Saradiel
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"Educated class" are as according to me is the people who comes from poorer backgrounds or with certain mentality who attained a degree thorough government universities selected by the notorious ALs.
Well I am correct in my guess then, you meant the educated class!
There is no class called educated class in SL, it is the educated people we have in SL. Educated people do not come only from poor backgrounds. Even if people from poor backgrounds and become educated what is wrong in it? Isnt that what we aspire as a country? Isnt that the development of the people we want? There is nothing wrong in people from poor backgrounds becoming educated.
And how are ALs notorious? Please elaborate. AL is an examination that helps to screen out people to go to universities. That is what that has given us many intellectuals and learned people who has done a lot for the country to keep it even in this state whatever bad policies our govs take.
And believe me, ALs and educated people coming from poor background arent the ones who has destroyed education, it is the BAD POLICIES OF THE GOV, INACTION OF GOV, LACK OF FUNDING.
By that I didnt mean every other part is perfect, there are problems in everywhere, but still gov would have to bear most of the blame.
These educated people in turn prohibits the education they received to fall into a hands of the "lesser people" as they like to call the other who are not able to get selected to learn what they could.
What do you mean? Please elaborate!
Are you showing your dissatisfaction towards uni people resisting private universities?
It is like the old days when the richer people tried to held on to the educational benefits by using their money. That system was changed unfortunately to only be used by the people who benefited from the downfall of the richer class.
Actually it is still the same where rich people enjoy educational benefits using their money power. It is the same throughout the world.
I understand your feelings. Nearly 100,000 people sit for ALs every year but only 11,000 of them get selected to universities.
That is why I say gov should fund and restructure universities, start new universities and career paths to help the rest of the students who dont get selected. I understand there are people in state universities who do not like people with less AL marks to get into the same path. That is selfishness that needs to be handled.
Again this is a problem of lack of resources which is again watered down to govs lack of funding for universities and not taking actions to prevent such a situation.
Also dearth of employment opportunities which again is a result of gov policies causes this.
And by education it doesnt mean only the university education. What about the primary and secondary level education? Problems in school systems, syllabus modernization, school education in poor schools (even in Colombo district) is at a very low standard. You go to schools in remote areas, you will see real problems. Lack of teachers and the lack of the training for teachers in these areas is a big problem.
It can be seen from the OL results of the students from all over the country where only a handful of schools perform well while number of students failing OLs is rising especially out of Colombo, Kandy, Galle. That is there is a big problem in our school systems. Many students fail in subjects like Maths and science. What has gov done to address this? Do you know what? Gov has lowered the level of OL syllabus and OL exam so that more students would pass exams.
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How many doctors are willing to work in rural hospitals? How many specialists are willing to go to those rural areas?
There are doctors and specialists working in rural hospitals. But many doctors are unwilling to go to rural areas because like in ever sphere people like to stay with their loved ones and work in sophisticated areas. It is human nature, not necessarily a bad thing.
That is exactly why many people migrate to western countries, because they believe they are treated well with good living conditions, good schools for their children unlike what they get in SL. We cant blame them, that is human nature and going in search of greener pastures is not a crime.
They must be thinking if politicians in this country can steal in millions, terrorize people and the people living in this country do not care the antics of politicians for two cents why the hell they are toiling for this country. Instead they go for a place that can guarantee a good future for them and their children. Same way doctors might be reluctant to work in rural areas for the same reasons.
Also isnt that a reminder that there are under developed rural areas in SL even after we have gained independence for 65 years?
And my point was about lack of medicine in gov hospitals in rural and in western province. How the hell is doctors unwillingness to go to rural areas make hospitals from rural areas have less medicine?, less beds and lesser facilities? Isnt it the responsibility of the government?
Do you know in Polonnaruwa, where there are thousands of patients suffering from kidney diseases, gov hospitals have only Panadol and piriton as the ONLY drug? Whatever the disease patients have doctors can only give them a panadol! Is it the problem of the doctors? Or the gov?
There is a problem of rising kidney diseases in north central, what has gov done? What program has gove started to help the people who are suffering from it? What has gov done to prevent it any further?
If you take a gov hospital like Jayawardanapura there are lot a problems. What has gov done to remedy them?
It is not the funding but the utter selfishness of the doctors and supporting staff. (This is not the case every time though.) (But few good doctors won't change the whole system.)
So you mean patients in gov hospitals have to go and buy every medicine from pharmacy, and the fact that rural hospitals have only panadol, the fact that there are lesser number of beds in hospitals which make patients to sleep on floor are NOT due to lack of funding but because of doctors selfishness.?
And the corruption, mismanagement and nepotism in hospital management boards are solely the problem of doctors? I dont say it is solely the problem of gov.
It is the problem of the people who would go to any length to justify and whitewash the gov. The problem is the ignorant idiotic people who would fall into any gov propaganda and do not use the grey matter inside their head. The gutless idiots who feed on gov propaganda are the biggest problem in this country!
It doesn't matter how much money is pumped into the system unless the system is functioning properly.
Of course so why not correct the system? Who runs the system? Isnt providing sufficient funds itself is a part of system?
What do you think would happen if government punish some corrupt official in a hospitalet it be a doctor, nurse or a helper)? The whole generations of doctors, nurses and other associate staff will do strikes throughout the whole island. What government would think of doing such a stupid thing of sacking a corrupt official? Your government mate?
First gov itself is corrupt more than an official in a hospital ever be. I know people who work in hospitals especially attendants are corrupt and take bribes. If you go and check these peoples pay you will understand why. Most of these people are pathetically under paid in a country where cost of living is rising. So people like these are prone to such acts. Gov need a lot of changes in its policies.
And that was not my point ne. I dont say workers in hospitals are perfect. It is the lack of medicine and facilities throughout the islands hospitals I was talking about. And please answer me with your conscience isnt that the responsibility of the gov. That too while gov is spending millions of money (wasting) on unnecessary things? Common man suffers when people in gov party.
Why do we have to bear the cost when politicians go to hospitals in Singapore while we cant even take care of our people in rural areas? What is the justice in it? Isnt that totally absurd? Why is the gov wasting loaned money on economically unviable projects just to boost their image while our people suffer with lack of jobs, poor health care?
Tell me a single industry this gov initiated! Do you know what our biggest source of income is? Tell me a single factory this gov opened? Tell me a single power project this gov completed successfully? Tell me why gov is carrying on with a Mihin air which has resulted in LOSSES in BILLIONS? Tell me WHY? Tell me how a profit making national carrier was turned into a loss making venture as soon as gov took its control? Tell me why poor farmers have to burn their paddy stocks because the gov agencies arent buying the paddy? Tell me why farmers in Nuwaraeliya, Mahiyangana had to throw milk on the road sides because gov agencies are not buying their milk, that too while SL spend 500 million Rs to import milk powder.
This is the excuse every government employee make including the "Doctors". Let them be compared to the employees of the private sector who do more work in any fiscal year for far less salary and for far less benefits. Who in the world would get tax free cars in private sector?
Same way compare the salaries private sector offers to them and that they manage their stuff very well unlike the gov managed institutes! Understand this, the problem in healthcare in SL is not because of doctors or workers but because of govs lack of funding, inaction, bad policies!
When the ones who manage stuff do not do their responsibilities and when they themselves are corrupt, lesser individuals within the system also do wrong things. That is natural because the system is not running and the body that is running the system doesnt care.
This is a pattern in SL where we allow the system to rot and whitewashes the people responsible for it but point out finger at other small wrong doers who are results of the rotten system.
Let's face it. It is so annoying for the doctors to hold on to their salary issue when they have been educated for almost free of cost to a degree that is worth 60 lacks in the market.
Do you know the salary of a doctor? So you mean these people should keep shut up just because they got a free education and live with a meager amount while the uneducated ******** in the parliament make havoc in the economy?
Free education is a right of these people it is not something gov magnanimously give. And how many of them come from free education? Dont we have doctors who come from private schools? The parents of these doctors have contributed towards financing free education by means of paying tax. Both you and I pay that too. It is not magnanimity of the gov.
If anyone points at the worth of a degree in medicine as an excuse for low salary levels of medical practitioners in SL it is nothing else but sheer jealousy!
The irony is the very people who point at doctors and their free education are the first to whitewash politicians and gov even when these politicians have also received free education, and now free petrol, free food, free vehicles, electricity, telephone and everything at free of charge, free lands, free license for bars.
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I do not think SL is better in corruption scale. We have to do more to be any good in this sector. But what I meant was that we cannot be 100% perfect. No country is and No country would be.
The very reason some talked about corruption in other countries is to dilute the level of corruption in SL. I dont care how much corrupted the rest of the world is, it is this country that matter to me.
The reason I pointed out the corruption is your SL buddies here couldnt understand why people dislike the government after all these infrastructure development.
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because honey infra development hasnt really helped the poor people. No industry development and as a result no jobs. So naturally people will blame the gov which they should do.
Corruption in SL is not in a state that is bearable. Corruption has reached its peak. Corruption is a cancer in this country. Have you ever heard of 10%? Dont you see how local councils members get rich once they are elected to council. Dont you see how public money is spent even to build houses for council members? Not only that, SL loses 2% of its GDP rate due to corruption.
2% SL GDP growth lost due to corruption : Top economist
At least in other countries when corruption is exposed by media, gov would HAVE to take action. Because they fear law, people and opposition. That is not the case for SL. Gov do it willingly as they believe no one would question them. Even in india, 2G case look at the media expose and subsequent gov actions. You dont see that in SL. Politicians loot and make corrupt deals in the OPEN. Because they DONT fear our laws and our people dont care.
COPE is heavily mingled with politics. The opposition is using it against the government only to take the power for themselves. After that they behave just like the government and maybe the COPE version 2 may come out. Then the next opposition party will using against their ruling party.
Seriously you know nothing about COPE (like most of the things)
Cope means a committee that is appointed by the parliament regarding government owned public companies. The committee has members from all the parties in parliament based on their numbers. So COPE is a parliament document. The current chairman of COPE is Dew Gunesekara who is a government MP.
Parliament of Sri Lanka - Committee on Public Enterprises
Committee On Public Enterprises (Sri Lanka) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It has nothing with politics. If opposition is using the COPE to attack gov that is a good thing because it is what is expected in a democratic gov. That is what makes a gov answerable to its people and make it afraid to do corruption. However that is not so in SL. I have hardly seen opposition members using COPE to question gov which they should do.
So your point is opposition would also be corrupt like this gov so we let the current ones to continue the looting it is doing now? Is that what your suggesting? You are not patriotic or has any love for your country but just a gov lackey who would go to any length to whitewash gov.
[/QUOTE]This thing goes around like the wheel. If we want to finish it we have to go the core of the problem which is not just punishing the criminals in COPE report. (Which won't happen because of the monkey jumps specially in the business community.)
Of course that is what I am saying finish the cycle.
The first thing in finishing the cycle is ACKNOWLEDGING the problem. That is accepting there is a problem and think about it rationally.
Do you see that even in this thread? Do you see SLns here acknowledging it? The only thing I see is constant boasting about how SL is without any problem while we are drowned in many problems to our neck level. We have tolerated these kinds of malpractices of the government to such a level that we have a questionable future ahead!
The ignorance and stupidity displayed here by many SL posters thinking SL will be developed over night compelled me to speak about it.
What we need at the moment is we need to create a powerful movement from the society. Not politicians but the people. SL has the highest growth in number of management accountants in South asia, but our economy is in a poor state. The intellectuals, educated people from all fields should get together and think and decide what should be done in this critical juncture. We should create a knowledge base in economy, defence, policy making, agriculture everything. As our politicians are failing us we need to take responsibility of this country. Question gov, come with solutions to problems and compel the gov to work for the country.
Hoping MR will deliver everything and remain silent on his acts will not help us.
You are being overly negative. Who do you think can replace government? UNP that is struggling to hold itself together? As the other members posted, why don't you show us facts instead of stating your opinion? Want me you remind you of the paradise that existed before Satan (MR) came to power? These useless power struggles were always an obstacle for the development of the country. Our own people are the biggest enemies of the country.
The truth is Sri Lanka is developing like never fore. I agree on the part you said about our disillusioned pride. we have a long way to go instead of taking pride in every little thing but that doesn't mean you can disregard the progress made by the country in past 4 years. Please have a balanced opinion.
I am not being negative, I am being realistic. Being overly optimistic ignoring realities wont help us.
The point is we need a paradigm shift in the way we govern this country. If the current politician (gov) isnt doing the job create a force. At least vote for decent educated men/women who are intellectuals in this country.
Do you still need facts to show SL is corrupted? Man I live in it. Corruption is an everyday thing for sri Lankans. If really into corruption read COPE reports. And did you even try to refute what I say in other posts. First come with a proper argument then ask for stats from me.
SL never was a paradise, we had many problems. We never found solutions for problems and now the problems have grown in such a scale that we need sudden and drastic changes. Things in SL have been deteriorating since 48 and after MR came into power it is rapidly deteriorating in many sectors.
Physical buildings and roads do NOT represent development. SL is heavily indebted and we have invested the money on unprofitable ventures.
Of course the ones who ignore problems and whitewash gov in its evert act is the biggest enemy of this country.
Balanced opinion is not something that gives negativities and positivities in equal amount (even you re not so in your own comments), but not being partial to any side.
What power struggles? Power struggles are the ones that keep politicians in check. As I said before infra development is not development. We fail in sustainable development. Where is job creation? Where is GDP growing like other post war economies? Why are our public enterprises keep running at a loss?
And this is only about the economy.
What about the rule of law, drug smugglers are part of the government, thugs are part of the gov, why is gov and MR silent on this. Why is MR silent on Mervin silva? Why is gov not punishing culprits in Kurram sheikh murder case but protecting them even worsening the image of SL for political gains? WHY? WHY? WHY? Is that the picture of a country going in the right direction?
Why people are leaving the country? And why have you left SL?