol and Piriton? Who manages these hospitals?

Again gon puthe, doctors in hospitals ask for medicines the reason the gov doesn’t provide medicines are LACK FO FUNDS as they themselves say.
So you have no answer to give to gov not providing hospital beds, medicines and facilities to people but spend money to treat a prieminister close to death in Singpore and treat thugs drug dealers in singapore? You have no problem with that? The only problems you have with are the poor doctors working in poor rural hospitals? Shame on you man!

I do not know google it.

You are the one bending over to gov politicians here. As according to you gov is good and pure like a white swan, you should find something to give.
Your reluctance to even talk about kidney patients in SL show what sort of a unpatriotic man you are. Gov lackey! Shame on you again!

State the problems. So I can get a better understanding of the situation.

There is no gain in stating them to you, you would just whitewash gov. Just keep in mind not to go or take a relative of yours for any bypass or any operation for that hospital.

No this is actually lack of funding and poor planning and management of hospitals.

Answered above

Aren't the doctors managing the hospitals?

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Corrupting the funds are also part of the current system. It is mostly done by the staff of the public organizations.

So gove politicians are not corrupt but all the money is pocketed by poor staff there? Aney ban!

Ok let's assume the government correct itself. But if the rest of the people involved in the system is not corrected themselves the system won't be any good.

First gove won’t get corrected as long as there are people like you. They bravely indulge in corruption and thuggish acts as long as there are idiots like you who will whitewash them. If gov (top) of the country acts correct everything else would fall in order.

What I'm saying is the government is not the single guilty party.

I never said gov is the only guilty one, but the biggest and the major corrupt factor in SL. People in SL are corrupt so the gov you get is also corrupt, because people get the gov they deserve, best example is you.
As long as people become blind followers of the gove and whitewash its misdeeds and vote for thugs, drug dealers and murderers this cycle would continue.

Ok then defeat this government and bring the Ranil to power. He will make this country prosper.

Ranil would do a better job at this time. At least he turned the negative growth rate into positive. The best thing this country need at this moment is a regime change, but as we see no sign of it at least vote for good people to the gov and pressurize the gov to go on correct path. Stand up for your fellow citizens victimized by gov.
Don’t tolerate and whitewash the gov when it abuse power and engage in corruption.

So it is a salary problem. If the Doctors get all the benefits of the politicians then the Doctors will work in remote areas. Great.

Gon puthe, doctors are not asking for politicians benefits, they are asking for suitable working conditions, suitable living conditions and a good salary that fits their position and the dedication.
Actually the reason not only doctors but every educated person is leaving this country is they see where it is going. Though idiots like you want to remain in dark things are getting worse here. Law and order are deteriorating, politicians can abuse power and there is no justice. The systems to safe guard people are not working. The children of these people do not have a good education but a deteriorating one. So naturally they feel they don’t have a future here!

And remember Freedom for education is also a right of the people.

And no one is stopping anyone from education. That is a right given in constitution. The same way people have the right to go to a state university which they earned based on their AL result with good conditions.

Two people against the rest of 20 million. What a logic. The parents might have contributed a lot.

Seriously you are so dumb!
I was talking about the whole set of university goers.

Maybe....... who knows........

Umba paw ban, eeta wada rata paw!

Well people can vote them out for every five years. We do not get a chance to vote out doctors if we like to.

I should hit my head in a rock for debating with an idiot like you.
Politicians are ABUSING power. We didn’t vote them to pocket our money. At least doctors earned their status and they are born with the right to free education in SL. Politicians too got free education.
So do you vote out when politicians do any wrong?

Who do infra development to help poor people. It got nothing to do with poor people.

Infra development is done to elevate the status of lives of people and to facilitate the development. That is not being done. The point of development is making people developed with good opportunities and good job access better facilities, law and order a functioning country!
That is why I said people blame the gov.

Hehe.... you contradict your self here. In order to develop industry one has to have good infrastructure to support the industry.

gon puthe,
I didn’t say developing infr is bad, what I said was it won’t create development if no industry is developed. If you read what I said from the beginning, it is that gov is not improving industry in SL. Actually the biggest gainers in infra development in SL is foreign contractors who spend millions as commission for ministers.
There is NO gain from developing infra without developing industry and developing people. The result would be only mega structures with no jobs, no income generation and no industry development.
SL would have a major power crisis in the coming years. What has gov done for that? Has this gov done anything apart from building roads and parks? And of course unprofitable ventures!

Oh Indian may have a different opinion on corruption of their country.

India is a corrupt country. What I said was even in india politicians would have to face wrath of people and law once they are exposed. In SL even if they are exposed by media no action would be taken and people wouldn’t care after two three days.

If there is a easy and direct method to end corruption in Sri Lanka I would have happily abide by it.

There aren’t any easy methods to stop these, but dedication, hard work, organizing and remaining attentive to status of the country is required.
First
1. Don’t white wash corrupt politicians’s misdeeds and corruption.
2. Don’t blame other poor people for actions of politicians.
3. Acknowledge the problem
4. Do not tolerate when gov abuse power.
5. Do not vote for politicians who have a history of corruption and violence.
6. Do not whitewash gov’s loss making ventures.
And there are many ‘Dos’ as well but for a gutless gov lackey like you begin with the above.
Also I not you have stopped talking about COPE. Good that you have stopped it s further talking into it would embarrass you further.
Also you didn’t answer my following, is it because you have no answer?
Tell me a single industry this gov initiated! Do you know what our biggest source of income is? Tell me a single factory this gov opened? Tell me a single power project this gov completed successfully? Tell me why gov is carrying on with a Mihin air which has resulted in LOSSES in BILLIONS? Tell me WHY? Tell me how a profit making national carrier was turned into a loss making venture as soon as gov took its control? Tell me why poor farmers have to burn their paddy stocks because the gov agencies aren’t buying the paddy? Tell me why farmers in Nuwaraeliya, Mahiyangana had to throw milk on the road sides because gov agencies are not buying their milk, that too while SL spend 500 million Rs to import milk powder.

And don’t you have any problem with current law and order? Abuse of power by politicians, don’t you have a problem with rising drug problem and the fact that drug dealers are inside the parliament, don’t you have a problem with murderers going unpunished and even inside parliament. Don’t u have a prob with that?
Just look at what happened to Akurassa rape case!

 

[Chronos]

What the hell Saradiel? How could you answer all his queries?

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[Gibbs]

What the hell Saradiel? How could you answer all his queries?

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He has got very valid points though.. You cant build a nation without being critical when it needs to be, You cannot give blanket approval to regimes in the guise of nationalism

Massive infrastructure development does not constitute a successful nation state without human development of it's citizens.. In Lanka at this moment that is glaringly evident..

Btw your query about references to Sri Lankan history.. Try

An Historical Relation of the Island Ceylon - By Robert Knox : Chronicles by an Englishmen living in Ceylon in the 1600, Gives you a insight from a European point of view of the life in the island in the 1600's

Children of the Lion - Carl Muller: A quasi fictional novel of the Sinhalese people.. Basically a readable version of the Mahavamsa (Great Chronicle) The written history of the race

Ceylon - Twentieth Century Impressions - Wright Amold

 

[Chronos]

@Gibbs. Thank you =)

I am just amazed @ Saradiels patience LOL

 

[HeinzG]

People don’t get educated by chance; education can only be won by hard work, talent and intelligence.

Then why these educated people oppose to private medical degrees? Fear of the deflation of their artificially inflated demand?

If education is bad, why is people spending money to go abroad and study? Why do you study spending money? The reason you spend money and spend your precious time for that is, education gives you some value, doesn’t it?

I see the value and also I'm not barring the others from getting the education they want.

The ones whom you call as educated class and direct your anger at are the ones who come from state universities. So it is nothing but personal vendetta.

That's because they are the only people who are in the top of the ladder. Maybe in the future I can throw the blame at private university educates.

Now who has barred that in SL? In SL people can spend their money and get a degree.

Can anyone get a MBBS by spending money? Don't fool yourself.

There are many private institutes that offer many degrees in Computing and IT.

WTF? computer and IT are the only degrees available to the people? Where are the institutes who offer BSc, B(Eng) or MBBS in Sri Lanka with the acceptance of public university people?

But do you see any anger or resistance from the state university students? NO! Why because there are enough jobs in the SL for it.

No. That's not the answer. The answer is that your own public graduates think that computer and IT are lesser subjects compared to Engineering and Medicine. That's why.

And around the world you will see Harvard degree holder is way more important and a class apart from a normal graduate in SL.

Well the difference between the Harvard degree holder and the Sri Lankan degree holder is that the Harvard degree holder do not go around stopping the people who study in other lesser universities saying they do not deserve the degree.

So what is your suggestion to screen out people?

I'm not a suitable person to answer this. But I have a common sense to see the problems in the AL examination.

I know AL may not be the perfect method to test who should go to university, but still it is the prevailing system and the best among we have.

Who say it is the best. You? Is it best because it produce more than 10,000 jobless BA graduates?

If we have a limited amount of space in universities we have to have a method to screen out people. AL is how we do that.

The school leaving exam is designed to fail people so the Universities can screen people.

Why not set a specific exam for that and leave the ALs out.

Even if you go to a job interview there is a method to screen out people. You can’t roll in the floor and cry that is notorious. Either you get ready for that or chose a different path that suits you.

If I fail a job interview I can find out why I failed and try again in a different time. But it is not the case in GCE A/Ls you have only 3 chances and you have to do it before you hit 21 years of age.

AL is not responsible for any problems in our education. If you say ALs is notorious, that is the same even for 5 grade scholarship

So true.

I can understand your feelings! But when there is a limited space for universities exams is the way you screen out people. And that is ALs.

Let's suppose we have limited space in our country. Can we screen out Tamils and Muslims and keep only Sinhalese? Isn't it the same situation in ALs?

So partying, wasting public money on unprofitable ventures, wasting money for the maintenance of a large cabinet while people suffer from bad health sector, deteriorating education sector, deteriorating law and order IS HUMANE?
Having drug dealers who ruin the lives of youth in the gove, having thugs who openly threaten people, who terrorize people, is HUMANE?
Protecting a killer that killed a man and raped his girlfriend is HUMANE?

Not worth answering.

Normally policies are made or influenced by politicians. That is why you see changes in policies once there is a change of government.

But bear in mind some policies do not change despite the change in government in Sri Lanka. Such as the policy of education, policy of medical practice/hospitals, policy of electricity board etc.

If gov is not making policies and it is the job of the officials what the hell does the gov do?

Government implement the policies when the time is ripe according to their political calculations.

For example who are the architectures in current financial strategy (or correctly mess) in Sri Lanka? Basil Rajapakse, Ajith Cabraal and T.B jayasundara. Basil is a politician and others are political appointees. Who appointed them? Gov or in other words MR! why? Because they are his yes men!

The architect of the current financial mess is the P.B. Jayasundara. But for some reason MR is not changing him. But for that we cannot just throw MR away

Even if MR got thrown away, people like P.B. Jayasundaya, Ajith Cabral will not get thrown away because they are the officials. They do not bound to any political party. They are just only YES MEN. We have seen it in 2004 and 2005. If you do not know it I cannot help.

I never was talking about educated people what I was talking about was education in SL. Actually that is what this argument is about. It was you who dragged educated people in it cos you suffer from lack of arguments. These are two different topics and I have my own criticism on educated people in SL. But that doesn’t involve the topic but we are discussing that is EDUCATION IN SRI LANKA.

We cannot just talk about the tree without considering it's fruits. If you do not want consider the fruits of the tree then there is some suspicion.

We only get what we seed. Remember that.

I have never said educated people are saviors, what I said was it is better to vote for a educated intellectual with a good track record than voting for drug dealers and thugs. Still can’t understand?

Tell me who are the educated intellectual with a good track record entering into the political arena to chose from.

If the educated intellectual do not come into politics just because as they say politics is dirty and corrupt. Why blame the poor voters.

This is nothing about education in SL but your personal beef with state university undergrads.
I know they don’t let people like you to pay money and pursue a degree in SL, I too do not agree with them. But they too have reasons for that. That all waters down to lack of job opportunities.

Who the hell are the university undergrads to decide who will get to be chosen as undergrads and who will not. Lack of job opportunity is not my problem and it's not theirs problem. We both cannot solve it.

Those undergrads should be shot in the public. Silly buggers think they know it all. WTF? Who the hell are they do stop me spending my money on things I want. (Unless something illegal)

Actually the majority of uni undergrads have a good future in some faculties while others do not in some faculties.

Don't you wanna investigate why? Don't your beloved undergrads do anything about it other than beating the dead horses.

Of course the uni undergrads are being selfish because they want to secure their job opportunities.

You summed it up all. Thank you. Now am I the person with jealousy?

Just because one cannot go to a university it doesn’t mean life is over for him/her.

In Sri Lanka your life will be over even if you are selected to a Uni.

The gov should come up with a policy to train and make a skilled workforce from the remaining students who couldn’t go to the universities.

You mean the servants of the graduates like the T/Os in construction sites and nurses and other related medi. people. Huh......

Or else gov should come with a policy to let students pursue degrees at state unis at the payment of money along with students who go through merit.

*කෙ*ාරල තියෙයි. එතකොට කැම්පස් උන් නැට්ට උස්සන් එන හැටි බලන්න තිබුන.

And you don’t care about university undergrads who are victimized by mismanagement in state universities or poor farmers, or poor patients! You talk about fighting only because you were a victim of it.

Who the F? Told them to go to government Unis?

Is it wrong to fight because I'm a victim of it? Nevertheless I'm fighting not for me. I'm fighting for the millions of people who got victimized and for the countless millions who will get victimized.

You do not understand it because your in the lucky or unlucky few who got through.

Gov itself is starting unheard private British universities all over SL. So why not use these spaces? We needn’t go to Mars then.

Who gives the money you? Don't just say government can save money by barring the corruption. Let's get real. At least encourage even the slightest chance for the victims to get their lives better.

Do not just make humor out of those British universities. In fact they are better ranked than the best Sri Lankan universities.

Between lecturing at a certain university is a career choice of lecturers and no one can question it.

Lecturers are government employees. They do what the government wants them do. Not what they want. Or else how the hell government do what the government want to do whether it is right or wrong.

You say the lecturers are right and blame the government who appointing the unsuitable people to government positions. You eat your own words.

So is it justifiable to blame the government?

Aney modayo! Lecturers and teachers can’t change syllabuses at their will. These are all gov initiatives.

Who make the syllabuses in school? Bandula Gunwardane? If you want to find out check the second page of the "acchu potha"

Who make the university syllabuses? S.B? In fact why not the university syllabuses are not available to see by general public. I mean general public spend money on the education system and their children go it. They have a eternal right for that.

What is ruining lives of about 250000? Pls elaborate!

The people who do not selected to universities each year.

Real issue is in whole education system. There are issues from primary to higher studies. Did you actually read what I types? The LACK OF TEACHERS IN SCHOOLS ISLAND WIDE, LACK OF TRAINING FOR TEACHERS, LACK OF TEXT BOOKS, TEXT BOOKS WITH WRONG INFORMATION, no resources, no proper libraries, no proper labs, and most importantly out dated syllabuses and also pathetic English language education.
The issues in education is obvious when looking at the OL results of the students. Did you read what I typed or ignore it?

Yes I ignored them because these are minor issues. The pressing issue in the education system is not these.

Education as a whole is important. You are picking ALs most probably because you were victimised by it (in your words).

Yes. Education as a whole is important. But the AL is the pinnacle of the primary and secondary education. Currently it is the only gate to the tertiary education for many. If many students fail to pass the gates to the universities why worry about the other issues like poor quality in English teaching, lack of teachers or the text books with wrong information.

What do we need some momentarily happy OL passed students who become failures afterwards or thoroughly tested OL students who would shine and succeed after wards? That is planning looking at the future. Reducing quality of education and quality of exams is one of the dumbest decisions one can take. You are dumber than I thought.

Who are you to decide the people who pass OL in these days are failures just because the exam is ease. You may be very intelligent.

Actually army said that! That is why there were many deserters! That is why many left the army! One of the major reasons for army deserters were they were disappointed by the manner war was done.

Army deserters can be shot for deserting the army or face severe punishment. Do teachers should be subjected to such treatments?

So your argument is pretty dumb. And yes teachers too are correct when saying they cannot go to rural areas. Because we cannot force anyone.

Then why frickin forcing the people not to spend money on MBBS degrees. Why?

And just because one gets free education these people are not bound to forego their own rights. To select a place of work is their right.

Then who is responsible of the public money spent. You know we let politicians to handle our public money because we can change them accordingly. What ever politician do he is entitle to face the voters in the end. He is responsible for the people.

The public graduates and under graduates are directly accountable for the public money they use. The fact is that our people do not go with the public graduates and under graduates all the way as the politicians because the general public have some respect for them. That respect is the one that get raped in broad daylight by the public graduates and under graduates.

The public graduates must pay back what they spent on learning. It is a must. But remember our people are too soft with the public graduates.

In you long responses; you didn’t say a single word criticizing the doggy politicians but criticize the working people for wrong reasons. As I said earlier you are a silly gov supporter who would bend over to politicians no matter what they do and not a patriot.

I criticize the politicians when it is right to criticize them. But it is not this topic.

Though idiots like you want to remain in dark things are getting worse here. Law and order are deteriorating, politicians can abuse power and there is no justice.

I'm not as bright as those doctors and other intellectuals. But I including the others who stays here and try do something is the ones who get into the dirt and try to fix this system.

Because we care for the country and the people.

Maybe we fail but we will go down fighting rather than running away.

It is easy to criticize staying far away from the real thing.

 

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Also I not you have stopped talking about COPE. Good that you have stopped it s further talking into it would embarrass you further.
Also you didn’t answer my following, is it because you have no answer?
Tell me a single industry this gov initiated! Do you know what our biggest source of income is? Tell me a single factory this gov opened? Tell me a single power project this gov completed successfully? Tell me why gov is carrying on with a Mihin air which has resulted in LOSSES in BILLIONS? Tell me WHY? Tell me how a profit making national carrier was turned into a loss making venture as soon as gov took its control? Tell me why poor farmers have to burn their paddy stocks because the gov agencies aren’t buying the paddy? Tell me why farmers in Nuwaraeliya, Mahiyangana had to throw milk on the road sides because gov agencies are not buying their milk, that too while SL spend 500 million Rs to import milk powder.

Yes I do not have answers. Also remember that all of your queries except the Mihin Air one are existed with all most every government during the past 20-30 years.

If you believe that just by changing the current MR government that those issues will be solved then you are wronged.

The real issue lies not with the politics.

And don’t you have any problem with current law and order? Abuse of power by politicians, don’t you have a problem with rising drug problem and the fact that drug dealers are inside the parliament, don’t you have a problem with murderers going unpunished and even inside parliament. Don’t u have a prob with that?
Just look at what happened to Akurassa rape case!

These things could have been easily avoided if we had the old electoral system.