Buddhism - Declined or Brutalized in the land of its birth?

[John Reese]

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Source: STATE OF MIND - By manu rajnish

@padamchen

When I see Word Non aryans

I smell Propaganda

A theory which genetically disproved

 

[John Reese]

Yes man.

This thread gave me no pleasure. Especially when I hear beyond the silence of my Hindu friends here. Oldies.

Lol Hinduism Don't Need justification to Violent barbarians Abarahimic faiths who Fought control Of the City Of Jerusalem's for centuries

 

[padamchen]

Lol Hinduism Don't Need justification to Violent barbarians Abarahimic faiths who Fought control Of the City Of Jerusalem's for centuries

True.

But should give the myth a rest.

No religion is peaceful. When in power or threatened.

Cheers, Doc

 

[John Reese]

True.

But should give the myth a rest.

No religion is peaceful. When in power or threatened.

Cheers, Doc

Most Of the Attacks of Hindu are Land Grabs And high caste politics Political Drama
Buddhism & Jainism in no way threaten Hinduism

But I Tell you hindu kings Gone out Of the way to protect Buddhism

Have you ever Visited Dharama shala monestary No You should


read who was
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padmasambhava

 

[padamchen]

Most Of the Attacks of Hindu are Land Grabs And high caste politics Political Drama
Buddhism & Jainism in no way threaten Hinduism

But I Tell you hindu kings Gone out Of the way to protect Buddhism

Have you ever Visited Dharama shala monestary No You should


read who was
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padmasambhava

Hinduism is a dynamic religion.

Just because they attacked Buddhism when it was a rival religion, does not mean it would do the same when it was culled to size and absorbed under the "Dharmic" umbrella.

Cheers, Doc

 

[John Reese]

Hinduism is a dynamic religion.

Just because they attacked Buddhism when it was a rival religion, does not mean it would do the same when it was culled to size and absorbed under the "Dharmic" umbrella.

Cheers, Doc

Such Rivality Presented Among various Sects And Philosophy of Hinduism as wells If you search brief About It

Fights Among Various sects and philosophical schools of Hinduisms Shiavites ,Shaktism ,Vashnavs
So on

But It was not To the extermination level Like Zoroastrian in iran And Paganism in Middle east by Umyyads caliphate

 

[padamchen]

Such Rivality Presented Among various Sects And Philosophy of Hinduism as wells If you search brief About It

Fights Among Various sects and philosophical schools of Hinduisms Shiavites ,Shaktism ,Vashnavs
So on

But It was not To the extermination level Like Zoroastrian in iran And Paganism in Middle east by Umyyads caliphate

Very true. And I largely agree.

My intent was never to compare Hinduism and the sort of ideology that obliterated the Zoroastrian Persian civilization.

Only to point out that Hinduism is not necessarily the most benign and tolerant as it is made out to be.

Thank you for your posts of reason. Appreciate it.

Cheers, Doc

 

[salimpheku]

Very true. And I largely agree.

My intent was never to compare Hinduism and the sort of ideology that obliterated the Zoroastrian Persian civilization.

Only to point out that Hinduism is not necessarily the most benign and tolerant as it is made out to be.

Thank you for your posts of reason. Appreciate it.

Cheers, Doc

For once you are spot on.
We Hindus are not tolerant or benign. That's not the debate here.

What's at debate is the level of tolerance. There is difference between how Hindus waged wars and how Mughals did. In victory, Hindus almost never touched the local populace, the Mughals on the other hand......

 

[John Reese]

Very true. And I largely agree.

My intent was never to compare Hinduism and the sort of ideology that obliterated the Zoroastrian Persian civilization.

Only to point out that Hinduism is not necessarily the most benign and tolerant as it is made out to be.

Thank you for your posts of reason. Appreciate it.

Cheers, Doc

I too Agree With you in most of the statement

But Please Analyze Except Hinduism Which Religious culture in world integrated so many culture into one geographical sphere

 

[padamchen]

I too Agree With you in most of the statement

But Please Analyze Except Hinduism Which Religious culture in world integrated so many culture into one geographical sphere

Agree once more.

Cheers, Doc

 

[desimorty]

Let us examine in this thread the history of Buddhism. And its interactions with Hinduism in ancient India. Long before the advent of Islam.

Did Buddhism simply decline and fall out of favor with the people of the subcontinent, in favor of Hinduism, reformed and revitalized?

Did Buddhism fall prey to the same evils it sought to abolish and fight, and become victim to them?

Was Buddhism absorbed and did it morph peacefully into a pan-Dharmic identity under the larger umbrella of Hinduism?

Or was Buddhism systematically persecuted and exterminated to the point of insignificance?

@Tshering22 @SarthakGanguly @Guynextdoor2 @ranjeet @salimpheku

Cheers, Doc

I have a simple answer for you. Solar and moon dynasty aka the war...Mahabarata did not end. Shiavites wiped off the Solar dynasty worship and became premier. Indra, and Bhudda fell out of favor around the same time. Same time the Kushan Empire fell. Same time Islam was born in Suadi Arabia. Coincidence. I don't think so.
Indra is Aryan, Aryans were invited into India by the Harappans, Shiva worshipping Hindus, whom also managed to migrate to other parts of the world after the Indus dried up. Orginally the river Indus may have been one of the river "styx" now its its Ganga. The Shiva followers went to war with the Indra, Bhudda follwers. The Kushans and their history is mostly Indian.
I know their was wars waged between the Kushans and South India. The Kushans were eventually defeated. Around the time the Kushan king Geneshka existed, around the same time after, Hindus worshiped Ganesha the elephant head. Improtantly in Mumbai, perhaps Karachi too. A trade route from China, to the Arabian sea.

Shiva is the question mark? Was he orginally a Harrapan god?
We know from Greek history that the hectacross, and cyclops were Titans or cousins depending on the historian. Whom sided with Zeus, aka Indra. Hectacross, Ravan. Cyclops, Shiva?
Zeus was said to have chased the hectacross to an island with the help of dionysus which is the greek Shiva. But the better record remains with the Ramayan.
According to Greek mythology. Dionysus died fighting the hectacross. Ie his legacy. Dionysus was then born again from Zeus or his male heir and returned with his title. Perhaps around this time, Shiva is dipected with hectacross like symbols like the multiple hands, and faces. Married the female line of Ravan.
Also according to Greek mythology, the Hectacross and Cyclops apperantly had issues with the Hydra or some dragon...i forgot. Which is why they sided with Zeus. The Hydra or Dragon could have been the native population of India whom worship snakes. Nagas, head hunters etc...Tribal people.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I have a simple answer for you. Solar and moon dynasty aka the war...Mahabarata did not end. Shiavites wiped off the Solar dynasty worship and became premier. Indra, and Bhudda fell out of favor around the same time. Same time the Kushan Empire fell. Same time Islam was born in Suadi Arabia. Coincidence. I don't think so.
Indra is Aryan, Aryans were invited into India by the Harappans, Shiva worshipping Hindus, whom also managed to migrate to other parts of the world after the Indus dried up. Orginally the river Indus may have been one of the river "styx" now its its Ganga. The Shiva followers went to war with the Indra, Bhudda follwers. The Kushans and their history is mostly Indian.
I know their was wars waged between the Kushans and South India. The Kushans were eventually defeated. Around the time the Kushan king Geneshka existed, around the same time after, Hindus worshiped Ganesha the elephant head. Improtantly in Mumbai, perhaps Karachi too. A trade route from China, to the Arabian sea.

Shiva is the question mark? Was he orginally a Harrapan god?
We know from Greek history that the hectacross, and cyclops were Titans or cousins depending on the historian. Whom sided with Zeus, aka Indra. Hectacross, Ravan. Cyclops, Shiva?
Zeus was said to have chased the hectacross to an island with the help of dionysus which is the greek Shiva. But the better record remains with the Ramayan.
According to Greek mythology. Dionysus died fighting the hectacross. Ie his legacy. Dionysus was then born again from Zeus or his male heir and returned with his title. Perhaps around this time, Shiva is dipected with hectacross like symbols like the multiple hands, and faces. Married the female line of Ravan.
Also according to Greek mythology, the Hectacross and Cyclops apperantly had issues with the Hydra or some dragon...i forgot. Which is why they sided with Zeus. The Hydra or Dragon could have been the native population of India whom worship snakes. Nagas, head hunters etc...Tribal people.

@padamchen

Doc, this is one of the reasons why I am unlikely ever to return.

 

[takeiteasy]

Many of the old temples in my state Kerala, are either Buddhist or Jain ones before it's all assimilated into Aryan Hinduism. Even the popular Hindu temples like Vadakkunatha temple was once Buddhist. Routinely, excavates Buddhist Stupas, Nannhangadis etc from various parts of West coast (Konkan, Tulunad and Kerala). Brahmins were hardly present even in the first centuries in Kerala. IIRC, what I read is after 6-7th century Aryan Brahmins from the shores of river Sindhu or Indus (Namboodiri/Tulu Brahmins etc) came to the west coast. Hinduism officially considers the castes above Ezhava/Thiyya as the rightfully Hindu, at least in Kerala. Thus, Nairs, Temple related castes, Namboodiri Brahmins, Tulu Brahmins, a minority of Bunts, Gauda Saraswat Brahmins etc are the groups who can rightfully call themselves as Hindus. The rest are the Ezhavas, SC and ST's, who were once considered untouchable. The ugliness which Virat RSS Hindu conveniently don't want to see.

What is Burnol moment for the Bhakts to read is, the Videshi Abrahmic religions were established in Kerala by that time. (I know RSS propaganda by authors like P N Oak etc. But, RSS as usual fails here) Arabs, Greeks and Chinese were trading with Kerala coast by that time. The Mlechcha Videshis - You north Indian fanatic Hindutvavaadi's hate.

 

[padamchen]

@padamchen

Doc, this is one of the reasons why I am unlikely ever to return.

You are deeply missed.

The other option is a saffron swamp with bottom feeding creepy crawlies of dubious origin.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@padamchen

Doc, this is one of the reasons why I am unlikely ever to return.

Thank you for quitting this forum

The other option is a saffron swamp with bottom feeding creepy crawlies of dubious origin.

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